You see, gallente frigates are noted for their unpopularity and for being underpowered.Originally Posted by Marlona Sky
You see, gallente frigates are noted for their unpopularity and for being underpowered.
Let's start a party of our own
Well in fairness, the Stiletto is clearly better than the Ares...You see, gallente frigates are noted for their unpopularity and for being underpowered.
Ishkur gonna rape w00t w00t?
I'm still not impressed by the new Retribution. Seems decent all-around but not all that impressive and it's still going to have fitting problems.
Since we are doing this can we please swap the wolf/jag optimal/falloff bonuses...
Marlona, I personally cannot use T2 Blasters nor Gallente AFs (I am a scrubSounds like a challenge to me. Your bringing Gallente and I'm in a Minmitar ship right?You really do know nothing about PvP....), but I know enough good PvPers, both in corp and elsewhere who I have fought with and against on numerous occasions, to know that Gallente Frigates are no joke when it comes to PvP.
However, it is painfully obvious that hybrid AFs gain much more from these set of buffs than Minmatar, with the exception of the Ishkur (tank goes up, yay \o/) - Enyo gets the ability to dictate range whilst the Harpy gets obscene amounts of DPS. Minmatar get...more tracking?
Can we swap the optimal range bonus on the Ishkur and Enyo to RoF bonus too.
All four races frigate and cruiser to V checking in.You really do know nothing about PvP....
well, the -50%mwd bloom practically means you have (almost) as much (sig/speed) as you do with an AB:
plated wolf: 33m / 411m/s = 0.0803
with ab: 33m / 901m/s = 0.0366
with mwd (+500% bloom): 198m / 2354m/s = 0.0841
with mwd (+250% bloom): 115.5m / 2354m/s = 0.0491
okok not quite; the +500% means 6x times the sig.
but halving the +500% leaves you with +250%, which is 3.5x, not 3x -.-
regardless:
scramble+web that wolf and it'll go 164m/s, which still remains to be a feast for BS.
a taranis is left with ~260m/s in such a situation. subtract typical bs' sub-mwd speed and you'll see that inties have little to fear; AFs still need to dual prop to achieve similar results.
(... but ofc webs still stack...)
Jag has the ultimate range control.
Enyo while having the most *potential* dps, has the weakest tank and tightest fitting.
If you want monster Enyo dps, you have really no tank or resists.
If you want a decent Enyo tank, you really gimp your damage output/range a fair bit.
Can we swap the optimal range bonus on the Ishkur and Enyo to RoF bonus too.
@Roemy
Any of these ships that coast into web range via MWD will have very little problem staying in tight orbit. They're pretty hard to hit
Just ask my Thorax which got eaten by a couple of MWD fit AFs. Could not hit shit.
Last edited by prometheus; December 22 2011 at 10:06:57 PM.
Well, shit, I guess I'm a pvp expert too.
Who knew it would be so easy./
Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.
"You give me the awful impression - I hate to have to say - of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position. Ever."
right... define 'a couple'Jag has the ultimate range control.
Enyo while having the most *potential* dps, has the weakest tank and tightest fitting.
If you want monster Enyo dps, you have really no tank or resists.
If you want a decent Enyo tank, you really gimp your damage output/range a fair bit.
Can we swap the optimal range bonus on the Ishkur and Enyo to RoF bonus too.
@Roemy
Any of these ships that coast into web range via MWD will have very little problem staying in tight orbit. They're pretty hard to hit
Just ask my Thorax which got eaten by a couple of MWD fit AFs. Could not hit shit.
a max of 25% or 37.5% reduction in the speed reduction of webs is hardly "unkillable" wouldnt result in what happened last year with nano jags owning everythingBecause then nothing can kill them in web/scram range if piloted correctly. AFs are already a bitch to get rid of when they're in a stable orbit.
So your next whining post can be like "BLASTERS GOT NO RANGE SO USELESSCan we swap the optimal range bonus on the Ishkur and Enyo to RoF bonus too.
Wolf + Ishkur.
I was using a Heavy Electron Thorax with web, scram, & synth drop. My drones were shredded, and turrets missed.
Standard or Improved Drop would have changed the outcome, but that wouldn't have mattered if they had afterburners fit. Nevermind speed bonused afterburners.
These changes live yet on SiSi yet?
I guess I could run some EFT warrior shit when I get home, but I'm pretty fucking sure the performance difference between a small blaster running short range ammo with no optimal range bonus vs. one with. Like what, 500 meters??? LMFAOSo your next whining post can be like "BLASTERS GOT NO RANGE SO USELESSCan we swap the optimal range bonus on the Ishkur and Enyo to RoF bonus too.
Seriously give it a useful bonus besides optimal and falloff.
Last edited by Marlona Sky; December 22 2011 at 11:05:21 PM.
This is what it looks like with a 3 blasters (dps match as good as i can with eft *2 off*) on a veng (no bonus), enyo (1 bonus), and harpy (2 bonuses).
On the frigate scale, that small amount adds up significantly. And no, the changes were just leaked through Chaos, they aren't on Sisi.
*this is current ship stats, not including the damage changes or anything else mentioned in this thread.
dual prop, scram, web, td hawk. fit isn't even that tight.
Aren't we all self proclaimed experts?Well, shit, I guess I'm a pvp expert too.
Who knew it would be so easy./
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