Prometheus (quasi-prequel to Alien)

[Ralara]

Y U NO READ

The year of Alien is 2087. The year of Prometheus is 2093.

Is it ever said in Alien what year it is?

Wiki says 2122.

Although unless it states in Alien or the novelisation, it's "the future" and anything based off it (comics, Aliens, Alien 3, games etc) are thrown out in the Prometheus timeline - Prom is before Alien, both are in the future, that's all we know AFAICT.

[cullnean]

Y U NO READ

The year of Alien is 2087. The year of Prometheus is 2093.

Is it ever said in Alien what year it is?

Wiki says 2122.

Although unless it states in Alien or the novelisation, it's "the future" and anything based off it (comics, Aliens, Alien 3, games etc) are thrown out in the Prometheus timeline - Prom is before Alien, both are in the future, that's all we know AFAICT.

correct

[IceBlock]

Y U NO READ

The year of Alien is 2087. The year of Prometheus is 2093.

Is it ever said in Alien what year it is?

Wiki says 2122.

Although unless it states in Alien or the novelisation, it's "the future" and anything based off it (comics, Aliens, Alien 3, games etc) are thrown out in the Prometheus timeline - Prom is before Alien, both are in the future, that's all we know AFAICT.

The year is not stated in Alien, but according to the original script it is 2087. This is on Wikipedia, and is as far as I know the only source that actually citate the quote and is from the movie rather than books and comics. Does the books and comics really follow the original storyline or is it just moneymakin'?

[Krugerrand]

Shall have to go watch this. I saw someone say the 3d is done well but is it worth the extra? (the glasses hurt my ears...)

[Ralara]

Y U NO READ

The year of Alien is 2087. The year of Prometheus is 2093.

Is it ever said in Alien what year it is?

Wiki says 2122.

Although unless it states in Alien or the novelisation, it's "the future" and anything based off it (comics, Aliens, Alien 3, games etc) are thrown out in the Prometheus timeline - Prom is before Alien, both are in the future, that's all we know AFAICT.

The year is not stated in Alien, but according to the original script it is 2087. This is on Wikipedia, and is as far as I know the only source that actually citate the quote and is from the movie rather than books and comics.

Well it's from the shooting script; up until last week I'd have gone along with it without issue but if it's not said in the film directly ... we KNOW prometheus is in the 2090s and we KNOW alien is set after that, so alien must be in the 22nd century some time. :shrug:

Does the books and comics really follow the original storyline or is it just moneymakin'?

Um, well, I've never read the comics but I had a couple of the books. They all seem to follow directly after ALIENS and don't take Alien^3 or resurrection in to account. They just carry on the story of Ripley and her adventures - and Earth gets invaded finally with the remnants of humanity living in orbital habitats in squalor with a couple of tiny "safe zones" on the surface but most of the eco-system including xeno-fish in the ocean and xeno-birds in the skies has been totally destroyed. Grey skies, windy, cold temperatures - with the ecosystem gone, the atmosphere went to shit - Earth is now totally lost.

Then there's Predator 2 which showed in a scene a xeno skull at the back of a trophy cabinet and then the comics started after a load of fannon stuff became popular... the comics also take off from ALIENS but in another direction, tying in the Predator series to it with the Predators breeding them and battling them across the planet and the Space Jockies were a race (with a trunk - the "mask" in Prometheus is their face in the comics and games) which something something but they're also hostile to humanity AND predators. This series gets a little silly as comics tend to do with power creep and stuff but it's better than AvP the movies which... were based off of that, kinda, in their own reality as well.

[helgur]

Just came home from watching this and Scott does not disappoint. Good movie.

Also: I told you so (from my first post ITT).

[Xiang Jiao]

A bit pretentious, from all the hype/marketing I was expecting something that would create/answer questions, it didn't really do it and I was a bit mad.

I was hoping for something that builds on the LV-426 history, but I'm sure I will still enjoy the movie when I watch it. Ralara says it's got tentacles, so it's all good.

[helgur]

A bit pretentious, from all the hype/marketing I was expecting something that would create/answer questions, it didn't really do it and I was a bit mad.

I was hoping for something that builds on the LV-426 history, but I'm sure I will still enjoy the movie when I watch it. Ralara says it's got tentacles, so it's all good.

[Xiang Jiao]

A bit pretentious, from all the hype/marketing I was expecting something that would create/answer questions, it didn't really do it and I was a bit mad.

I was hoping for something that builds on the LV-426 history, but I'm sure I will still enjoy the movie when I watch it. Ralara says it's got tentacles, so it's all good.

Don't you get sick of bananas after a while and desire the satisfaction that only an alien's writhing tentacle can provide?

