Lower north (VOTS, Geminate, Tribute, ...)

[Sophia]

Nice br, seems like a fun fight

You still play? Come back to me! (Loike)

Anyway, a quick BR. As always there were goon fleets about, maka wanted to have some fun, so we formed up a 100 man tornado fleet (comp ~70 T3 bcs, 20 support, 10 logis) and set dest to goon staging system. On the way there, we found one of the mixed CFC fleets that had just finished RF'ing a RDN pos and we went for it. Local topped at 400 when we jumped in, fleet maxed at 110. -A- KB shows 86 friendly vs 296 hostile.

We warp to a planet, and then at range to a moon where the CFC fleet was. Being in alpha tornados, our optimal ranges were between 30-100km, yet obviously didnt want to be particularly close to a drake zerg. The CFC guys seemed to have 2 seperate drake fleets, along with a Test bomber squad. For the next hour, there was a constant to and fro and in-grid warps from both as everyone tried to outposition the other fleet. Our primaries generally dropped in one to two volleys, but obviously it was hard to tank the volley from 100drakes at a time also. We did a good job of keeping hostile long range tackle off the field (lach's were immediately primaried), and dictors generally got instapopped when they landed.

CFC were a bit more reserved in their positioning, generally choosing to engage only when both fleets were close to us, whereas we were generally trying to isolate one gang at a time...so there was a lot of cat and mouse. For the first half an hour of the fight, we were raking in more kills than losses, but then the test bomber squad turned up The first two (possibly 3) runs of theirs were fairly poor, and either caught nobody or a couple, but at one point they had a fantastic run and killed a decent number of ships (not sure on exact numbers), including our main FC and damaged the rest of us massively causing us to bail (I was down to 1/3 armour due to mwd turning off promptly). We probably lost a few more in the few systems neighbouring EOY as we bailed benny hill style.

Either way, it was an extremely fun fight, k/d was basically even (largely due to the bombing runs),
-A- kb link:
https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=670822
~30 non -A- in our fleet, so losses are a bit higher (my corp lost another 4 bc's on top at least)

Eve-kill link:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12931946

First BR in ~2years

[Artjay]

The op :

Was fun and the back-up was highly appreciated

It amazes me how many people who read en24 take it as gospel. We have actually been doing pretty well, considering we are not and do not claim to be one of those 'elite' pvp alliance with shit tons of ISK ans supers to throw around, we have been holding our own against superior numbers. Everyday we (Brick) log in expect to see BWF SBU'ed and under siege form a massive blob, but our cockroach guerilla warfare seems to be wearing down PinkedCo.

The battle so neatly described by Lock was indeed the end of a long weekend for us, twice we had brought our abaddons to bear on a pinked fleet twice our size and yes, twice we had been beaten back. However not without cost to the enemy, they lost a significant portion of their support fleet during the two initial clashes on Friday night, they also lost a lot of stuff to our snipe & tackle (standard brick procedure when we are out gunned, if you blob us, we will harass the fuck out of your fleet and anyone who doesn't align/warp gets pointed by a hero bomber, we nabbed several armour BS, guardians). They also failed big-time when they were deploying SBU's and managed to loose about 50% of them due to not guarding them properly when going for the online.

Whereas fights on our own turf get us guys riled up and we exhaust every opportunity for defence, and replacing abaddons & support is not a problem since we live for the fight, the long night on Friday left PinkedCo. support fleet a real kitchen sink on Saturday which definitely contributed to their downfall in IOO.

I hope they bring it again this weekend and every weekend, BWF is shit for ISK, but good for fights, and that is why we will keep fighting for it.

[Cydo]

Raiden just dropped all of there sov (well almost).

Let the fun begin!

[Daneel Trevize]

They had ~60 in local and 3 cynos at a time on the station in Jan when we came back from a null roam.

[Marlona Sky]

Test really reset goons or is it just another bullshit troll?

[Traxio Nacho]

Test really reset goons or is it just another bullshit troll?

The bold should answer your question there.

[Smuggo]

So I guess now the classic NC is back but NCdot have replaced MM.

[StevieTopSiders]

Test really reset goons or is it just another bullshit troll?

My understanding is that TEST reset the CFC but for Goons. (So they're neutral to everyone, blue to goons.)

[Helen]

So I guess now the classic NC is back but NCdot have replaced MM.

Fight the enemy long enough and I guess you become them.

[Armyofme]

So I guess now the classic NC is back but NCdot have replaced MM.

Fight the enemy long enough and I guess you become them.

