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    Quote Originally Posted by cullnean View Post
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    You're right. I'll play some aram, and get back into the swing of things.
    I'm playing aram pretty exclusively, but I was a bloodlines player as well,

    Ap sona in aram is megalolz, aram also forces you to play champs that arnt your norm and when you go back into normals the pace seems slower as well,

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    The thing is, summoners rift games SHOULD be a lot more active, and if you subscribe to the "korean meta going to take over", they will be. Being of the mindset that a fight could happen at any time from ARAM is a good thing imo.
    They say the team with 10%more gold at 10 minutes wins 90% of the time (or something like that), but in my experience the team that has more map presence is in the 10% that will catch up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voulture View Post
    Smash them in faces.
    (Unless you were being serious, i can do guide to solo top jax, just tell me).
    Please, I would love to pick him up but I am pretty lost

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    the only way to carry fhc, gangplank mid, full damage build, zero tank. rape game

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    Did you post that before the game finished or something?

    I trolled myself into supporting and remembered why I never do it.


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    i had a premonition

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    the only way to carry fhc, gangplank mid, full damage build, zero tank. rape game
    It's not the only way :P

    But midplank is 100% viable, when people 5 they should experiment more imo, J4 Taric bot so lolstrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudden View Post
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    You're right. I'll play some aram, and get back into the swing of things.
    I'm playing aram pretty exclusively, but I was a bloodlines player as well,

    Ap sona in aram is megalolz, aram also forces you to play champs that arnt your norm and when you go back into normals the pace seems slower as well,

    Tapatalk crew
    Every few ARAMs you'll still get the guys who sperg if you get a negative K/D with a champ you dont play.
    My favourite thing to do in that case is find some other guy on your team just having fun and challenge him to races where you see who can make it further down the map before dying.

    Great fun and it pisses off the ragers even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sudden View Post
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    You're right. I'll play some aram, and get back into the swing of things.
    I'm playing aram pretty exclusively, but I was a bloodlines player as well,

    Ap sona in aram is megalolz, aram also forces you to play champs that arnt your norm and when you go back into normals the pace seems slower as well,

    Tapatalk crew
    Every few ARAMs you'll still get the guys who sperg if you get a negative K/D with a champ you dont play.
    My favourite thing to do in that case is find some other guy on your team just having fun and challenge him to races where you see who can make it further down the map before dying.

    Great fun and it pisses off the ragers even more.
    So what you are saying is you deliberately troll and feed? Great plan


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    Quote Originally Posted by TroN View Post
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    You're right. I'll play some aram, and get back into the swing of things.
    I'm playing aram pretty exclusively, but I was a bloodlines player as well,

    Ap sona in aram is megalolz, aram also forces you to play champs that arnt your norm and when you go back into normals the pace seems slower as well,

    Tapatalk crew
    Every few ARAMs you'll still get the guys who sperg if you get a negative K/D with a champ you dont play.
    My favourite thing to do in that case is find some other guy on your team just having fun and challenge him to races where you see who can make it further down the map before dying.

    Great fun and it pisses off the ragers even more.
    So what you are saying is you deliberately troll and feed? Great plan


    It's an ARAM, it's supposed to be for fun. If half the team is having fun charging down the bridge and the other team is having fun catching them what's your issue?

    The rager will just rage anyways. They tend to start in champ select and not stop all game.

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    So AP Eve can be a lot of fun for picking off targets especially in Dom where the pace is quicker and you always have a bottom lane to gank. I've 3-shot champions from full hp with ~400AP and (the real key) lots of magic penetration, and since it all scales off of the enemies HP they can't do a thing about it except get enough MR that I'm forced to switch to Void Staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudden View Post
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    Smash them in faces.
    (Unless you were being serious, i can do guide to solo top jax, just tell me).
    Please, I would love to pick him up but I am pretty lost
    This. Also would appreciate some insight on Riven and Wukong

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    jungle morgana ranked soloq carry, np

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    jungle morgana ranked soloq carry, np
    quiet faggot im thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hehulk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sudden View Post
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    Smash them in faces.
    (Unless you were being serious, i can do guide to solo top jax, just tell me).
    Please, I would love to pick him up but I am pretty lost
    This. Also would appreciate some insight on Riven and Wukong
    Wukong: 9/x/9, Riven 9/21/0 or 21/9/0 (id prefer 21/9 i think). Flat AD reds+quints, Riven scales with ad on everything, Wukong gets free %arpen.

