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    [PvP] Tornado

    I've been looking at this, and it's basicly a mini-mach with a lack of tank and low's. I can't decide if the invul is worth it, or i should put something else in there. Also, i'm wondering if they are worth to solo in, because the lack of drones / utility highs. You can basicly be soloed by a dram even after the nerf (If you are bad and get caught =D).

    I imagine engaging canes and kiting them at 20k, while melting them (hopefully), and maybe drakes as well.

    [Tornado, New Setup 1]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Disruptor II
    Invulnerability Field II

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Stats:
    781 DPS at 3.5k + 47k
    EHP is around 35k
    mobility is 1660m/s and align is 9s

    EDIT:
    It actually don't fit now i fit it in-game. My EFT is not updated =D It lack around 7 CPU
    Last edited by Rebelike; December 1 2011 at 07:12:09 AM. Reason: Forgot stats =D
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    Swapping the TE for a nanofiber seems good for flexibility and going LSE II + 2x Invul II and 3 extender rigs gives 35 k EHP and good over-heatable resists for RR compared to a 720mm nano Arti Cane (39 k EHP, worse resists, worse tracking, worse dps but a bit more alpha).
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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    i believe someone scootered around on test server with this

    [Tornado, Tornado fit]

    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L

    Warp Disruptor II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Damage Control II

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I



    with double-webs raeping everything, even small drones
    Last edited by RoemySchneider; December 1 2011 at 07:36:15 AM.

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    It's worth comparing that to a double-web hurricane.

    D425mm armor Tornado: 47k EHP, 474dps @ 2.4+25km with RFEMP
    220mm armor Hurricane: 68k EHP, 554dps @ 1.4+11km with RFEMP + 5 light drones

    Inside web range, RFEMP is the winner for both ships, so let's compare at distance.
    (CaneND = no drones, CaneWar = 5x War2s)

    Code:
    Range   Torn    CaneND   CaneWar
    -----   ----    ------   -------
     2km    481     561      641
     4km    479     530      611
     6km    470     471      551
     8km    457     392      473
    10km    438     306      386
    12km    415     231      312
    So, the Cane wins up at 6km and closer - higher EHP, higher gun DPS, and a drone bay. The Tornado wins at 8km and beyond due to longer falloff.

    Basically, you'll kill things that have a warp disruptor and willingly wade into web range expecting to get under your guns. Any BC or HAC that has a scram and intentionally wades in to slug it out with you is likely to kill you, as you'll struggle to kite once your MWD is off.

    Overall, I think I'd rather have the Cane for that particular setup.

    Edit: Okay, you edited the post to say 650s. That changes things a bit. You'll need a 1% grid implant, and to drop the suitcase to named, but that performs a bit better (506dps @ 2.7+28). I think I'd still prefer the Cane, though, just for the neuts and drone bay.
    Last edited by Namamai; December 1 2011 at 08:06:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoemySchneider View Post
    i believe someone scootered around on test server with this

    [Tornado, Tornado fit]

    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L

    Warp Disruptor II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Damage Control II

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I



    with double-webs raeping everything, even small drones
    I was using a similar fit with a painter instead of the TC. It was quite a rape mobile until the inevitable faggot blob took offence and popped it hehe.

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    would still use the comp for 'standard' engagement range with a range script and webrange with speed script only if you 'have to' or when battle'ing BS






    useless concept fitting: oversized MWD

    [Tornado, Tornado fit]

    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
    280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S

    Quad LiF Fueled Booster Rockets
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
    Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
    Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Engine Thermal Shielding I



    pyfa sez:
    5635m/s in a straight line without imps or gang links
    8272m/s with heat
    17.9sec align -.- you can acc from 0 to 4465m/s with one overheated cycle
    cap stable w/o warp disruptor, too ^^

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    It feels like a bad idea to fly one of these solo without a neut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyrieee View Post
    It feels like a bad idea to fly one of these solo without a neut.
    If you cant kill your double webbed target with your massive capless DPS you were going to die anyhow

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    [Tornado, OVERSIZE
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Reactor Control Unit II

    Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
    Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L
    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L
    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L
    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L
    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L
    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L
    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L
    Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage L

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

    with low ehp of like 17k it wont see large gangs but it tracks suprisingly well and range is just stupid 49km falloff links and zors does 9k overloaded actually handles not as bad as i though, kinda like a 100mn tengu but much much quicker


    but really i think youl see allot of
    [Tornado, New Setup 1]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    i really hope that doesnt get popular tho it really is far too good. 2300ms with links before overloading means it can keep up with a vaga and do 800+dps with 39k faloff... derp

    oh yeh 30k ehp too on second fit

    the other i was looking at for small gang non scimitar type stuff is


    [Tornado, New Setup 1]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Last edited by felix-arb; December 4 2011 at 01:09:11 AM.

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    My first impression of the Tornado was, "yeah, it's definitely a glass cannon". But then I noticed a few things.

