[PVP] Talos

[helgur]

Bog standard Talos. Some views and inputs on the fittings would be nice. An idea to downgrade guns for better tracking perhaps?

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I'm not that impressed by the DPS figures. I think the naga fit someone else posted is a better alternative. It doesn't gimp the speed of the ship aswell

Edit: I was theorycrafting in an old version of pyfa and the above fitting exceeds both PG/CPU capacity never mind the fit i posted

[Mr Marram]

Well it's not bad considering that's a full neutron fit with fitting mods (\0/ blaster changes).
But then I have seen 1k+ from both the oracle (real) and naga (theory).

In other news we chased garmons snaked and (then) Loki boosted Tornado across a lowsec system, our FCC called the attackers back when he hit low hull, we only knew after as the vaga pilots didn't say anything about his HP.
Thing was going 3km/s+ FFS. We took no return fire from him.

[Vortex]

Bog standard Talos. Some views and inputs on the fittings would be nice. An idea to downgrade guns for better tracking perhaps?

I'm not that impressed by the DPS figures. I think the naga fit someone else posted is a better alternative. It doesn't gimp the speed of the ship aswell

Well of course a 1x MFS Talos will lose out to a 3x MFS Naga, what are you expecting?

Your dps numbers and fittings are also completely wrong - your doing ~923 dps, not 844. Not that it matters, given you are 30 cpu over and 3% grid over as well (use an ANP and grid implant). Honestly, your biggest problem is perception: none of the new BCs are going to replace Tier 2 BCs as a straight up supperior trade - the tank and track and fitting options simply aren't there. These are giant walking DPS support cruisers, far more similar to a zealot in design philosophy than a "battlecuiser" in EVE's traditional parlance. That talos has enough EHP to take a few hits before going down, is about and agile as fast a cruiser, and can lock up its target quickly as well. If you want even moar suicide DPS, add more MFS.

The thing about the Talos you posted that Nagas don't have is tracking. Your rocking large blasters in close range, so yea, those two webs and tracking bonus are going to help a lot, even if the EFT numbers don't look quite as shiny as a 3x MFS Neutron Void Naga's do.

[LordsServant]

UrDoingItWrong.

Spending most of your slots on tank while sitting in a glass cannon(yes its a glass cannon, don't you dare tell me you can tank it as I can get other ships to do better dps with better tank that way - only reason to tank it up is if ur baiting/doing something weird)


[Talos, RETURN OF DA GAYLENTE]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Hobgoblin II x5

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

794 dps at 16+29 with pretty pr0 tracking...alternatively do 996 dps at 6.4+23 (numbers could be a touch off as Im using winter preview eft and I hear blaster deeps is off in that)

It doesn't really strike me as a "soloing" boat and more of a "killmail damage topping" gang boat. Just from looking at it as much as I have I don't really like it so far.

As far as other stuff it can go full retard and be bridged onto ppl fit like...


[Talos, TITAN DROPPING]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Stasis Webifier II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

1084 Gun DPS according to winter EFT BEFORE overheat. So assuming its gun dps is LOW and taking into account the hobs AND overloading you might be doing 1400-1500 dps. Titan bridge dropping (at least how I do it) would be perfect for this boat, but oracle still wins as far as doing close (but not higher) dps while being able to hit everything in a 20km radius, unlike this which can only do it with 5.8+20 (decent dps vs p. much everything in a 10 or so km radius.)

-Lords

[prometheus]

This is what I was looking into

[Talos, Thorax]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Hobgoblin II x5

1029 dps with antimatter, 32.7k eHP
I refuse to fly one of these without an injector or rep.
I see the Talos as being a big Thorax/Gank Brutix, with more range.

[RoemySchneider]

[Talos, Talos fit]

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
10MN Afterburner II

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Hobgoblin II x5

~400+100dps with no tracking issues - baibai drones
alas, only 2k m/s with heated mwd but dual prop+web will get you the extra 'mile' despite the ugly agility -.-
feel free to fit 8x weapons - i just love my neut and happily sacrifice 12.5% turrets for it -.-

dropping the second plate for another eanm loses you 20% tank and only gains 10% speed'n'agility.

[Caldrion Dosto]

All hail our new gank Brutix


[Talos, Aka Brutix]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5


DPS: 1252 (1440 ovrht)
Ehp: 28k (better get a jam with drones)

I have no clue if u actually will hit anything with the tracking but guess it´s worth a shoot.

[Sparkus Volundar]

As the targets probably going to keep moving in some way, I'd probably go -14 % damage with CN AM rather than -25% tracking and range from Void. Looks like a fun fit though

[helgur]

Interesting fits ITT, especially Proms and Roemyschneider ones

[kyrieee]

I haven't had a chance to fly the Talos, or even EFT it, but at a glance it looks like it epitomizes the problems with Gallente, even post buff.

Of course it will be hard not to giggle if you get to apply your 1.5k dps, but you're always primary, you have shit tracking, no tank and no tackle. I feel like it needs more of something, like an extra mid so you could shield tank it and still fit a web. These new BCs seem much more suited to sniping than brawling, no place for Gallente =(

[Vortex]

I haven't had a chance to fly the Talos, or even EFT it, but at a glance it looks like it epitomizes the problems with Gallente, even post buff.

Of course it will be hard not to giggle if you get to apply your 1.5k dps, but you're always primary, you have shit tracking, no tank and no tackle. I feel like it needs more of something, like an extra mid so you could shield tank it and still fit a web. These new BCs seem much more suited to sniping than brawling, no place for Gallente =(

I know this is heretical to most Gallente pilots, but "hybrids" is not synonymous with "blasters".