    Summoners Ignite+Flash or Ignite+Heal (both have insanely good escapes)

    Wukong maxes E-W-Q-E-E-R (or W first)

    Riven maxes Q-E-Q-W-Q-R (or max E in a lane youre losing)

    Both push super hard if they decide to trade (Riven more so), so consider pushing early and backing at 550 for a single dorans and a ward.

    Both build fairly similar, too. Boots+pots->double dorans blade->hexdrinker/ninja taibi-> from there on its variable, but youre looking at Mallet, Maw, GA, BT, LW. If you get a GP5, get HoG for Randuins.

    Riven can and has to go super agressive early. Dont forget to autoattack between Q so you dont waste passive stacks. Wukong is more defensive, at lvl3 he can trade (unless youre against Lee, but then youre fucked anyways). Wukongs Q reset AA if i remember correctly, so consider if you want to go for the quick harass (charge Q-E-W out) or challenge them (E-AA-Q).

    Neither of them really wants to be the first to initiate teamfights unless you catch someone out of position, rather let your tanky jungler initiate and look for people that are bunched up / jump their carry.
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    I have no idea about wukong, i know the basics but i am in no position to write anything. As for jax / riven they are my two favourite top laners alon with akali and i htink i might give you some feedback. Obviously, as for Riven there is this guide on solomid by wingofdeath who is one if not the best riven i ngame. He put some retarded amount of information into it, would be cool to check it out of you need something more then what i typed.

    JAX



    King of toplane, you want to go 19/11/0 on him, do take armor pen and crit on him and all ad masteries. Take 0 ap ones, they are all bad on jax. You don;t need mana pool and not taking dmg reduction in defence for top lane is just bad. Depending on your matchup you take 3 points in armor or in mr, 1 in though skin, 5 in hps and 2 in indomitable. Most underrated and one of strongest masteries in game. Sole reason you are taking 11 points here. Usually boots 4 pots wins every matchup but you might have to take cloth 5 pots against some high armor ones like dunno, olaf, wukong, riven. It's more risky htough. Flash/ghost + ignite is best combo. You can't run ghost against every champion, as above, take it only if you are certain you won't get punished for doing so. Ad/arp quints and reds, flat armor and flat mr is the way to go. Point is you want to skill everything into attack damage as it allows you to farm easy and makes your enemies unable to itemize vs you.

    His early game is just unbelievably strong. W is your priority but you might have to start with Q. Usually i go WQEWWR with R>W>Q, leaving E at lvl 1 as it gives you exactly nothing. His trading power is just lolz. Do not waste mana to farm, just auto for cs leaving all mana to poke. If enemy bruiser come close, auto, instantly W him for huge harass. W resets autoattack cd but most importantly got consumed on Q jumps. Which is why jax wins all over kayle / kennen. You come close to them, use W jump on them and watch them lose half of hps. Just do not forget to auto after that, Q have no cd on attacks. If you play vs very good laner you might have to put E into trades. you can activate it just before you jump on or just walk into them if they can't cc you. Always trade with auto + w. Your mana pool is low but you need to learn how to conserve it to win lane. Usually i would buy 1-2 doran's blade early to let me snowball harder + dodge boots if you are against hard laners like riven. Otherwise merc threads are good but you don;t have to rush them. While transitioning to midgame you should aim to complete at least one of those items, if you do well you should have 2 eaily. Cutlass / Phage / Hex. I can't stress enough how good cutlass + phage is vs bruisers and i would get vs most top ap's as well. As i said, you need no ap so please do not upgrade it to gunblade ever. You get huge lifesteal, huge dmg + burstslow for 1800g. Do not get revolver it sucks. Phage is perfect item on him as you need to stick to targets. Hex is good vs big magic dmg teams, you can always just get 400 gold mantle to help and still finish blade + phage.