    Shield Hurricane with 1 nano = 1434 m/s
    Shield Tornado with no nano/OD = 1662 m/s
    Shield Tornado with OD2 = 1869 m/s

    The Tornado is 30% faster than my roaming ship. I don't know if that's a mistake on CCP's part, but I would plan to abuse it if I were still subbed. Since it seems any Ti3 BC will get raped if it gets webbed, I would say the best way to go with this ship is to treat it like a sniper Muninn.
    Code:
    [Tornado, thornado]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Damage Control II
    
    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    
    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    611 dps, just under 32k EHP.
    If this ship could carry drones, I would put in webbers.
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    Also, because I feel like it:

    Code:
    [Tornado, WTFHAX]
    Reactor Control Unit II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    
    10MN Afterburner II
    Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Target Painter II
    
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    669 dps, 11097 alpha (682/11302 max skills)
    35km optimal, 71km falloff
    16.7k EHP, 5644 shield HP

    I think the Maelstrom just became obsolete for purposes of undock ganks. 11k+ alpha from a single BC is fucking retarded, Expect much QQing.

    edit: underped the mids and rigs
    Last edited by Nordstern; December 4 2011 at 03:20:41 AM.
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    [Tornado, thornado-fixed]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Fourier Transform I Tracking Program

    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    MSE on a BC, especially an expensive meta 4 one, probably a no-go. Overall, 2k less EHP, but more of it in shields, and resists across the board are substantially better, which is what counts if you fly with logis. You can use 3x CDFE for more "on paper" ehp. You also free up the lowslot for a named TE, giving you MOAR range. You can get tricky using named gear and stuff on a named DC or a T2 TE, or alternatively, you can get more speed and agility by using a nanofiber.
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    And part of my series on sniper-HAC replacements, the Tornado is really the worst of the bunch for this engagement range due to the tiered ammo dropping your DPS so significantly.

    [Tornado, 80-110km]
    Reactor Control Unit II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Invulnerability Field II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Max Lock range 120km before gang
    606 DPS @ 39+90 for shortrange (500 @ 80km, 381 @ 100km)
    19k (lol) EHP due to the need for both the TC and SeBo to be effective.
    1662m/s, 8.2 (6.6) align time.
    Last edited by Tyrus Tenebros; December 5 2011 at 12:42:05 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    My first impression of the Tornado was, "yeah, it's definitely a glass cannon". But then I noticed a few things.

    Shield Hurricane with 1 nano = 1434 m/s
    Shield Tornado with no nano/OD = 1662 m/s
    Shield Tornado with OD2 = 1869 m/s

    The Tornado is 30% faster than my roaming ship. I don't know if that's a mistake on CCP's part, but I would plan to abuse it if I were still subbed.
    They also have a slightly smaller sig than the other BCs, making them much harder to hit in a BS.. These are definitely BS raping tools, but I wouldn't solo in one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    My first impression of the Tornado was, "yeah, it's definitely a glass cannon". But then I noticed a few things.

    Shield Hurricane with 1 nano = 1434 m/s
    Shield Tornado with no nano/OD = 1662 m/s
    Shield Tornado with OD2 = 1869 m/s

    The Tornado is 30% faster than my roaming ship. I don't know if that's a mistake on CCP's part, but I would plan to abuse it if I were still subbed.
    They also have a slightly smaller sig than the other BCs, making them much harder to hit in a BS.. These are definitely BS raping tools, but I wouldn't solo in one.
    That's absurd. Their EHP is way too low to compete against the damage projection and EHP combination of Battleships short of entirely outranging them and being faster.
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    Same statement applies to sniper HACs. Would like to see Muninn fleet vs. Tornado fleet at 70km.
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    [Tornado, Tornado fit]

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Internal Force Field Array I

    Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    828dps (660 with barrage), 46k ehp (with heat), very flat resist profile... 1662m/s

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    Quote Originally Posted by felix-arb View Post
    but really i think youl see allot of
    [Tornado, New Setup 1]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    i really hope that doesnt get popular tho it really is far too good. 2300ms with links before overloading means it can keep up with a vaga and do 800+dps with 39k faloff... derp
    Been using sort of this fit. Just no EM rig since we never have Scimitars in our gangs, and two TEs instead of two gyros. 39k falloff is good, but it doesn't leave much room fucking around with recons/heavy neuts on field, a second tracking enhancer in turn boosts that up to 3+49km, which, at 1900m/s is just ridiculous. Sit 45km away, hit for 1k damage. Even more so, at 40km you'll prolly have more issues tracking frigates than at 50km.

    I've been flying Cynabals almost exclusively for 1 year now, I literally threw them in the trash can for this ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liptonez View Post
    I've been flying Cynabals almost exclusively for 1 year now, I literally threw them in the trash can for this ship.
    How can you literally throw a internet spaceship in a trash can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liptonez View Post
    I've been flying Cynabals almost exclusively for 1 year now, I literally threw them in the trash can for this ship.
    How can you literally throw a internet spaceship in a trash can?
    7 Expanded Cargoholds on a rigged Phoon makes room for about half a Cynabal.
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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