[PVP] Phoenix

[Stige]

I remember years ago seeing a vid of someone one-shotting BS in a Phoenix outside stations with a target painting alt but is this viable anymore? It seems to be rather impossible to get a BS sig even past 1000 with painters.

Would a Moros possibly do a better job at this?

Maybe painters didnt have diminishings back then or something? No idea.

OT: Not sure if this belongs to here or Piloting in practice.

Don't pose fucking questions in a thread title dick head, do you see any other thread titles with questions in them? No you prick you don't. - Helen

[Mfume]

I remember years ago seeing a vid of someone one-shotting BS in a Phoenix outside stations with a target painting alt but is this viable anymore? It seems to be rather impossible to get a BS sig even past 1000 with painters.

Would a Moros possibly do a better job at this?

Maybe painters didnt have diminishings back then or something? No idea.

OT: Not sure if this belongs to here or Piloting in practice.

it was double 90% webs too

edit: this vid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj5Y7hsIUYI

[CastleBravo]

IIRC, citadel torps used to be 1000m explosion radius.

[RoemySchneider]

tier3 BS are (way) beyond 400m sig.

bellicose(-hull) painters buff that by ~50%. more with a link proteus/eos ofc (to +66.9% to be exact)

four of those vs a double-extended maelstrom (=510m) results in a 2212m sig
only 3 of such painters required if the mael were to bring shield rigs as well (=575m -> 2097m)

also: note, that [standard] crash boosters help citadel missiles, too



best case scenario:
- standard crash (1600m explo radius)
- 2 extenders + 3 rigs on the mael (575m sig)
- 4x 'perfect' bellicose T2 painters (-> 2494m sig on the mael)

refined missile dmg reduction formula (i ditched the stuff that gets cancelled out, like DRF or the min() function):

explovel/explorad * signature/speed
yep, that's all that's left (for this special case!!! special in that DRF is exactly 5.5).
we want this 'entire' thing to be bigger than 1. so how fast is the mael allowed to go so we can hit it for full dmg?
1 < 12/ 1600 * 2494 / x
1 < 18.705 / x
1 > x / 18.705
18.705 > x

web it to less than 18.705m/s and you'll hit for full dmg. (140k for 5x bcu and named launchers)
considering i haven't encountered a BS with afterburners in 4+ years, three 'standard' T2 webs suffice. throw in a forth if he's turning on his MWD and gets bonus from his acceleration control skill.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

A more interesting question is how much damage is needed to actually Alpha a typical battleship.

Obviously this works MUCH better on shield BS in general, but most BS don't have 140k EHP either.

If you wanted to specifically set a phoenix or nag up to do that, you could also use missile rigs to reduce the explosion velocity.

[OrangeAfroMan]

The velocity part is funny because 99% of EvE players don't know how to pilot their own ships. Most of the people this would be working against are either your average alliance level retard or station/stargate gamers and they'll all likely be moving at 0m/s.

[Stige]

The velocity part is funny because 99% of EvE players don't know how to pilot their own ships. Most of the people this would be working against are either your average alliance level retard or station/stargate gamers and they'll all likely be moving at 0m/s.

This is so true, had a fine example from a Megathron today but it took me 2 volleys to kill him (Plated)

Is EFT over-exaggarating the penalties on painters or why cant I get the sig to even 1000 on a BS?
Or Roemy just didnt calculate with diminishing returns at all.

But didnt know Crash Boosters work for that + rigs too, guess you can get the explo radius pretty low on the Citadel Torps with those.

[RoemySchneider]

those painters were backed up by one of those 'new' T2-link-proteus - well, and the bellicose bonus : +66.9%
4x of those - including penalty - and i get ... +333.73% (read: more than 4 times the size)
-- edit: i did make a tiny mistake though.... i just realized my 'manual' all-V character had the painting spec skill to only IV. so the truly perfect T2 painter would yield 69.69% and 4x of them result in +355.91%

and i used a Ti3 BS which all are considerably larger than their older siblings.
and i threw in 2 extenders and 3 shield rigs

[Helen]

Jesus titty fucking christ you pissed me off Stige.
Congrats have another infraction.