    Your midgame / endgame items are as followed: triforce cutlass boots 2 dorans. This is like, best core possible. You won't get it every game, sometimes you will have to switch to lategame items faster but if you can farm it fast buy it. If not, leave at cutlass phage and transition into tank items. Jax does not need more dps then that (+ optional hex). He needs warmog and ga. Of course as usually, be reasonable, sometimes belt + 700g armor vest is enough to tank, you do not need to finish both of them. Keep it down to your own game decisions. Best endgame build is boots, cutlass, triforce, warmog, ga, hex. Buy red/green pots at this point. Might finish hex into maw. Or get omen instead of hex if agaisnt fed carries. Finish cutlass into gunblade if you got triple pot all other items oracle and 3k gold free. Not sooner.

    Your task in fights is to assassinate ad carry. This is when your E matter, even if it's 6 i tems overfed graves you still shit on him with E up. Jump in, zone and kill. You will get focused but that's why you got your ult and warmog and ga. Ap carry is a good one to kill as well if he missposition. This is also why you don;t need any other dps items, with your mix of magic and physical dmg and ability to stick to any target and to close gap between yourself and target he will die anyway. Do never forget how important are wards on jax. Always carry 1 or 2 as you can always ward + Q to escape over walls etc. Or to chase. And that's pretty much it.


    RIVEN



    Riven is much harder to play and much harder to get her flow. You need to understand how strong she is early and how to use it to gain advantage. This is hard cause this is risky. She got many losing lineups and you need to learn them. If you are a pro riven you should do at least tied vs most of them though, she just got much steeper learning curve. Two things to understand on her - her passive stacks make your autos very strong. Do auto attack between abilities. Cast, auto, cast, auto, cast, auto. Especially on Q, you can cast it 3 times and you should aim to get 3 autos there. That combo at lvl 1 is usually worth like 400 points of damage. It instantly burn 2 pots if someone is dumb enough to let you do that. Second thing is her shield. It does scale with ad. So yes, you need damage items to make her good.

    I usually start 19/11/0 as with jax masteies although she does not use any crit items so there is no reason to take 5 poiunts there - better get 4x cdr + one in dmg to creeps or something. Defense mysteries are obvious (if not chec jax guide). Sometimes you can start Doran's blade and be aggressive as fuck early pushing and forcing your enemies to farm udner tower early. It's good if you know how to use it and when to back to buy. Boots 4 pots is most reasonable, cloth 5 pot vs some champs. Skills depends on lineups. Usually you want to max Q leaving shield at lvl 1and maxing W after. Sometimes it won;t work and you will have to put some points into shield / stun leaving Q at lvl 1. Check wing's guide for some examples, usually Q(W/E or E/W)QQR is best and gives you msot harass + farm power. Riven pushes whole lane while harassing enemy champion between creeps with her sick aoe and yu can do that if you want it pushes. Early game you might want to get dodge boots against bruiser or cdr ones if you are ahead or not upgrade at all leaving it for later mercs. 1-2 doran's is never bad although she might not need it that hard. Good early pick, especially with cdr boots is brut but mostly work only if you dominate lane already. Hex is okish vs ap casters. For exemple Riven is one of not many champs that wins vs Vlad. usually i would do boots into doran + 2x mantle into 2 dorans, hex mercs + life vamp. You get the point. Thats all for early items, cutlass is kinda overrated on her, will tell you later why. Wriggles is.... dunno. I don't like wriggles on Riven but since many people on higher tiers buy it sometimes i guess it might have a point vs same bruisers like renekton. Always use flash ignite. No compromises.

    She got one core item. Midgame goal. Lategame powerhouse. Bloodthirster. I cannot stress how good it is on her. How much you gain from lifesteal and how all your skills got good ad ration including shield (!!!). Yes, shield got 1.0 ad ratio meaning fully stacked bt gives you 100 hp more every dash and it got 6 sec cd without reduction. It's 3.5 sec lategame if you got cdr. Some people get more then one bt and well if you can get away with that why not but getting lategame items might be wiser usually. Good lategame items are: maw, mallet, ga, omen, last whisper, warmog. Pick ones you need. Standard game would look like this: boots -> dodge boots 2 dorans vamp scepter -> dodge boots, 2 dorans, bloodthirster -> dodge boots, 2 dorans, bt, ga, mallet -> + lw. ->>> dodge boots, bt, mallet, lw, ga, maw. Red pot is king on her. Use it later. keep famirng and pushing.

