[PVP] Talos

[Sponk]

that post doesn't work with out hyperlinks.

Here's one.

[Amantus]

lool is lords servant trying to pretend he knows anything about eve or what

looooool

[Tyrus Tenebros]

lool is lords servant trying to pretend he knows anything about eve or what

looooool

Keep retarded trolling out of the fitting section plx. TIA

Edit: in b4 somebody points out lords might be a retarded troll also

[kyrieee]

Lords, this is a ship you go roaming in 0.0 with, not one you sit around in lowsec with pirate implants + links waiting to gank someone and pretend it's a good fight.

0/10

that post doesn't work with out hyperlinks.

lool I now see what you did there

[LordsServant]

So apparently my talos fits are so bad they were used in the AT.

Oh woe is me.


:smug:

[Daneel Trevize]

I really don't think they had long points...

Also, shut up, AT is the realm of wierd fits that wouldn't work on TQ.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Everybody knows that AT pvp != TQ pvp

[LordsServant]

Confirming that this fit:


[Talos, beyond broken]
Co-Processor II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Won't work on TQ and is horrible.

http://pinkiepie.eve-kill.net/?a=kil...ll_id=14269869
http://pinkiepie.eve-kill.net/?a=kil...ll_id=14269870
http://pinkiepie.eve-kill.net/?a=kil...ll_id=14269875 (<---had me hard tackled)
+rifter not worth it to link

http://pinkiepie.eve-kill.net/?a=kil...ll_id=14270746

http://pinkiepie.eve-kill.net/?a=kil...ll_id=14290526
Those two were together, the cyclone jumped thru gate and was RIGHT on top of me with scram web I was forced to brawl him down. I tried drake first time immediately after, but wasn't able to get him without charges in my booster, so warped out in hull. I came in a second time, tried him at range with null, but he was able to tank me for long enough that I was forced to warp out again, also in hull (no reps inbetween). I came back a third time, but came in close all manly-like and BRAWLED HIM THE FUCK DOWN, fight was EXTREMELY close with me killing him with no cap, no ASB charges, and 2/3 hull. Easily one of the better/best fights I've had in a while, and quite rare to find.

So, just sayin - these fits DO work TQ. You're just bad/unimaginative/stuck in 6 months ago/w/e. :P

[Shiodome]

that's nice and everything, except the 'standard' talos would have been fine too and doesn't need to commit in scram range with a dubious tank.

edit: i don't have anything particularly against the idea of ASB's on a talos, a single ASB on anything that aims to gank something down with high dps and gtfo is gonna be a good match... it's really whether the range, dps and buffer loss is worth it, when the dual LSE already give you the time needed to brawl things down.

[Ophichius]

that's nice and everything, except the 'standard' talos would have been fine too and doesn't need to commit in scram range with a dubious tank.

What? That fit doesn't have to commit in scram range. It has fine damage projection out to 25km. Just because you have a web doesn't mean you're somehow committed to using it in every fight.

-O

[Shiodome]

yeah check my edit, was fiddling about in eft as i/we replied. is the ASB meant to be run with tengu links or something? it just doesn't seem to offer enough over dual LSE (+ range, + dps, +buffer, and other minor differences [overheat profile, cost, booster dependant etc), but with links + blue pill i can see it taking over (but add 700m to something and it'd better be an improvement). and that 6-8km range is kind of big deal in my experience

[Ophichius]

Well it obviously benefits from links and drugs, but it seems to work fine true solo without contraband. The idea is that in addition to your 13 loaded charges, you can get at least two or three pulses off the ridiculous amount of cap that Ti3s have, and the ASB can help keep people keen (if they're not bored of ASBs and run off thinking you're dual-ASB)

A quick comparison to a standard neutron + 2x LSE fit: LSE fit has 10k raw shield HP and 17k shield EHP. An ASB fit that manages to get off all 13 cycles will rep 14k raw shield HP, plus having the base 2k. This gives a total of 25k shield EHP not counting any cycles after cap charges run out. The only time you fail to get the full buffer is if enemy DPS overtops your ability to tank, i.e. if you're taking more than 500 incoming DPS. Given the ship's agility and range dictation, you should be able to simply pull range and warp if that's the case. Any situation in which an ASB fit will die in a fire, the LSE fit will be only seconds behind it, while against more moderate DPS streams the ASB fit wins by about a 1.5:1 margin.

I don't know why Lords went with ions exactly, as a 2x overclock 1x ACR setup will run full neutrons just fine. Tracking perhaps.

