I'm still not impressed by the new Retribution. Seems decent all-around but not all that impressive and it's still going to have fitting problems.
Since we are doing this can we please swap the wolf/jag optimal/falloff bonuses...
However, it is painfully obvious that hybrid AFs gain much more from these set of buffs than Minmatar, with the exception of the Ishkur (tank goes up, yay \o/) - Enyo gets the ability to dictate range whilst the Harpy gets obscene amounts of DPS. Minmatar get...more tracking?
well, the -50%mwd bloom practically means you have (almost) as much (sig/speed) as you do with an AB:
plated wolf: 33m / 411m/s = 0.0803
with ab: 33m / 901m/s = 0.0366
with mwd (+500% bloom): 198m / 2354m/s = 0.0841
with mwd (+250% bloom): 115.5m / 2354m/s = 0.0491
okok not quite; the +500% means 6x times the sig.
but halving the +500% leaves you with +250%, which is 3.5x, not 3x -.-
scramble+web that wolf and it'll go 164m/s, which still remains to be a feast for BS.
a taranis is left with ~260m/s in such a situation. subtract typical bs' sub-mwd speed and you'll see that inties have little to fear; AFs still need to dual prop to achieve similar results.
(... but ofc webs still stack...)
Jag has the ultimate range control.
Enyo while having the most *potential* dps, has the weakest tank and tightest fitting.
If you want monster Enyo dps, you have really no tank or resists.
If you want a decent Enyo tank, you really gimp your damage output/range a fair bit.
Any of these ships that coast into web range via MWD will have very little problem staying in tight orbit. They're pretty hard to hit
Just ask my Thorax which got eaten by a couple of MWD fit AFs. Could not hit shit.
Wolf + Ishkur.
I was using a Heavy Electron Thorax with web, scram, & synth drop. My drones were shredded, and turrets missed.
Standard or Improved Drop would have changed the outcome, but that wouldn't have mattered if they had afterburners fit. Nevermind speed bonused afterburners.
Seriously give it a useful bonus besides optimal and falloff.
Last edited by Marlona Sky; December 22 2011 at 11:05:21 PM.
This is what it looks like with a 3 blasters (dps match as good as i can with eft *2 off*) on a veng (no bonus), enyo (1 bonus), and harpy (2 bonuses).
On the frigate scale, that small amount adds up significantly. And no, the changes were just leaked through Chaos, they aren't on Sisi.
*this is current ship stats, not including the damage changes or anything else mentioned in this thread.