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    [PvP] Vargur

    from or favorite installment "expanded probe launcher on everything"


    [Vargur, Vargur fit]

    Expanded Probe Launcher II, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Medium Energy Neutralizer II
    Medium Energy Neutralizer II

    100MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Stasis Webifier II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Damage Control II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Large Trimark Armor Pump I
    Large Trimark Armor Pump I


    Ogre II x2
    Hammerhead II x2
    Hobgoblin II x1



    - almost 40 sensor / 51 with heat -.-
    - 7.5% tracking/lvl is ♥ even though it's on the marauder skill
    - alas alas.... only 106mm scan res 8[ would recommend any frig - even a rookie ship - in gang and then squad warp. oneiros works, too -.-

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    Doesn't that thing have a massive explosive and kinetic hole?
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    Yes. And you must seriously hate MWDing, since you don't have a cap booster.
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    That is a godawful vargur fit. Proper shield tanking eccm'd vargurs are perfectly viable, you don't need abominations like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    Yes. And you must seriously hate MWDing, since you don't have a cap booster.
    i do actually.. in aynthing not breaking the 1.5km/s barrier -.-

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    Had a stab at it, going without mwd I think you can kinda do a Mael like so (each mod/rig's ~100m isk except the 250m? booster)

    [Vargur, Tank]
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Tairei's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Invulnerability Field II
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Large EMP Smartbomb II
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L

    Large Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard II
    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


    Vespa EC-600 x5
    Warrior II x5


    Bring HG Crystals, Strong Blue Pill, ganglink Tengu & Proteus of course.
    Should the web be traded for a tank mod? IDK about AC tracking. DG SBA gives a lot more tank.

    Anything with an mwd and I can't see where it beats a Sleipnir for the same money except 2 utility highs.

    And to be clear, get a cov ops for combat scanning + fast tackle (bombers can be even faster just to get a sudden point on things).
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    Anti-EM or Anti kinetic?
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    Anti-EM, it's not got T2 winmater shield resists in my EFT & PyFA. Armour's got the usual slope the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Anti-EM, it's not got T2 winmater shield resists in my EFT & PyFA. Armour's got the usual slope the other way.
    It does have stage 1 T2 resists (like AFs), just turned off the DCU, invun and removed the anti-em rig and it has 36.2% EM-resists on shields.
    I see what you mean about winmatar T2 resists, like the sleipnir has 62.5%.
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    TIL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    TIL...
    User was infracted for this post, either contribute to the thread properly or don't bother posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Marram View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Anti-EM, it's not got T2 winmater shield resists in my EFT & PyFA. Armour's got the usual slope the other way.
    It does have stage 1 T2 resists (like AFs), just turned off the DCU, invun and removed the anti-em rig and it has 36.2% EM-resists on shields.
    I see what you mean about winmatar T2 resists, like the sleipnir has 62.5%.
    You might have been thinking of the other T2 frigs. Jag and Wolf have good T2 resists.

    How do you get 36.2% by the way? Had me flumuxed. Base Vargur EM resist is 25%, which would increase to 36% with a 15% bonus (e.g. DC armour bonus).
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkus Volundar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Marram View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Anti-EM, it's not got T2 winmater shield resists in my EFT & PyFA. Armour's got the usual slope the other way.
    It does have stage 1 T2 resists (like AFs), just turned off the DCU, invun and removed the anti-em rig and it has 36.2% EM-resists on shields.
    I see what you mean about winmatar T2 resists, like the sleipnir has 62.5%.
    You might have been thinking of the other T2 frigs. Jag and Wolf have good T2 resists.

    How do you get 36.2% by the way? Had me flumuxed. Base Vargur EM resist is 25%, which would increase to 36% with a 15% bonus (e.g. DC armour bonus).
    He didn't actually removed the invul, so that means he stil get resist bonus from it. Shield comp skills do work with invuls if they are turned off.
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    So, I was thinking the other day, could the vargur be a Mac with 2 Neuts and a way better tank.

    The answer is no, primarily because of dat PG.

    However, someone with far too much money (Lords) should totally throw a whole bunch of Force multipliers (Snakes/+5s/Double Booster/Probably a Sensor Integrity Link) at this fit, because its a Vargur, its awesome.

    [Vargur, Lol]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Damage Control II

    Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
    Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
    Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    'Moat' Heavy Energy Neutralizer I
    'Moat' Heavy Energy Neutralizer I
    'Lance' Medium EMP Smartbomb I

    Large Ancillary Current Router II
    Large Ancillary Current Router II


    Valkyrie II x5
    Warrior II x5

    Goes 3K/s with heat
    3.1K DPS Tank with Blue Pill
    Awesome tracking
    2 Neuts
    An SB
    54K Falloff with EMP
    A Web (Which is actually kind of bawler)

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    DAT 17 SENSOR STRENGTH THOUGH
    Last edited by sharptoast; December 20 2012 at 08:29:56 AM.

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    Tracking bonus and web, maxed links, fat BS? I think I'd have gone 2 gyro, 2 nano/overdrive rather than those TEs.

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    Could do, Second nano doesnt do a great deal tbh, and you would lose a lot of applied DPS past 25K without TEs.

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    K, tbh I hadn't imported it, I just know those should swap & still fit. Also yay for 4x100% bonused guns & their low heat buildup. And huge cargo bay -> not so bad putting overdrives on.

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    Just to compare it a mach with pretty much the same fitting. The mach tanks more, goes faster, deals more dps, has better range, has more drones space, aligns almost twice as fast, has more cap, has more sensor strenght, has twice the sensor resolution and has more ehp, the vargur gets a neut and a smartbomb and more cargospace!

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    Mach tanks that well?

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    No. not with the same implants but a mach with crystals is still faster then a vargur with snakes. So if you put crystals in your peak tank is 3508dps, while still beeing 300m/s faster then the vargur!

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