[F18]

Just back from seeing this. Thoroughly enjoyed it, although, it would have been just as good in 2D TBH. 3D's nice and all but it wasn't really adding to the wow factor for me.

  Spoiler:

The scene at the start. Whats that all about? Lone 'engineer' dude drinks the goo as the ship is taking off. Gets totally obliterated from the inside out. Then his DNA starts to recombine in the water. Whats going on there?

[cullnean]

Just back from seeing this. Thoroughly enjoyed it, although, it would have been just as good in 2D TBH. 3D's nice and all but it wasn't really adding to the wow factor for me.

  Spoiler:

The scene at the start. Whats that all about? Lone 'engineer' dude drinks the goo as the ship is taking off. Gets totally obliterated from the inside out. Then his DNA starts to recombine in the water. Whats going on there?

  Spoiler:

possibly creating human life on earth, which he wasn't meant to do, hence extinction plan?

any one else already good to go for the directors cut?

[IceBlock]

Y U NO READ

The year of Alien is 2087. The year of Prometheus is 2093.

Is it ever said in Alien what year it is?

Wiki says 2122.

Although unless it states in Alien or the novelisation, it's "the future" and anything based off it (comics, Aliens, Alien 3, games etc) are thrown out in the Prometheus timeline - Prom is before Alien, both are in the future, that's all we know AFAICT.

The year is not stated in Alien, but according to the original script it is 2087. This is on Wikipedia, and is as far as I know the only source that actually citate the quote and is from the movie rather than books and comics.

Well it's from the shooting script; up until last week I'd have gone along with it without issue but if it's not said in the film directly ... we KNOW prometheus is in the 2090s and we KNOW alien is set after that, so alien must be in the 22nd century some time. :shrug:

  Spoiler:

Ok I'll play ball. The first space jockey we see drinks the black liquid and disintegrate into the water, thus creating life on Earth. So the black liquid itself is not an alien maker. When David gives Charly one drop of black liquid and alters his DNA, we're not sure what will happen. So the black liquid behaves differently depending on who takes it? Right, then Charly and Dr. Shaw have sex, and Dr. Shaw gets "pregnant" and give birth to a squid vagina. So we see here that there are many processes that has to be true to give birth to a squid vagina (others that have taken the black liquid has turned into something else). This squid vagina seem to create an alien. So did space jockeys kidnap humans, infect them with black liquid, force sexual behaviour and then let themselves get tentacled by the resulting squid vagina?

[cullnean]

spoiler that mate

[Glyken Touchon]

  Spoiler:

Ok I'll play ball. The first space jockey we see drinks the black liquid and disintegrate into the water, thus creating life on Earth. So the black liquid itself is not an alien maker. When David gives Charly one drop of black liquid and alters his DNA, we're not sure what will happen. So the black liquid behaves differently depending on who takes it? Right, then Charly and Dr. Shaw have sex, and Dr. Shaw gets "pregnant" and give birth to a squid vagina. So we see here that there are many processes that has to be true to give birth to a squid vagina (others that have taken the black liquid has turned into something else). This squid vagina seem to create an alien. So did space jockeys kidnap humans, infect them with black liquid, force sexual behaviour and then let themselves get tentacled by the resulting squid vagina?

  Spoiler:

primary infection does A, secondary does B?

Some things that bugged us:

1. despite David being on the survey team to tranlsate stuff, no one asks him what the inscriptions say.
2. why were there 2 captains (Vickers/Janek)? Vickers didn't really have anything to do that couldn't have been done with a tweak to Janek's character (or vice versa). The father/daughter relationship was also pointless.
3. where were the things the jockeys were running away from in the holgrams? corpses or further images in the holos.
4. why did the team focus on the decapitated corpse when there should have been a few others sealed in the chamber?
5. David/Weyland seemed to know a lot more than they were letting on, but with no indication of how that could be so.
6. David seemed to have an inkling of what the black goop would do- how?
7. How did they fail to notice the massive metal irises? they were scanning for metal when they were aboard the prometheus IIRC
8. when the biologist & geologist went missing, why didn't the crew check the suit cameras/audio? You're not telling me that they didn't record the transmissions "Prometheus? are you getting this?" from when they first saw the mutated worms.
9. considering the cost and risk of the expedition, you would have thought that Weyland would have done some form of psychological evaluation to try and ensure people wouldn't freak out?
10. biologist freaks out when there's a dead alien (with some prompting from the geologist), gives the distinct impression that he didn't want to see anything alive (life signs are that way. lets go this way), yet quite happily approaches an unknown creature that looks like a cobra. huh?

