[PVP] Megathron Navy Issue

[Daneel Trevize]

True Sansha or Imperial Navy EANMs should still be ~40-45mil. The price of your 3x15mil faction hardeners iirc but you still might need CPU. CBA to EFT this ship again atm, it's just possible to have a monster buffer and/or huge rep + regular plated BS range EHP but will still die to a handful of decent BSs/heavy neuts/drawn out fight with a small BC gang if you're not ferrying it cap boosters. Your non-x-type/officer setup would struggle against just a couple of gank BSs iirc.

[Mr Marram]

It is worth carrying void around for ganking people who do sit still, but nearly any transversal on any ship smaller than a BS and you will miss too many shots to make the extra damage worth it. With the 5s reload its not as bad to change ammo type mid fight now.

[Rania Serlia]

RE: baitfit Nmega. With the improved fittings now afforded by hybrids, you can both drop one algid rig and fit a medium neut(by dropping to named disruptors). This also allows for an ambit to increase projection a bit.

[Megathron Navy Issue, bait mk2]
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Faint Warp Disruptor I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
Quad LiF Fueled Booster Rockets

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Large Hybrid Ambit Extension I
Large Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I


Berserker II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

911/1009 dps with navy antimatter, 18s/12.2s align, 760/1086 m/s top speed, 207,696 ehp.

[Daneel Trevize]

For other kinds of buffer, see:
[Megathron Navy Issue, what if buffer fit cheaper]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer

Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Domination Warp Scrambler
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Corpum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
Damage Control II
Corpum A-Type Energized Magnetic Membrane
Corpum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5

378k EHP with Slaves but before links. 1100dps overheated.

Couple of bil isk more, maxed links, 553k EHP.
[Megathron Navy Issue, what if buffer fit]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer

Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Domination Warp Scrambler
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Corelum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
Damage Control II
Corpum A-Type Energized Magnetic Membrane
Corelum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II


Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5

[Lex Fasces]

[Megathron Navy Issue, what if buffer fit]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5


400k ehp with lg slaves and legion links....

thats a lot of isk to pump into something for 150k more ehp =)

[Daneel Trevize]

I'm seeing nearer 357k with LGs, 381k heating the explo hardener. Meh, it was a what-if anyway

Wait, all figures I gave were with T1 links, not newer T2 ones.

[Cue1*]

For the price of that ship, put IN EANMs on it at the very least.

[Daneel Trevize]

TS, unless you like paying twice the odds :P

[LordsServant]

[Megathron Navy Issue, all aboard the mantrain]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Heavy Nosferatu II

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Ogre II x5
Warrior II x10

Another setup in my manly series. 1765 dps (same as vanilla mega) however, this has backup drone space for moar heavies, or lights for frig defense. Also, it has the most hull hp of any non-capital excepting orca; therefore it's p. awesome for this setup (74k ehp) =D

Oh, and as a bonus, another setup.


[Megathron Navy Issue, haxsploits]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

ECCM - Magnetometric II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Nosferatu II

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x5
Valkyrie II x5

At first glance, setup might look terribru to you, and tbh it might be slightly open to improvement; however, its very hard to figure it out.

That ship is in fact active tanked. How might you ask? Through exploits =D

It hasn't been confirmed as an exploit by CCP, probably due to the fact that almost noone knows about it, and those of us that did/do didn't want to let the game up.

Basically, when you're in gang with someone with the armored warfare leadership bonus, you get 10% more raw armor HP from their gang bonuses. That is instantly applied to your armor HP when you enter gang, or when you move into an applicable squad with proper bonuses.

I haven't tried this recently, but you used to be able to do the following.

1) be in fleet, receiving bonuses
2) change squad, lose bonuses.
3) go back to original squad, regain bonuses.
-here is where the magic happens - if you're BELOW that % more armor line, you regain all your armor back up to that % with bonuses.
4) watch ur armor magically regen as if active tanked.
5) rinse, repeat.

With armor mindlink bonuses, you get 15% bonus to armor HP, and with lvl 5 Erebus in that position, you get 37.5% more raw armor HP.

This was just a theorycraft fit for subcaps. I originally used this on supers, it works really well. I've never needed to use it in a pvp situation, but I can point to one situation where I believe it might have been used, possibly inadvertently.

When NCdawt was fighting IT waaay back, and lost all those supers, I believe that they were cycling gang bonuses to try to keep a few of them alive. I remember there was an aeon that generated a KM, despite getting out in apparently extremely low armor/hull. I once saved a ratting capital via manipulation of bonuses this way once, and it did indeed generate a wreck/lossmail. That's proof enough for me that they were using this concept (altho I never saw it mentioned when I was in NCdawt, a few months after this event, so they might've done it unintentionally) =D

I haven't tested it recently(<2 months), and without an erebus it's very tricky to do(max of only 15% bonus with a mindlink, thus the large hull buffer allowance I give on this mega), but I believe it's still possible(probably still useful on caps).