[LordsServant]

Jesus titty fucking christ you pissed me off Stige.
Congrats have another infraction.

u mod brah? =D

Also, I think I just found my next "Lord's Epic Lulz" hotdropping ship - phoenix's are dirt cheap and I can drop em on ANYTHING =D (and my avatar alt won't have an avatar for a bit, and can already fly these phoenixes just fine)


[Phoenix, LOLWAT]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Capital Shield Booster I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Rajas Citadel Cruise Missile
Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Rajas Citadel Cruise Missile
Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Rajas Citadel Cruise Missile
Siege Module I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Any ideas to improve the fit? Assuming the whole "TP thing" works - I'll roll one of those info links on my legion or w/e alongside a rapier/hyena for dropping. Should be interesting to see....

-Lords

[RoemySchneider]

Jesus titty fucking christ you pissed me off Stige.
Congrats have another infraction.

to be fair... this fred was moved from somewhere else and that mod prolly just slapped [pvp] in fron tof the title.....

[Tyrus Tenebros]

why cruise missiles? You lose like 50k Alpha for a pretty minor increase to your ability to hit targets.

[Stige]

Jesus titty fucking christ you pissed me off Stige.
Congrats have another infraction.

to be fair... this fred was moved from somewhere else and that mod prolly just slapped [pvp] in fron tof the title.....

Nah I posted this here cause I wasnt sure if it belongs here or in Piloting in Practice, and as it wasnt really about FITTINGS for the ship I didnt post it like it said in the rules and now the dude with sand in his vagina is here.

Making up his own "rules" as he goes... Maybe I ganked him somewhere or something and he is supermad at me!

So move this to Piloting in practice and restore the topic like it was.

[Sponk]

why cruise missiles? You lose like 50k Alpha for a pretty minor increase to your ability to hit targets.

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

[Helen]

Jesus titty fucking christ you pissed me off Stige.
Congrats have another infraction.

to be fair... this fred was moved from somewhere else and that mod prolly just slapped [pvp] in fron tof the title.....

Nah I posted this here cause I wasnt sure if it belongs here or in Piloting in Practice, and as it wasnt really about FITTINGS for the ship I didnt post it like it said in the rules and now the dude with sand in his vagina is here.

Making up his own "rules" as he goes... Maybe I ganked him somewhere or something and he is supermad at me!

So move this to Piloting in practice and restore the topic like it was.

I doubt you ganked me anywhere it was more to do with you being a retard, also as I'm actually a moderator I DO GET TO MAKE THE RULES!

Have another week off from FHC clearly the first week didn't improve your posting ability.

[Helen]

Stige was banned for a further two weeks because of the Hast Protocol.

[Sponk]

Does a non-terrible Phoenix fit exist?

[Lana Torrin]

Does a non-terrible Phoenix fit exist?

Define non-terrible.. If you just want big a fuck off missile launcher you can dump on a POS and fuck it over, then yes you can get a fit to work quite well for that. If you want one that can fight other caps, then not so much but its possible.. If you want one that can be used well in a fleet fight.. Not really.

[Sponk]

What deficiencies in the Phoenix are apparent in fleet fights, compared to other dreads, even the Nag seems to have better reputation.

[Zeekar]

Flight time of missiles. It actually is a serious fucking handicap.

POS reffing duty probably something like this:


[Phoenix, Phoenix 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Capital Shield Booster I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Siege Module II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

For hotdrops and anti cap warfare, can take 2 dds from exp and em and very easy take 1 from kin and thermal, sick alpha somewhat limited range, so in some cases it might be better to go with cruises but the dps drop is substantial, also shit scan res:


[Phoenix, Phoenix 2]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Explosive Deflection Field II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Torpedo
Siege Module II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I