LOL- Magic man thread (AP Champs)

[Lilalaunebör]

Abyssal is probably the most op early game item ever. Have to agree with Edna there.

[FourFiftyFour]

You're probably right. I just believe in building to fit play style as well as countering the opposition.

My build is probably not optimal but it's what I succeed with so I'm loathe to change until I can succeed no more.

I play karth passively because I know how easy it is to get on the slippery slope of feeding with him.

So while I may not be able dominate early, I know I can still carry late.

Also, I hardly play him anymore unless I'm doing premades.

[filingo]

i rush ROA on karth - fuck da tear and learn how to aim n0oB

boots 3 -> cata -> roa -> rylais/hat some shit

[FourFiftyFour]

Lol. The tear is for defile not lay waste.

[Nobody_Holme]

Lol. The tear is for defile not lay waste.

Learn to aim your aoes, noob.

[filingo]

Lol. The tear is for defile not lay waste.

Learn to aim your aoes, noob.

this,

noob

edit : you shouldnt be using defile that much early game anyway, you last hit like a mother with q anyway

[FourFiftyFour]

It's not that you need tear for early game defile. You get it early to begin charging it so you can use defile extensively in the early team fighting stage. .

[Voulture]

I don't think you really need tear, in engame you are going to die before getting oom and that's fine. That's your job. Problem with abysall rylai build up is shitty map dmg. No honestly, abysall is an aura item, that's 150ap combined for 6k gold. Karthus is not ahri, nor cass. He needs ap for global presence. Roa rush not only help your sustain in lane, make you harder to gank but as farmthus you can get it so quick it will finish charging before 25. Buying deathcap after maybe does not make you that hard to kill as abysall rylai but you will have 300 ap from items alone not to mention 30% boost to your mastery/rune ones. And by this point while having much more impact on the map without leaving your lane. And fuck this, that's only 1k gold difference.

[evil edna]

yeah in my build im trading global ulti presence for domination in early game teamfights, which imo is more useful.

with the nerfs to his ulti cooldowns i think thats my build is only going to get more useful.

[filingo]

>implying edna will join in team fights before he has phantom dancer

[TroN]

Or use his ult for anything but ksing

[Kanv]

Or use his ult for anything but ksing

Kill securing

[FourFiftyFour]

So I've been playing a fair bit of swain lately and am starting to think that zhonyas has to be core on him.

[Ophichius]

DFG. DFG is so amazing on Swain it's not even funny. Damage amp -> DFG -> oh was that 80% of your health?

-O

[FourFiftyFour]

Holy shit items can take advantage of his E too?

[Raxxman]

Holy shit items can take advantage of his E too?

AFK everything takes advantage.

including ignite.

[Voulture]

Although ignite is a bug and it's going to be fixed or got fixed. But yeah, dfg works. Problem is that there are so many other items on Swain that work just as good.I just usually get roa -> dcap on him and after that depending, defence items, rylai or dfg.

[Serious Bob]

Ignite is a bug? I thought it was intended, used it loads with poppy for a long time.

[Voulture]

I saw a red post on reddit some weeks ago. Apparently ignite dmg should not be amplified or decreased by any sources. Not only it is affected by poppy's / swain's skills but also for exhaust for exemple. It's was not intended.

[FUzziBabes]

Someone was asking me how I play Kennen so I will just dump this here.

Runes:
Vs AP: Magic pen reds, health / lvl yellows, flat magic res blues, flat AP purples
Vs Bruiser/Attack Damage: Magic pen reds, flat armour yellows, magic pen blues, flat AP purples

I play with the idea of doing AP/lvl vs bruisers but I feel that they are going to be stacking magic res straight out the bat sometimes having 50 MR at level 1 so the extra magic pen helps out with W passive, E, W, Q combos for harrasing early.

Masteries:
Vs AP: Most of the time its 21 9 0, taking the improved ignite and the obvious AP choices in offence and then 1 armour, 3 magic res, 4 health / lvl and the flat health in defence.
Vs Bruiser/Attack Damage: 21 9 0 taking more armour then MR in defence or 21 0 9 taking improved flash, flat energy, MS and improved buff duration. If I feel I can bully my lane opponent because between my stuns and E I can get away from them I will take utility as the defence stats are wasted early and I may as well get more MS/Energy. If my lane opponent is a ranged like Kayle, nidalee or whatever and they can happily hit me I will take armour as it can be very helpful.

Items:

My general item build tends to be Boots + pots -> Hextech revolver -> Abyssal/Rylai's, if I don't get Rylai's first I will build it after Abyssal although thats only really for mid lane -> Deathcap/Void Staff/Hourglass. Don't be afraid to build a Chain Vest versus a bruiser top if you are taking a bit of bullying, just leave it there till you want hourglass.

When it comes to skills at top if I am versus a melee I will always max Q and everytime they come in for a CS harass them, just keep harrasing and ruining their day but in mid I am tending to max W instead now as its a lot easier to hit them but I'm torn between Q and W at the moment. Max E last and take R whenever you can obviously.

I tend to always try and get my W passive up then land a W proc, tag with E, W and while they are stunned land a Q, do this a couple times and then balls deep with ultimate.
Never use your ultimate to initiate unless you have a massive advantage/your team WILL save you/you have hourglass, whenever you press E in a teamfight you HAVE to hit someone, doesn't matter who just tag someone so you can get the energy back otherwise you will run short of energy very quickly.

Thats pretty much a crash course on FUzzi's kennen, but just as a note for the people who play him AD in top or bot, STOP DOING IT. I literally fucking hate AD Kennen, I just feel that in bot lane there are so many better options as none of his abilities scale with AD apart from his W proc.
And if you are in top lane just build AP and deal TONS OF DAMAGE, one of the best parts of kennen is how slippery he is with his E being really hard to catch and how long the range is on his Q and W, so after he has ulti'd he can run out of range and just smash heads in.

Thats how I feel anyway...

edit: Stupid smileys