Sadly does seem to be the truth of things

[StevieTopSiders]

As EVOL's primetime number one commanding FC officer, I authorized a roam this evening with the intention of moving through Geminate, Kalavela Expanse, and Great Wildlands. My 5-man gang made it to the edge of Brick Squad space before we were set upon by a 20+ man Jagged Alliance gang. Warp-games were played until we finally killed an Eris and lost my ship and a Talos during a cross-jump.

http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=13504057

Not pictured on here are the 4-5 Scimitars, a Broadsword, and 'Canes/Drakes who aggressed us in another system as we gate-crashed. coughdirtyblobberscough

In other news, Geminate is decently good for the 10-20 man gang size. If your gang is too small, Brick will catch you in the BWF perma-hellcamp, and you might get a large gang undocked on you in Giantsbad.'s station systems, but as long as you can muscle your way through the station systems, you should be good.

[Artjay]

As EVOL's primetime number one commanding FC officer, I authorized a roam this evening with the intention of moving through Geminate, Kalavela Expanse, and Great Wildlands. My 5-man gang made it to the edge of Brick Squad space before we were set upon by a 20+ man Jagged Alliance gang. Warp-games were played until we finally killed an Eris and lost my ship and a Talos during a cross-jump.

http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=13504057

Not pictured on here are the 4-5 Scimitars, a Broadsword, and 'Canes/Drakes who aggressed us in another system as we gate-crashed. coughdirtyblobberscough

In other news, Geminate is decently good for the 10-20 man gang size. If your gang is too small, Brick will catch you in the BWF perma-hellcamp, and you might get a large gang undocked on you in Giantsbad.'s station systems, but as long as you can muscle your way through the station systems, you should be good.

Heh. The BWF perma-hellcamp is a brick training ground of sorts. Its manned 90% of the time by our -shall we politely say - less able but eager members. Otto and some other guy form hydra came in the other night and tore them a new one with a big trail of wrecks stretching like 200k off the gate. If you want to get your solo vs blobs action on its a perfect place to come down to

In other news it seems a civil war has started in Kalevela. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13504836

Giantsbane are all chest beaty about winning this fight in alliance mails despite all the killing being done by Elo Knight & crew on their behalf. I have been keeping an eye on these guys and Giantsbane have had really low numbers out pvping so its no surprise they are being purged tbh.

[StevieTopSiders]

As EVOL's primetime number one commanding FC officer, I authorized a roam this evening with the intention of moving through Geminate, Kalavela Expanse, and Great Wildlands. My 5-man gang made it to the edge of Brick Squad space before we were set upon by a 20+ man Jagged Alliance gang. Warp-games were played until we finally killed an Eris and lost my ship and a Talos during a cross-jump.

http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=13504057

Not pictured on here are the 4-5 Scimitars, a Broadsword, and 'Canes/Drakes who aggressed us in another system as we gate-crashed. coughdirtyblobberscough

In other news, Geminate is decently good for the 10-20 man gang size. If your gang is too small, Brick will catch you in the BWF perma-hellcamp, and you might get a large gang undocked on you in Giantsbad.'s station systems, but as long as you can muscle your way through the station systems, you should be good.

Heh. The BWF perma-hellcamp is a brick training ground of sorts. Its manned 90% of the time by our -shall we politely say - less able but eager members. Otto and some other guy form hydra came in the other night and tore them a new one with a big trail of wrecks stretching like 200k off the gate. If you want to get your solo vs blobs action on its a perfect place to come down to

In other news it seems a civil war has started in Kalevela. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13504836

Giantsbane are all chest beaty about winning this fight in alliance mails despite all the killing being done by Elo Knight & crew on their behalf. I have been keeping an eye on these guys and Giantsbane have had really low numbers out pvping so its no surprise they are being purged tbh.

Why does everyone in Geminate fly armor oracles? In fact, everyone seems to fly really bad doctrines. Brick has like 6 and they're all mediocre.

[Artjay]

You might want to check the kill boards a little more closely. Up until that fight, the only time I have seen non-brick in armour oracles in Gem is when AAA popped by once or twice. The rest use shield.

I guess its your opinion that Brick doctrines are mediocre, but looks like all Exolution roll is shield BC http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_deta...ons&m=5&y=2012 which is the peak of mediocrity is it not? (it is fun tho ofc).

The 1200 nado gangs we run are really fucking fun in my experience and the Lazerous fleet is just win win win when your fighting shield blobs and need to get the job done.

http://youtu.be/JhOds6SMHDI

http://youtu.be/lOvCLnVWEj8

Hellcats and A-hacs we occasionally bust out which are pretty standard and shield nano for roaming once in a while so we do mix it up.

What do you consider a good doctrine?

[StevieTopSiders]

You might want to check the kill boards a little more closely. Up until that fight, the only time I have seen non-brick in armour oracles in Gem is when AAA popped by once or twice. The rest use shield.

