Originally Posted by
Cue1*
Originally Posted by
Baarhyn
I'll post my fit since I'm rolling from memory here but the crux of my argument is that you can kite shit outside of bastion and destroy shit in bastion. It does include links since you know, 4b ship, and it does include implants since you know, 4b ship.
We also have to take into account the fact that coasting in/out of bastion is easy considering it's only 60s a pop, you can mjd, bastion, mwd one cycle and mjd again.
I'll do a comprehensive with/without links and implants later, I might be over hyped about it but I feel that ship to be the most versatile boat ive seen in a long time.
We've had this discussion a few hundred times as it is, maybe you should go read those threads instead? It's simple, when you are comparing the stats of a ship, you compare said stats with no implants, no links, no drugs. Why you ask? For the same reason we use an all V character for comparing stats, it's a baseline.
60 seconds is 60 seconds for something with a scram to get in gang, and get to you. You can't coast around in Bastion anymore, it doesn't add mass. All it takes is one ship with a scram to make two of your midslots dead weight.
Heavy neut + med neut + web + scram + drones + 1000dps autocannons.
It's like trying to keep a utility domi tackled, it ain't impossible for sure but it's bitchy at best.
Anyway, I'll be in front of eft in not so long and I'll back what I'm saying a bit.
edit:
So before any kind of implant links pills drones or overheating we can see that:
vargur:
+ bastion mode for redonk tank and
ECM immunity
+ med neut (switch for second heavy neut if going only MWD or only MJD for pure/linked solo)
+ a bit more cap stable under prop.
+ can brawl
+ 32.5% tracking
+ can do no web scram and keep dual prop.
Mach:
+ 550 m/s
+ 37 dps
the speed difference can be alleviated with links, you're already solidly in BC speed territory and except for HG snaked mach you ain't getting in cruiser territory.
the damage difference we can argue about since there is a huge tracking bonus on the vargur.
Now this is what i'm talking about
:
easily cap stable in bastion
5669/8770 dps tank HG crystals, (still redonkulous with LG crystals, still redonkulous without lol)
1271/1838 m/s out of bastion.
project better than a mach, more tracking, more neuts, can outbrawl right about anything, is ECM immune in bastion, is slippery as fuck between neuts, MWD and MJD.
Under the same pimp, the mach becomes fucking fast (it's roughly fast enough for what it does already) tank become decent at about 1300 dps before implants (1861 with HG crystals)
so what you buy for roughly the same price is:
- ecm immunity when necessary
- abhorrent tank
- brawl potential
- supreme gtfo 1min MJD + extra neut
- extra tracking and falloff
- it's vertical
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