[Talos, 425 Skirmisher]
Co-Processor II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I


Warrior II x5

Yea I hate that Coproc as well but Talos is oddly CPU gimped.

17.7k EHP
743 rail dps @ 51+30km, +80 dps when your warriors arrive (or just carry ECM drones for maybe saving an insurance payout)

This does essentially the same DPS as an oracle at those ranges, with a significant edge to the Talos once the warriors arrive (~8 seconds after launch). Oracles have considerably better tracking on Scorch L than even the tracking scripted Talos, but the Talos is faster and has much more of its EHP in the shields. Oracle definitely wins in close range, with significantly better tracking and DPS, but Javelin makes you not terrible at closer ranged fights, and you can swap to it nearly as quickly.

Rail Talos also has the option of going into true counter sniping, where the Oracle is locked out at ~60km on Scorch L. If some Falcon decloaks at 100km, the Talos can put an end to that quickly.

Anyways, the two boats are definitely comparable, with the Oracle probably being better in that engagement range (if only due to tracking speed), but its hardly a bad option either, esp. with that dronebay.

[Marlona Sky]

Damn shame the cpu is so gimped that you have to put on a co-pro instead of a dc.

[Vortex]

Damn shame the cpu is so gimped that you have to put on a co-pro instead of a dc.

Yea, its 39 cpu over without the coproc. You can work it down with Algid rigs and implants, but either way you're going to compromise ~something~ to get the fit on. 350s solve the CPU problem as well, but they tend to make it just a strictly inferior Oracle in return. Not that it would be a "bad" ship, just not the best ship.

[Sudden]

If you are flying with a gang drop the mid slot tackle all together and get that EHP up. They'll forgive you

[Marlona Sky]

Damn shame the cpu is so gimped that you have to put on a co-pro instead of a dc.

Yea, its 39 cpu over without the coproc. You can work it down with Algid rigs and implants, but either way you're going to compromise ~something~ to get the fit on. 350s solve the CPU problem as well, but they tend to make it just a strictly inferior Oracle in return. Not that it would be a "bad" ship, just not the best ship.

Which comes down to my argument. Why would you fly a Talos when the Naga exists? Both have the same dps (minus Talos token light drones lol) and you only need to spend an extra day or so to get the right level of Caldari cruiser skill for the prereq.

[Sudden]

Damn shame the cpu is so gimped that you have to put on a co-pro instead of a dc.

Yea, its 39 cpu over without the coproc. You can work it down with Algid rigs and implants, but either way you're going to compromise ~something~ to get the fit on. 350s solve the CPU problem as well, but they tend to make it just a strictly inferior Oracle in return. Not that it would be a "bad" ship, just not the best ship.

Which comes down to my argument. Why would you fly a Talos when the Naga exists? Both have the same dps (minus Talos token light drones lol) and you only need to spend an extra day or so to get the right level of Caldari cruiser skill for the prereq.

Blaster Naga>Rail Talos>>>Rail Naga>>>>>>>>>>>Blaster Talos

[walrus]

could always rock this one if you got enough meta stuff for 100% cpu


[Talos, Talos fit]

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
F-aQ Phase Code Tracking Subroutines
F-aQ Phase Code Tracking Subroutines
Damage Control II

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[Empty Rig slot]

758 gun dps @ 44+44km
22.8k ehp

can ofc drop one hybrid rig for polycarbs or something

[Vortex]

Damn shame the cpu is so gimped that you have to put on a co-pro instead of a dc.

Yea, its 39 cpu over without the coproc. You can work it down with Algid rigs and implants, but either way you're going to compromise ~something~ to get the fit on. 350s solve the CPU problem as well, but they tend to make it just a strictly inferior Oracle in return. Not that it would be a "bad" ship, just not the best ship.

Which comes down to my argument. Why would you fly a Talos when the Naga exists? Both have the same dps (minus Talos token light drones lol) and you only need to spend an extra day or so to get the right level of Caldari cruiser skill for the prereq.

So long as your assuming the drone bay is "token", yea, your predisposing yourself to only one answer. 5x Warrior IIs is a ~10% DPS bump for the Talos, and they are fast enough to arrive on the target in a timely fashion. Inside of 60km, Talos *is* going to out-DPS Naga, and that's the kind of range where the Talos tracking bonus will see the most use as well. I'm not saying the Talos isn't a bit of an ~awkward~ ship or anything (it shouldn't have those CPU issues), but its still a competent rail platform. If you prefer Naga that much, then jeez, just train Caldari Cruiser 3 already, nbd.

[Hetzen]

I think the tier 3's are best outside of tackle range.

Consider this for a gang dps talos:

[Talos, rails]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I


Warrior II x5

895 heated turret dps at 47+49. Practically twice the tracking of a rail naga. Good agility/speed, can easily sit aligned out at 50km laying down accurate dps. Any falcon that shows up better damn well hope they jam the talos on the first cycle.

You can even switch to tracking speed scripts if needed, but shouldn't be necessary at 50km.

You can switch the istab for for an overdrive, ANP, or similar, but I don't think a nanofiber is worth the hull hp loss.

[kyrieee]

Heh, taking "glass cannon" to a new level.
Great damage considering the range though

I would fit it more like this:

[Talos, rails]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I
Medium Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I


Warrior II x5


same alpha, more EHP (lol)