    Cool tricks on riven - QQ during last Q in flight flash to enemy for instant ministun initiation. You just need to press flash just before last Q lands. No way enemy can predict that. It's like old bug with tristana jump. Ok, that's a dumb trick who would waste flash for that except voult. Standard trick. RE. No really. Only way toskip ult animation is dash and it's good. Do not hesitate to use ult a lot, not only if you know you going to finish enemy. Wait with wing till very end, the less hp on enemy the more dmg. Sometimes it's worth to use it when enemy back to base, you can clear whole lane in seconds. Farm creep tricks QQQW. Yeah not really hard one but if you press W just after last Q it cancel animation and stun creeps before Qpush them away. Which is neat. Pretty much same as jax role - you want to rape enemy carries although you do not hesitate to roll over tanks for that. You are far too mobile to be stopped that easily. You are squishy in lategame fights so please do not initiate unless you know very well how to and when to. She really is hard to play but very rewarding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cullnean View Post
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    jungle morgana ranked soloq carry, np

    quiet faggot im thinking
    Duoqueue, it was duo.

    3x easy carry from voult. Edna's jungle morgana op, much better then his udyr although i saw some similarities like 0 ganking, 0 wards, 0 drakes 0 map presence 1 never leaving jungle and never giving buffs jungler. :3
    Lost 150 elo to decay on mugen, time to get gold back.
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    P.standard Edna play npnp. Have played a lot of monkey, will add some thoughts when home.

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    ganking is overrated. jungle morg is basically farm jungle, take all buffs for entire game, spend as much time stealing cs in top lane as possible, never die, win game.

    disclaimer ; only works with cooking morgana



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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    the only way to carry fhc, gangplank mid, full damage build, zero tank. rape game
    Played with a mid GP last night, was pretty hilarious. He also went full damage and raped.
    I'm sure it's frustrating to be sperging about how someone said "no, not doing that yet" - but we've had 7 years to learn to pace ourselves after killing a block. And I dare say -- we've gotten quite good at it.

    Sorry if it doesn't suit the armchair generals who have never committed to anything for more than 2 months, but by now we've learned that we really don't give a shit about what you think v0v.

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    Havent played wu in a while but he was my old main 6 months ago and hes still my highest win rate ranked champ at 26-13. I ran 9/21 masteries with iirc AD quints/ armor pen reds/ armor yellow/ flat mr blue. I would run ignite/flash or ignite/heal, usually ignite/heal. Also cloth +5 against all bruisers since wu has 0 sustain. EQEW max E, unless against ganking jungler then get W earlier.

    Starting at level 2/3 with ignite/heal you can all in any champ that didnt also start cloth, if he fights you he dies. Combo is not e->q->w like you might think, its W--->AA+Q+E+AAs, or aa->q->e->AAs. E->Q->W works except costs like 1/2 your mana pool and doesn't do a ton of damage because you dont take advantage of the armor shred from Q or the attack speed buff from E. With both buffs (attack speed and armor shred), you attack 35% faster and do almost true damage if they don't have cloth. Even if you don't get a kill, you should do massive damage to them, and if they do not have heavy sustain you can just all-in again at lvl 6 with ur ult + ignite + heal and even dive them at turret for an easy kill.

    Anyways I would turn cloth into wriggles vs hard lane otherwise tabi. Almost never got wriggles, instead 2x dorans, brutalizer, bloodthirster, GA. Basically, build him like a riven. Also consider phage instead of brutalizer if you are getting kited a lot, but with your gap closer, ult movespeed bonus, and ridiculous damage you can usually kill someone before they can even get away. Your ult does INSANE damage mid game if you build pure damage, and if you get fed you can absolutely destroy entire teams midgame. His ult has a 4.8(!!!) AD ratio if you land the full duration, which makes him ridic comboing with champs like mumu or malph.

    Other option is you can mid with wu and play/build him similar to talon or panth mid, go 21/9, boots +3, and just shit on their mid with your gapclose and Q, get fed, gank side lanes, win game.

    Again I haven't played this in like 6+ months so nfi if its still good, but just dont build wu as a tank. He has good/ridiculous AD ratios on 3 of his skills and gets free tankyness from his ult.
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