Enjoy it while it lasts gentlemen, I think its about time CCP nerfed this. =D

[Cue1*]

When NCdawt was fighting IT waaay back, and lost all those supers, I believe that they were cycling gang bonuses to try to keep a few of them alive. I remember there was an aeon that generated a KM, despite getting out in apparently extremely low armor/hull. I once saved a ratting capital via manipulation of bonuses this way once, and it did indeed generate a wreck/lossmail. That's proof enough for me that they were using this concept (altho I never saw it mentioned when I was in NCdawt, a few months after this event, so they might've done it unintentionally) =D

http://reikoku.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_...kll_id=8015141

That the one you're talking about? I'd like to know about how it works in a bit more detail. I understand the principle, but why does it generate a killmail? More specifically, does it help one escape in some way other than extra HP? I know for a fact that that Aeon stayed bubbled amazingly well, since I was watching him the entire time. Obviously easy to chalk up to lag, but the fact that Aeon escaped always made me wonder.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

When NCdawt was fighting IT waaay back, and lost all those supers, I believe that they were cycling gang bonuses to try to keep a few of them alive. I remember there was an aeon that generated a KM, despite getting out in apparently extremely low armor/hull. I once saved a ratting capital via manipulation of bonuses this way once, and it did indeed generate a wreck/lossmail. That's proof enough for me that they were using this concept (altho I never saw it mentioned when I was in NCdawt, a few months after this event, so they might've done it unintentionally) =D

http://reikoku.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_...kll_id=8015141

That the one you're talking about? I'd like to know about how it works in a bit more detail. I understand the principle, but why does it generate a killmail? More specifically, does it help one escape in some way other than extra HP? I know for a fact that that Aeon stayed bubbled amazingly well, since I was watching him the entire time. Obviously easy to chalk up to lag, but the fact that Aeon escaped always made me wonder.

I too would like to know more?

Something about killing the ship by taking away the bonus and then restoring it before lag catches up?

[Varcaus]

So it looks Like decided that reciveing gang bonus gives you + (gang bonus amount) as a rep and Max hp increase instead of only repped when at full hp.

[Daneel Trevize]

For a cheap blasters + scram + active tank dual injected fit:
MWD & large smarty, or AB and heavy Nos? Or heavy neut.

[Lex Fasces]

mwd smartbomb.

gets rid of ecm drones etc

[Daneel Trevize]

I think I'm going with the smarty (served me well so far, except that time I hit the billboard), but do I go MWD or AB? With no neut to deal with close-enough recons/weak cap tacklers, do I want to slowboat a bit better than with nothing unless webbed, or gamble on getting a good mwd cycle off before being effectively without prop mod? If I'm not GCCing, light tacklers should be dealt with by gate guns, anything heavier by my guns, right? And arazus/rapiers... well I'd best decloak before them and get moving, else don't engage/get off gate/station?

[Daneel Trevize]

Arg, can't decide, all are ~400mil fitting for what was at one point a ~400mil hull:

[Megathron Navy Issue, 4k tank dps]

True Sansha Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer

Shadow Serpentis 100MN Microwarpdrive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Large 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I

~4k tank, ~1050 dps, pretty straight-up no tricks brawler.


[Megathron Navy Issue, Triple rep?! cheap mids]

Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Damage Control II
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer

Shadow Serpentis 100MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Large 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Anti-EM Pump I

~5k tank, ~900 dps, same price. Passive b-type kin & therm membranes also an option, for ~150 less tank. Fundamentally as good a tank as any multi-bil faction/pirate BS, just far less damage application.


[Megathron Navy Issue, Triple rep?! AB h nos passive (em hole?)]

Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Corpum B-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Damage Control II
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpum B-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer

Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I

>5.1k tank, <900dps, but potential to apply it better with AB to control transv? Total station/gate-hugging fag fit really.


For all, drones probably 5 heavies (without a web, not sure about orges) then 5 warriors, 5 ec-300s, or 5 mediums(dps or ecm)?

[Daneel Trevize]

Update: for triple rep fit in lowsec, I say fit the EM resist rig (it's still 2nd weakest after explosive), and always Nos around stations rather than smarty. I expect cap life is key should I ever have to fully open the tank up. And pirates do like their slaved laser BSs & Harbs apparently.
So far I've:
Tanked a Mega, HAM Legion and HAM drake with 1 unheated undrugged repper + AB. Only stopped fighting early to loot the no-prop drake of a faction LSE and painter. AB did save me from being hugely bumped by the legion.
Tanked a Navy Scorp while being hit by it & a full neut domi so much that my hardeners turned off at one point (I think in just 2 cycles, ~30secs). But I wasn't using drugs and was being bad, probably could have taken the domi down if I was sure it was just the 2 of them and I'd tried to keep my cap up from the start, or gone with passive hardeners, or time the reps and used heat for max efficiency.
Tanked 6 armour/RR BSs for several minutes . With an average of 1 drugged repper running at most, used like 5-8 cap boosters total and that was more than needed. They did push me to 50% armour quite quickly occasionally but I literally spent most of the fight complaining I was tanking them too much and fearing they would bail or switch even when I let them push me down to ~1/3 armour. Navy Geddon damped me while sitting at point blank. Abaddon got to 1/2 armour before docking. If they'd stuck to gank & neut fits I'd have died for sure.

Must lose these hulls and a Vindi before they're made so fucking ugly
P.S. they dipped back under 390mil for the hulls.

[Varcaus]

P.S. Its barely changed you big baby. You were losing the last fit i guess?

[Daneel Trevize]

If you mean the price, I'm talking w.r.t. the last year, it had peaked much higher in the summer (550mil, the navy Domi even more so), and right now I think it's being deflated by the fallout from the last great FW LP cashout.
I was using something similar to the last fit, but active hardeners, ab, h nos, em rig. Also no ec300s but a 6th ogre and flight of light dps drones (to chase bombers or distant recons/tier3s I guess, maybe mediums would be better, depends if one can rely on sentries to switch to bombers if there's enough others going GCC - dat torp volley).

[Lady Spank]

ec300s for shame