I guess its your opinion that Brick doctrines are mediocre, but looks like all Exolution roll is shield BC http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_deta...ons&m=5&y=2012 which is the peak of mediocrity is it not? (it is fun tho ofc).

The 1200 nado gangs we run are really fucking fun in my experience and the Lazerous fleet is just win win win when your fighting shield blobs and need to get the job done.

http://youtu.be/JhOds6SMHDI

http://youtu.be/lOvCLnVWEj8

Hellcats and A-hacs we occasionally bust out which are pretty standard and shield nano for roaming once in a while so we do mix it up.

What do you consider a good doctrine?

Ohgod, I've been called out. :v

EVOL uses shield BC's, because nothing beats the bang-to-buck ratio for our usual gang size (Me and the 1-3 people I can pester to log on).

As for Brick's doctrines.... I personally dislike Lazerous and LoHAC's, but otherwise they're all proven doctrines. I can't say why I dislike those two, but vOv

Also, we're blue, jsyk.

[Strelsky]

In other news it seems a civil war has started in Kalevela. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13504836

Giantsbane are all chest beaty about winning this fight in alliance mails despite all the killing being done by Elo Knight & crew on their behalf. I have been keeping an eye on these guys and Giantsbane have had really low numbers out pvping so its no surprise they are being purged tbh.

To my (limited) knowledge on this issue the unrest originated mainly from Giantsbane's leadership behaviour - their activity was questionable and when they did do something it was along the lines of them saying "hey, we need you to drop these systems so we can get jump bridges in them, kk?" or some shit like that. From what I understand they (GB.) were simply a pain to work with due to their bad attitude when dealing with their allies and at some point people got pissed enough to call in the reset.

As far as future development is involved, I suppose it will just come down to how long is Black Legion going to carry GB. Clearly BL's refined skills are more than capable of royally raping us, but on the other hand GB. don't really stand much of a chance on their own. The whole deal is a shame really, there are dudes in GB. that I liked.

[Vadeim Rizen]

While gearin up for another night of roaming, we were discussing where we wanted to go. Providence has slowly started to pick up action but for the most part we’ve killed everything we’ve seen, and fights are getting scarce. One of our alliance mates happened to scan down a WH that dropped us within a few jumps of Tribute. Only took about 10 seconds of convincing for everyone to hop on board, to the North we go!

Wasn’t long before we got some action. Shortly after ganking a Northern Coalition. Vigilant and Falcon that were gatecamping the low-sec entrance to null, NC. bridged an arty munin fleet of around 25-30 people. We scuffled briefly, caught a few stragglers, then it was time to go. We pay them a visit to their home system only to find station games with capitals so we move on.

After moving about 20 jumps and seeing nothing we started to question whether or not we should have ventured this far out, as it was already very late in the night and people were starting to get itchy to get home and go to bed.

Final destination is set. L-C307 is only about 8 jumps away so we head down that way to see what we can stir up there.

Didn’t take long for the Fatal Ascension guys to become interested. They make it obvious that they wanted to keep our attention as they would undock several ships, dock them up etc… then after about 5 minutes a Tengu undocks. Soon enough it becomes lockable and becomes another Exodus. kill mail.

That’s what really got their attention. Only a minute or 2 later the drake fleet warps in and we start burning, and killing everything we see:

http://exodus.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_r...ll_id=13582622

A total of 51 ships were killed totalling nearly 6 billion isk. Nothing was lost.

Was a very fun fight and props to Fatal Ascension for bringing us a fight. Look forward to another round soon enough.

[Daneel Trevize]

Let me tell you about being chased by that NC arty fleet (when we've already welped on them for an attempted gf & been reduced to pods) for a solid 15+ minutes including abusing JBs just to head us off repeatedly. Actually I'll let Mangala do the official RvB write-up, but fucking hell I've never ever seen a worse waste of an actually comped fleet's time than chasing noob pods about in HACs & Cynabals + plenty of Scimis & bubblers. I guess why actually do something nullsec-related with a many-bil-isk fleet when you can just try blap empty pods in otherwise-empty space, risk free? Kill mail efficiency, elite pvp srs bsns

[Smuggo]

Let me tell you about being chased by that NC arty fleet (when we've already welped on them for an attempted gf & been reduced to pods) for a solid 15+ minutes including abusing JBs just to head us off repeatedly. Actually I'll let Mangala do the official RvB write-up, but fucking hell I've never ever seen a worse waste of an actually comped fleet's time than chasing noob pods about in HACs & Cynabals + plenty of Scimis & bubblers. I guess why actually do something nullsec-related with a many-bil-isk fleet when you can just try blap empty pods in otherwise-empty space, risk free? Kill mail efficiency, elite pvp srs bsns

NCdot is basically Morsus Mihi so not really surprising.