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    [PVE] Loki

    considering to get one for solo low-sec exploration (can't be arsed to get into 0.0 with my sporadic online times) ... a covops + hac would be likely safer and have a better ISK-efficiency, but then again i'd have to switch ships regularly.

    i know that tengu would be choice #1, but caldari is the only race of which i lack cruiser lvl5. lolegion isn't really an option, neither is a proteus (don't like drones under such circumstances .. and blasters are lolterrible)

    [Loki, lowsec exploration]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    10MN Afterburner II
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Codebreaker I

    Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
    425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
    Improved Cloaking Device II

    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I

    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

    Hobgoblin II x5


    i'm thinking about using adaptive shielding instead of the 'better' defense subsystems, as it allows for one more hislot than the others - which is quite useful considering that one more gun > one more gyro.

    not sure yet about the medslots - either changing the two invul to rat-specific hardeners or switching one invul for an ECCM. tho' i'm not sure how much it would actually change in terms of scan-time for the enemy. the latter is also a reason why i'm not that fond of passive shield tank/shield rigs on this setup.

    tank is on the weak-side. but that shouldn't be much of a problem - afterall i got quite some experience doing lvl4 missions with a passive dual LSE+invul cynabal - damage mitigation by piloting is the way to go.

    so - did i miss something? or has anyone a better idea for solo exploration?

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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, LOLWUT]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Co-Processor II

    Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    10MN Afterburner II
    Codebreaker I

    Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Improved Cloaking Device II

    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

    Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hammerhead II x3
    Warrior II x2
    Hammerhead II x3
    Warrior II x2

    Ammo/drones to taste.

    CPU is damn tight due to Loki Defensive - Amplification Node, the shielding one gives much more CPU.
    On the other hand, this fit has only 97,5 sig radius
    DPS is 457 with non-faction ammo before heat, up to 24 km.
    Tanks slightly more than your fit. Not cap stable if permarunning though but more shield/cap than the small deadspace one, and with such low sig you shouldn't be taking much dps anyways.
    Rigs + drones make it easy to kill frigs and other small shit. You can change the thrusters for something else if you don't need the extra range.
    Extra set of drones just because you can.

    But I never owned a Loki, so take it with a massive heap of salt.

    E: if you go 3x faction BCU you can drop the Co-Proc and get another nanofibre.
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    Re: Loki

    I'm considering doing some WH anoms/plexes in the near future and thinking of using a Loki (can't fly Tengu yet). Obviously Drake does it cheaper and tanks more but I'd like to have more dps than a T2 frigate. It will most likely be a C2 to get started and move on to a C3.

    I'm not sure if cov ops sub is needed or not, improv cloak might do for now:


    [Loki, WH PVE]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Power Diagnostic System II

    10MN Afterburner II
    Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
    Invulnerability Field II
    Ballistic Deflection Field II

    Improved Cloaking Device II
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hobgoblin II x5

    614dps with drones out to 25km, 571dps with barrage all the way out to 38km
    Tanks 338dps omni, cap stable at 50%
    750m/s and small sig should be enough.

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    Re: Loki

    The cloak is beyond useless. If it's your home hole, POS up. If it isn't, fit a probe launcher and safe up/run back where you came from. Once you're in a site it just gives you no chance of sniping the frigs before they're under your guns.

    C2s need ranged DPS, even a legion's optimal with scorch isn't always enough. C3s it's perfect while you'll be deep in falloff, and can't tank them. And no web at all, let alone a bonus ranged one. Personally I'd consider the following, or at least build something that rivals their stats.

    [Loki, C3s shields]
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Reactor Control Unit II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
    Invulnerability Field II
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard II

    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hobgoblin II x5


    [Loki, C3s armour]
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Armor Kinetic Hardener II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Cap Recharger II
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
    Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
    Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hobgoblin II x5


    Only use the cap booster if/when you're neuted and need the reps going. Either paired with a T2 fit legion would blitz c3s.
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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacefalm
    [Loki, LOLWUT]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Co-Processor II

    Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    10MN Afterburner II
    Codebreaker I

    Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
    Improved Cloaking Device II

    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

    Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Interesting idea although rigor rigs don't work on those missiles (see in-game description for further info).

    Quote Originally Posted by halbarad
    I'm considering doing some WH anoms/plexes in the near future and thinking of using a Loki (can't fly Tengu yet). Obviously Drake does it cheaper and tanks more but I'd like to have more dps than a T2 frigate.

    [Loki, WH PVE]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Power Diagnostic System II

    10MN Afterburner II
    Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
    Invulnerability Field II
    Ballistic Deflection Field II

    Improved Cloaking Device II
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hobgoblin II x5

    614dps with drones out to 25km, 571dps with barrage all the way out to 38km
    Tanks 338dps omni, cap stable at 50%
    750m/s and small sig should be enough.
    It'll be capable of doing those dps numbers within optimal range if it can track well. At the end of falloff you're down to about 50% of paper dps.

