[PVP] Cynabal

[Al Simmons]

To be fair, an Invuln does take 30 seconds to a minute off your cap life while MWDing, depending on if you have the point running as well. A DCU is probably the best solution, though I really like the extra agility and speed of a Nano.

It's tricky trying to run a HAC-type boat without T2 resists tbh.

[Wei Xiao]

To be fair, an Invuln does take 30 seconds to a minute off your cap life while MWDing, depending on if you have the point running as well. A DCU is probably the best solution, though I really like the extra agility and speed of a Nano.

It's tricky trying to run a HAC-type boat without T2 resists tbh.

yeah 1 dcu, 1 nano or full racks of gyro's/te's in low are all reasonable options, it's merely your flying style, whether in solo or gang, your hunting field, etc that choose what to use.

[Podcat]

[quote=Wei Xiao][quote=walrus]

You definitely don't have enough tank on that. Suggest flying a Drake instead.

lol i tried invul II but i didnt like the high cap consumption so i figured another lse II woundt hurt.

[/quote:1ujyx1h9]


ty sir this is quite constructive [/quote:1ujyx1h9]

what he is implying is: why do you have the invuln on when burning and nothing is shooting you.

intigo mode: stop being fucking retarded and think for a second

[Sparkus Volundar]

Thinking back to discussion on the old SHC thread, it seems to me the best options for the 5th mid after Y-T, 2xLSE and long point is a TD or 10MN AB.

A scripted TD uses less cap than an invul and should give more tank vs turret ships (also transferable tank for a buddy if you're not the primary). Whist the AB gives speed-tanking more of a shot as well as a bit more GTFO if a scam lands.

I don't fly a Cynabal though so feel free to flame/lol/whatever.

Sparks

[Wei Xiao]

[quote=Podcat][quote=Wei Xiao]

You definitely don't have enough tank on that. Suggest flying a Drake instead.

lol i tried invul II but i didnt like the high cap consumption so i figured another lse II woundt hurt.

ty sir this is quite constructive [/quote:325c286l]

what he is implying is: why do you have the invuln on when burning and nothing is shooting you.

intigo mode: stop being fucking retarded and think for a second[/quote:325c286l]


you sir are the true fucking retard here: I dont like invuln cuz most of time i need to deal with multiple targets when roaming in solo/small gang so i turn on mwd and neut to get tacklers off me quite frequently which make my cap intense already. It's not like i'm talking shit on paper i did actually fly both setups.

[Helen]

Gratz this has been bad post central, I'm now going to lock until I've scrubbed this thread clean of shit posts (could be a while).

Thread cleaned mostly, Intigo/Wei Xiao/podcat don't be dicks I'm a chill mod but calling each other retarded just makes YOU look retarded. If you have a difference of opinion try and post it with some flair at least.
Seriously don't make me go Hast mode.

podcat I expect better from you dude, your posting is usually pretty good in this section.

Pretty simple rules here.

Don't act like a dick this means no shit posting or baiting.
In the interest of making fits easier to understand for everyone please use figures for All Level 5 in EFT.

Nothing else for now unless someone gives reason.

[Podcat]

podcat I expect better from you dude, your posting is usually pretty good in this section.

damn, hiding under blanket of intigo mode didnt save me i see


Wei, what I was getting at was that in a gang of the size where you want more tank instead of AB an invuln is better. at that gang size you will pretty much never ever have to use a neut because your friends will rape tacklers. For solo its obviously a terrible idea. Although I would argue that flying vagabonds are better for larger gangs like that because of better resists.

[Lex Fasces]

damn, hiding under blanket of intigo mode didnt save me i see

added context:

is the 100mn ab worth it instead of a 10mn ab on a standard dual prop loki boosted snaked maximum faggotry cynabal?

[Daneel Trevize]

How are you going to fit a cap booster, mwd, 100mn AB, guns and shield extenders? I see you can get all but the cap booster on with a T2 RCU/rig and only small neut/nos but don't think that's going to work out. Looks like you'd be left with <25k ehp if you give up an extender.

[Podcat]

its got great escapability though and you dont need the injector. its just for GTFO:ing. I didnt like it much

[Wei Xiao]

podcat I expect better from you dude, your posting is usually pretty good in this section.

damn, hiding under blanket of intigo mode didnt save me i see


Wei, what I was getting at was that in a gang of the size where you want more tank instead of AB an invuln is better. at that gang size you will pretty much never ever have to use a neut because your friends will rape tacklers. For solo its obviously a terrible idea. Although I would argue that flying vagabonds are better for larger gangs like that because of better resists.

Your points are reasonable and I agree. I was back from game not long ago from a 3 years break and trying all kinds of ships and setups that best fit my flying style and senario to get more experiences of the game again. You'll notice that from my kb that i lost too many ships lol.

[Al Simmons]

Wei, what I was getting at was that in a gang of the size where you want more tank instead of AB an invuln is better. at that gang size you will pretty much never ever have to use a neut because your friends will rape tacklers. For solo its obviously a terrible idea. Although I would argue that flying vagabonds are better for larger gangs like that because of better resists.

Vagas, maybe, but the Cynabal has quite a few advantages even in a larger gang; the extra 25m3 drones is really nice, it's a lot easier on the fitting, full rack of 425s and LSEs/Neut etc is easy where on the Vaga you have to downgrade to Regolithic LSEs and shit if you want that. And finally it's a lot more agile and you don't have to waste the rig slots on polys to make it perform. Plus the 5th mid for whatever.

[Gentle Glide]

[Cynabal, Cloaky Nano Faggotry]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Domination Warp Disruptor

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x 5

Someone said it earlier the invul is for when you are running with RR. I basically run the MWD with it off if i gotta run from someone OR run with it on and no MWD if he is slow as fuck (or webbed or something.) Cloak is a protip if you havent been roaming 0.0 in 2011 yet. Domination or RF warp dissy is required for the 30kms. I like the nano for extra agility, i like to play at the ships strengths. I got pulled into a 20 man PL gang chillin on a sling bubble and this setup spun 180 and instawarped, check it out if you dont believe me. Without the drones my vagabond out DPSes this guy and i just couldnt have that.

[Intigo]

Hammerheads - really

[fng]

Need more of those neutless medium drones Cynas

[lazydane]

hammerheads are pointless,, not just cause they suck at anti tackle, but becuase you fly faster than the drones! you'll have trouble recalling them!

[Podcat]

hammerheads are pointless,, not just cause they suck at anti tackle, but becuase you fly faster than the drones! you'll have trouble recalling them!

this. even valks (which at least has enough tracking to kill frigs) are too slow.

[Gentle Glide]

I fly off on my drones often they are there purely for more throwaway DPS

[Intigo]

I fly off on my drones often they are there purely for more throwaway DPS

Good idea.

[Al Simmons]

If you want to throw away your drones, bring two sets of lights rather than one set of mediums, you fucking derp.