Russian civil war

[Itiken]

As MM/RzR proved. there is a difference between being rich and having loads of supers, and not being massively risk averse faggots who blueballs without at least a 50:1 advantage.

[whispous]

As MM/RzR proved. there is a difference between being rich and having loads of supers, and not being massively risk averse faggots who blueballs without at least a 50:1 advantage.

Don't forget that with the NC, the actual troops never saw any of the isk they defended - therefore lower supercap ownership

[Helen]

This is much funnier if you know the guys behind this.

Explain?

In all seriousness to explain the politics and players in the russian drone scene let alone the rest of the "russian aligned alliances" would take fucking years to write down and still probably be no where near concise enough to deal with all the real politik that goes on. I'll be fucked if I'm writing an essay on what the deal is.

Ok, but can someone tell me who'll win this?

And is it only Solar vs. XdeathX?

If it continues for much longer it will probably draw in other alliances as they all have interests in keeping certain groups in play.
As for who will win you might as well flip a coin.

[filingo]

This is much funnier if you know the guys behind this.

Explain?

In all seriousness to explain the politics and players in the russian drone scene let alone the rest of the "russian aligned alliances" would take fucking years to write down and still probably be no where near concise enough to deal with all the real politik that goes on. I'll be fucked if I'm writing an essay on what the deal is.

Ok, but can someone tell me who'll win this?

And is it only Solar vs. XdeathX?

(hint : white noise and solar have some very close ties)

[Lowa [NSN]]

Its been too long since the forums spilled over with over heated semi-translated russian forum porn and back stabs with more twists than a slinky!
I want this. Badly.

[indeterminacy]

As MM/RzR proved. there is a difference between being rich and having loads of supers, and not being massively risk averse faggots who blueballs without at least a 50:1 advantage.

Don't forget that with the NC, the actual troops never saw any of the isk they defended - therefore lower supercap ownership

I know. It sucked. None of the old NC alliances had ship reimbursement and supercap sponsorship programs.

Anyway, it's pretty clear that several non-RUS entities are already deploying to be in position for whatever is about to happen. TEST+PL deployed to Curse this weekend and, while TEST have been pretty hilarious to pew there are a few too many of them and PL dropping supers + titans on station to kill alphastarpilot in a battlecruiser is something I can do without tbh.

Hurry and kick this thing off so these douches leave.

[depili]

Things seem to be heating up little by little, going by the X.I.X. killboard solar has taken down at least one X.I.X. tower and on separate occasion lost 3 carriers to X.I.X. Hopefully the week end will see us some major fights.

[E T]

[cheeba]

Knowing how long these alliances have been shitting out supercaps from their assembly lines, if this is real fighting for sov, there could be some hilarious supercap brawls coming up... last I faced Solar Fleet as a NC (without dot) grunt, almost two years ago and even back then they were quite happy to drop bunch of supercarriers and titans on anything that moved.

I was under the impression that most of the russian supercap fleets merged into white noise as they went from a minor player in venal to fielding ~100 supercarriers in a single fleet in about a month.

18 months of botted broken drone sanctums plus barely any losses worth mentioning means that they had an absolutely astronomical mineral supply (They still have, really). Add in the fact that no one could be arsed to so much as pretend to dick with their CSAAs, and you have a recipe for unfeasible supercap numbers.

to be honest, the limiting factor in how many supcaps they field isnt their ability to have the hulls, but rather have enough pilots to actually fly them!

[cheeba]

As MM/RzR proved. there is a difference between being rich and having loads of supers, and not being massively risk averse faggots who blueballs without at least a 50:1 advantage.

Don't forget that with the NC, the actual troops never saw any of the isk they defended - therefore lower supercap ownership

also, just want to call a quick bullshit. as an MM CEO i handed out free supers to members who had served the corp well. The rest of the isk went to providing fitted t2 ships and abaddons for free. Cant talk for all corps, but tar us all with the same shitty brush.

[Jarnis]

As MM/RzR proved. there is a difference between being rich and having loads of supers, and not being massively risk averse faggots who blueballs without at least a 50:1 advantage.

Don't forget that with the NC, the actual troops never saw any of the isk they defended - therefore lower supercap ownership

also, just want to call a quick bullshit. as an MM CEO i handed out free supers to members who had served the corp well. The rest of the isk went to providing fitted t2 ships and abaddons for free. Cant talk for all corps, but tar us all with the same shitty brush.

Confirming as an ex-Razor grunt that at least back in 2009, all losses of properly fitted ships (adhering to the posted fits and flown as requested by FC) were covered. Including caps and T2 ships (well, dictors and logis). All cap fuel was also supplied. Considering how the FCing sometimes went, that was probably the only way they got people to fleet up. Still, it ensured that one could do large scale fleet PvP in 0.0 at effectively zero cost and that was all paid by the moon goo. Does it mean that the top brass didn't milk the moon goo to their own pockets? Of course not, but the grunts were kept shipped out of the moon goo reserves.