    A HML Drake with only 2 T2 BCSs and t1 kinetic ammo and drones has 420 paper dps out to 50+ km. Plus in C2s it can fit a target painter to help achieve that dps. I agree variety is nice but using a Drake while waiting for a Tengu or a Sleipnir would probably make sense.

    Sparks
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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkus Volundar
    A HML Drake with only 2 T2 BCSs and t1 kinetic ammo and drones has 420 paper dps out to 50+ km. Plus in C2s it can fit a target painter to help achieve that dps. I agree variety is nice but using a Drake while waiting for a Tengu or a Sleipnir would probably make sense.
    I had a feeling this would be true. It's considerably cheaper to get a drake as well.

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    Re: Loki

    Sad but true
    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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    Re: Loki

    Not really found a great Lv4 Loki fit as an alternative to a BS. Not too surprising I suppose but I wanted to make use of the bonused web range. I've used a 3-gyro, 2-TE fit but a 4-gyro fit would work.

    [Loki, Lv4s but wants more teeth]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    Small Nosferatu II

    Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II
    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Capacitor Control circuit I

    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hobgoblin II x5

    519 dps omni-tank on a 158 m3 sig.
    583 paper dps with EMP or 543 with Barrage.
    2+28 km range with EMP or 3.5+41 km with Barrage.
    35km 60% web.
    786 m/s and 8.2 s align time.
    Cap-stable with the NOS on if needed.

    The dps and falloff combined with low agility and spread-out rats can make this disapointing if used solo. Maybe a MWD would be a useful. The long web is a nice fun addition if you are in a small fleet though.

    Anyone have better experiances or fits?

    Thanks in advance,
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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkus Volundar
    [Loki, Lv4s but wants more teeth]
    That doesnt fit without a pg implant for me.

    I have used

    [Loki, Lvl4]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
    Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
    Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
    Invulnerability Field II

    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    5x Hobgoblin II
    5x Hobgoblin II


    705 dps with EMP M at 17+26
    657 dps with Barrage M at 3.5+40
    Cap stable
    361 omnitank

    I have tanked AE bonus room with it (swaping the invul for an exp hardener) but it took a while due to having to kite and use barrage. Webs + painters hurt!

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    Is there a shield-tanking, AC fit for level 4's that doesn't require faction gear? And would it tank better than a Maelstrom?
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    With the low sig it might have better tank, but I think mael would still be more effective at running lvl 4 missions. I cant imagine very effective shield loki for lvl 4s even with faction gear

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    My concern is that the Loki fits here are faster and cap stable, but my Mael fit caps out after 2 min, so I want a larger buffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    My concern is that the Loki fits here are faster and cap stable, but my Mael fit caps out after 2 min, so I want a larger buffer.
    the problem here appears to be your mael fit. fit a cap booster. you dont need to be cap stable anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    My concern is that the Loki fits here are faster and cap stable, but my Mael fit caps out after 2 min, so I want a larger buffer.
    With the isk difference between the Loki and Mael why not just pimp the Mael a bit so it can run its tank for longer.

    PS. You don't need to be cap stable.

    PPS. Buy a fucking Mach its mucho better.

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    Buying Machs funds Russian aggression. No thanks.

    Also, I can't afford it.
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    In Level 4s I think you'll be disapointed with the time taken for a Loki to close range on targets to apply decent damage compared to the 800mm AC Mael, which although slower, has 39 km falloff with EMP. If you want a loki for PvE, Incursions are a place they shine.
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    Fine, I'll try the 800mm AC Mael. Less expensive if I fuck up.
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    Finally found something which the Loki tops the tengu at for PvE Content:
    Tanking Lvl5 missions - especially vs Amarr:
    (pyfa format i think)
    [Loki, L5 tank]

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Small Tractor Beam I

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier
    Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier

    Shield Power Relay II
    Shield Power Relay II
    Shield Power Relay II
    Shield Power Relay II

    Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
    Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
    Medium Core Defence Field Purger II

    With a bit of swapping around, you can dual box almost all L5's using this and a shield throwing Tengu.
    pyfa's still being a bit crap, so can't test whether a shield harmonising Tengu + mindlink gives more effective tank than a less EHP/Resist / more shield throwing Tengu, but i doubt it.
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    Probably only beats the Tengu for EM/Therm missions which are still doable with a Tengu though, at least with max skills. Vs Kin/Therm the Tengu will outperform this, especially given its ability to kill webbing towers (gl hf doing that with autos).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itiken View Post
    Finally found something which the Loki tops the tengu at for PvE Content:
    Tanking Lvl5 missions - especially vs Amarr:
    If all you're going to do with it is sit still and tank, why not just use a (t2-fit) broadsword? It should have more than enough ehp/resists/regen, and won't cost you SP if you mess up and get caught.

    Also, grinding through L5s with only an RR tengu for (meaningful) DPS must be hellishly slow - are you sure you wouldn't be better off just blitzing L4s?

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