-O

[LordsServant]

yeah check my edit, was fiddling about in eft as i/we replied. is the ASB meant to be run with tengu links or something? it just doesn't seem to offer enough over dual LSE (+ range, + dps, +buffer, and other minor differences [overheat profile, cost, booster dependant etc), but with links + blue pill i can see it taking over (but add 700m to something and it'd better be an improvement). and that 6-8km range is kind of big deal in my experience

Before I go to sleep...

I have never actually run that with tengu boosts. I've run it with loki, but never tengu.

Honestly, you don't lose that much range(<5km, which means nothing for your dps curve at 20 - unless you're using boosters or faction disruptor you shouldn't be further 99% of time, any dps advantage is gained from neutrons+2nd magstab + rig) dps(-200 or so), cost remains similar due to lolneutron prices, buffer means nothing (I think I've gone over this before). It works perfectly fine without boosts, and you gain an absolutely absurd amount of staying power.

Standard LSE talos has 9k shields, and roughly 14.1k ehp in them. My XLASB talos boosts 1078 shields/shot, for a grand total of 14,014 raw shield HP - over 50% more from cap charges in one cycle alone, no boosts or blue pill or implants involved, which raises it QUITE a bit. Also, you can typically get 1-2 extra heated xlasb cycles in there from cap alone, which bumps it even FURTHER in XLASB's favor.

I also gain a web which is invaluable for keeping tackle off me, and when you get fucked by CCP (having a cyclone decloak from gate 5km from you in the direction you were already traveling - you aren't totally boned due to tracking, and can instead slow it down and rape its face in.

Also, I track better(Ions > Neutrons) :P

XLASB fit utterly dominations standard dual LSE kiting fit for solo pvp and works better in many, many, situations.

Dual LSE fit still works fine for gankers not interested in fights running in a gang or those who are unable to micromanage their ships mods and just die(or refuse to fight) when confronted with something they don't expect ofc....

EDIT: Ophi, I run a metastasis rig in place of an ancillery PG rig, handn't actually thought of doing that tbh. I might try that for my future ones, not sure how it would change things up. (I lose .015 tracking in comparison, and as you know I engage pretty much anything I find, or at least try, rather than simply "I'm in a tier 3, run from all frig hull gangs") Also, you end up with that hideous amount of extra PG, which just seems wasted >< but then I could.... NO

Not efting and theorycrafting. I need to go to sleep (just got outta shower).

I'll think more on this tomorrow, but I like my fit, and tbh I like having taht web. Made all the difference today (as you saw in the stream).

[prometheus]

So bad. SO SO bad.
Congrats, you've made a paper tank!

You've not only made a weak ship weaker, but added it into the ranks of such terrible fit luminaries such as the "max gank caracal" and the like.

Seriously, just because it fits, doesn't mean you should. Fly a Naga instead if you want webs.

[Ophichius]

So bad. SO SO bad.
Congrats, you've made a paper tank!

You've not only made a weak ship weaker, but added it into the ranks of such terrible fit luminaries such as the "max gank caracal" and the like.

Seriously, just because it fits, doesn't mean you should. Fly a Naga instead if you want webs.

What? Prom, I tend to think you usually know what you're talking about, but I have to call bullshit on that. Naga has almost identical damage projection and DPS numbers, half the tracking, 300m/s less speed, worse agility, and worse cap life. The only way your recommendation makes any sense is if you're advocating XLASB Nagas, as they at least tank 900-ish DPS, but you appear to hate ASBs on principle, so I have a hard time believing you're advocating that. Please explain your thinking.

-O

[prometheus]

His selling factor is that he had a web, Naga will run your typical LSE Talos tank w/ 2x webs.

[Ophichius]

And it's still going to suffer from worse damage projection, worse cap life and worse speed. I don't see the edge being decisively in favor of the Naga at all.

-O

[Varcaus]

And it's still going to suffer from worse damage projection, worse cap life and worse speed. I don't see the edge being decisively in favor of the Naga at all.

-O

And worse tracking under 10km

[prometheus]

And it's still going to suffer from worse damage projection, worse cap life and worse speed. I don't see the edge being decisively in favor of the Naga at all.

-O

And worse tracking under 10km

not with dual webs, and the range is about the same as lords fit, since he's using ions

[W0lf Crendraven]

Correct me if im wrong but doesnt the naga have better projection than the talos? Talos gets a tracking bonus the naga a range bonus, meaning that the nagas range is better (even if you take into account that it only uses one te)