Supers... were "above my pay grade". I would imagine that over time, had I wanted one, I could have got one. However, back then I'd imagine that most of the supers off the assembly line went to directors and other connected people and there just wasn't enough supply to do a concentrated effort to get "rank and file" into supercaps.

These days... well... I unsubbed when the dominion lag monster made fleet fights retarded and haven't been active in 0.0 for over a year, so I don't know. I guess I'll look into dipping back in once time dilation stuff is cluster-wide and confirmed to make large fights non-retarded.

[depili]

The Official Statement from Legion of xXDEATHXx of the 8th of Dec 2011.

There will be a standings reset between Legion of Death and Solar Fleet right after downtime.

This tough decision came as a result of all diplomatic attempts, towards our old neighbour Solar Fleet, failed. Drone Regions are no longer the quiet corner of the universe - a war begins now. Not only the ingame war, but political and propaganda warfare: there are already articles on forums, there was a DDoS attack on our services for the past several hours, our Teamspeak, utilities and billing system.

Alliance Legion of Death is now mobilizing forces to fend off the aggressors and to protect what Drone Regions stood for since the begining.

From a reliable source, should also be posted somewhere public but way too tired atm to find out where.

[ROX Genghis]

The Official Statement from Legion of xXDEATHXx of the 8th of Dec 2011.

Alliance Legion of Death is now mobilizing forces to fend off the aggressors and to protect what Drone Regions stood for since the begining.

Botting, Cap Production, and RMT?

[Takon Orlani]

The Official Statement from Legion of xXDEATHXx of the 8th of Dec 2011.

Alliance Legion of Death is now mobilizing forces to fend off the aggressors and to protect what Drone Regions stood for since the begining.

Botting, Cap Production, and RMT?

[Nordstern]

As MM/RzR proved. there is a difference between being rich and having loads of supers, and not being massively risk averse faggots who blueballs without at least a 50:1 advantage.

Don't forget that with the NC, the actual troops never saw any of the isk they defended - therefore lower supercap ownership

also, just want to call a quick bullshit. as an MM CEO i handed out free supers to members who had served the corp well. The rest of the isk went to providing fitted t2 ships and abaddons for free. Cant talk for all corps, but tar us all with the same shitty brush.

Confirming as an ex-Razor grunt that at least back in 2009, all losses of properly fitted ships (adhering to the posted fits and flown as requested by FC) were covered. Including caps and T2 ships (well, dictors and logis). All cap fuel was also supplied. Considering how the FCing sometimes went, that was probably the only way they got people to fleet up. Still, it ensured that one could do large scale fleet PvP in 0.0 at effectively zero cost and that was all paid by the moon goo. Does it mean that the top brass didn't milk the moon goo to their own pockets? Of course not, but the grunts were kept shipped out of the moon goo reserves.

Supers... were "above my pay grade". I would imagine that over time, had I wanted one, I could have got one. However, back then I'd imagine that most of the supers off the assembly line went to directors and other connected people and there just wasn't enough supply to do a concentrated effort to get "rank and file" into supercaps.

These days... well... I unsubbed when the dominion lag monster made fleet fights retarded and haven't been active in 0.0 for over a year, so I don't know. I guess I'll look into dipping back in once time dilation stuff is cluster-wide and confirmed to make large fights non-retarded.

Also confirming as a former Mostly Harmless pilot that MH did indeed reimburse caps, BS, and eventually dictors.

there was a DDoS attack on our services for the past several hours, our Teamspeak, utilities and billing system.

Do you want to know more?

[X] Yes
[ ] No

[depili]

there was a DDoS attack on our services for the past several hours, our Teamspeak, utilities and billing system.

Do you want to know more?

[X] Yes
[ ] No

The billing system probably refers to some automated renter payment system, as legion of death has about half of the eve players renting space from them.

[smurphy1]

Word from other forums that Solar Fleet has been reinforcing an Xdeath station and is set to come out of final timer today. Based on killboards I believe this is the 4AZV-W station in outer passage.



Fights going down: http://killboard.solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=937921

[depili]

At this time that BR seems very even on the isk losses, with legion side losing way more ships but solar whelping t3's, seems like the solar side won as there aren't any SBU killmails there.

[smurphy1]

They are sieging 4AZV-W a few jumps over. Whats interesting is the number of Legion vs the number of Solar Fleet guys. Total sizes are about equal but Legion was full of pets and renters while solar was mostly Solar Fleet with a few more from other places.

[depili]

They are sieging 4AZV-W a few jumps over. Whats interesting is the number of Legion vs the number of Solar Fleet guys. Total sizes are about equal but Legion was full of pets and renters while solar was mostly Solar Fleet with a few more from other places.

Yeah, the legion side's fleet comp looks NCish in that they seem to have brought everyone even half willing in, if the core legion numbers won't improve I don't think this will last too long as renters and pets aren't known of their battle endurance and will to alarm clock each night like the hard core Russians seem to do all the time.

Edit: Any guesses on who legion is going to batphone in first?