Basically, characters seemed poorly written and inconsistent (with the given development).

One of the people I went with didn't know Alien (had seen it, but a loong time ago and didn't remember it), and their opinion was that it didn't stack up as a standalone film.
I was disappointed that they included the xenomorphs, as I seem to recall official statements saying it wouldn't.

I expect the director's cut to clear some stuff up, and the sequel(s) will clear up other stuff.

[helgur]

So David was a robot programmed to be a big troll, or at-least that was the impression I got

  Spoiler:

"Don't touch anything!!!11", -"allrightythen I'll just push this and this and this and this, and bring this black crawly ominous gue and put it in a drink for someone to consume, lolololol"

[Ralara]

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Some things that bugged us:

• despite David being on the survey team to tranlsate stuff, no one asks him what the inscriptions say.
• why were there 2 captains (Vickers/Janek)? Vickers didn't really have anything to do that couldn't have been done with a tweak to Janek's character (or vice versa). The father/daughter relationship was also pointless.
• where were the things the jockeys were running away from in the holgrams? corpses or further images in the holos.
• why did the team focus on the decapitated corpse when there should have been a few others sealed in the chamber?
• David/Weyland seemed to know a lot more than they were letting on, but with no indication of how that could be so.
• David seemed to have an inkling of what the black goop would do- how?
• How did they fail to notice the massive metal irises? they were scanning for metal when they were aboard the prometheus IIRC
• when the biologist & geologist went missing, why didn't the crew check the suit cameras/audio? You're not telling me that they didn't record the transmissions "Prometheus? are you getting this?" from when they first saw the mutated worms.
• considering the cost and risk of the expedition, you would have thought that Weyland would have done some form of psychological evaluation to try and ensure people wouldn't freak out?
• biologist freaks out when there's a dead alien (with some prompting from the geologist), gives the distinct impression that he didn't want to see anything alive (life signs are that way. lets go this way), yet quite happily approaches an unknown creature that looks like a cobra. huh?

Basically, characters seemed poorly written and inconsistent (with the given development).

One of the people I went with didn't know Alien (had seen it, but a loong time ago and didn't remember it), and their opinion was that it didn't stack up as a standalone film.
I was disappointed that they included the xenomorphs, as I seem to recall official statements saying it wouldn't.

I expect the director's cut to clear some stuff up, and the sequel(s) will clear up other stuff.

  Spoiler:

1) The murials started to decompose once they got there - and there wasn't a lot of writing for him to translate? Can't remember
2) Janek was the captain, vickers was the mission commander (think Burke / Gorman in Aliens)
3) Presumably they were alien slime monsters / squid huggers or something - may not register on instruments or something
4) Cos it was decapitated and that's gross
5) Same as Alien - Ash knew - but how? Clearly the Company knows stuff - I mean, they knew there'd be engineers there - Weyland himself came on the mission with that express purpose.
6) He was speaking with SOMEONE with that helmet / face plate thing - wasn't necessarily Weyland, either, cos he could have just visited him in his room. Yutani?
7) metal irises?
8) not sure on this one.
9) well to be fair they weren't expecting what they found... maybe they did? also it'd blow the cover.
10) yeah.. that was teh dumb.

[sarabando]

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i kinda disliked david being bad its over done now even in the alien franchise id much rather it had been the blonde chick being the evil one that was manipulating it and david trying to stop he but we always see him looking like the badguy or catching him in the act and not understanding him.

[Ralara]

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i kinda disliked david being bad its over done now even in the alien franchise id much rather it had been the blonde chick being the evil one that was manipulating it and david trying to stop he but we always see him looking like the badguy or catching him in the act and not understanding him.

to my knowledge, it's been done once in 1979 and once in 2012...

[Daneel Trevize]

I think he means in general. The mid-last-century sci-fi films, HAL9000, etc. Almost every robot pre 3-laws was a threat and then all those ignoring them since, or subverting them.

At least these spoilers had rekindled my interest in seeing this film.

[Lancehot]

Off to see this this evening. Due to this thread I shall be expecting a good film but not go in holding it up to the genre standards of Alien & Aliens. So long as it's better than AvP, I'll be happy (that film was so shit it made Predator 2 look awesome).

As an aside, can someone with more knowledge clear some confusion I have with Alien:

  Spoiler:

When I first saw Alien (I was 5. Don't ask) I'm sure I remember the first guy to die (after the alien is loose on ship, that is) was eaten by what looked like a giant worm thing that pulled him up from the ceiling. Yet when I saw it more recently he died to a regular looking Alien. Am I remembering wrong? Or is this due to a directors cut/remastering/whatever?