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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, PvP, Plate+Rep, 220s, 100mn]

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
    Corpus A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
    Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
    Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
    Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkus Volundar
    [Loki, Unprobable - 3 links (null)]
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    [empty high slot]
    Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Why would one choose core probes in the link-ship over the sensor str sub (dissolution sequencer)? Also wouldn't low friction nozzle rigs be better, as in most cases only align time matters (as you want to GTFO to a safe before anyone decloaks you)?


    [Loki, link loki]
    Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II

    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    [empty high slot]
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

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    Re: Loki

    Haven't seen a web shield fit yet.

    [Loki, Vuginn]
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    Large Shield Extender II
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    Small Energy Neutralizer II
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers


    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    This is a fit my corpmates theory crafted, and we have had great results with in 0.0 small gangs. Its like a vagabond/huginn hybrid, that we throw on to PODLA inspired vaga+drake fleets in small gangs.
    It's nice not having to sacrifice dps to bring a rapier/huginn along. It is rather sexy when we fly together with a link drake with web/point link.

    +good dps, fast, webs
    -crappy sensor strength, not as fast as vaga, not as webby as recons

    Originally flew it with a polycarb + extra nano, but opted for the 2nd te+extra shield rig when I'm flying beside a vaga.
    Also, you can downgrade to 3x 220mm 3x 425mm to fit a med neut, which i think i would if its like under 3-4 pilots

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    Re: Loki

    This is a similar fit to above but I like the large tanks T3 can put out for their size.

    [Loki, Lopier]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    This fit has around 80 less DPS, but 26k EHP more. Even if you drop the DC to nano still has 12k EHP more. And is also cap stable with MWD, web, point and invul running so can survive a certain amount of neuting, but you shouldn't be that close anyway.

    Just for those that want a little more survivability.

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by depili
    Why would one choose core probes in the link-ship over the sensor str sub (dissolution sequencer)? Also wouldn't low friction nozzle rigs be better, as in most cases only align time matters (as you want to GTFO to a safe before anyone decloaks you)?
    Because it doesn't need the dissolution sequencer if fitted properly and having a ship with a bonused EXPANDED probe launcher is beyond useful, I don't have access to my fit presently, but as i stole it from cant remember where I have no problem posting it when I get a chance. The core probe launcher on a non pointing pew ship is pretty useless truthfully. I only use a core launcher on my scouting dram for sov space.

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    Re: Loki

    Well after taking the time to throw them into eft the dissolution sequencer also takes away one of the much needed mid slots in exchange for a low.

    [Loki, gang boost x3]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I

    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

    ^^ my present fit, requires a kmb50 to fit and ofc the appropriate mindlink. 107 sens to 93 sig with boosts running 107 sens to 106 sig without boosts so should be unprobable with or without gangmates in system. I primarily use this in wh presently but its also just as effective in k-space high/low/null.

    [Loki, gang boost x4]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector

    ^^ requires kmb75 and i haven't actually used the fit. to make the above fit MOSTLY unprobeable you need to use jackal implants and the fit isn't nullified(as dickish as the nullifier is this ship has no tank and costs a few hundred mil) ccc is for cap stability you dont want your gang links turning off due to you running out of cap as you need to use the less cap stable sub for better pwgd.

    sens:
    lg jackal 1-5: 79.1 (best cost per effect)
    hg jackal 1-5: 81.8
    base: 61.1

    sig: 93.4

    I'm personally not sure at what exact ratio the fit becomes truly unprobeable.

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Talinthi
    I'm personally not sure at what exact ratio the fit becomes truly unprobeable.
    viewtopic.php?f=14&t=384

    Sig radius divided by Sensor strength must be <1.08
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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, Vaga Rapier]
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    Domination 10MN MicroWarpdrive
    Domination Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers


    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    I'm looking forward to flying this at some point soonish.

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgy Past
    [Loki, Vaga Rapier]

    I'm looking forward to flying this at some point soonish.
    Stay away from lokis(or other web ships) and curses and you should do fine though I think you might want some more mids for tank as the Loki is substantially slower and less agile than the vaga. Also the faction neut is pretty pointless might as well just get an unstable it'll cost you a hell of a lot less as the faction mediums barely give you 1km extra range. I personally fly an armor Loki for the dual web awesomeness it provides.

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    Re: Loki

    Already got a faction neut lying around so may still use it, but I see your point.

    I'd fly it pretty much like a Vaga, just using the web for utility. It's only slightly slower ( 2483 vs 2862 ) and less agile ( 5 vs. 4.6 ), and I've only lost 1 vaga for over 200 kills. 6m of cap vs. 1m 25 with mwd and w/out neut does mean you can motor a lot more.

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    Re: Loki

    IMO you pretty much need the Interdiction Nullfier for a T3 command ship. If you're warping around worrying about bubbles you're a. not going to be able to devote as much attention to piloting your main and b. going to to get caught eventually.

    So...

    [Loki, Command]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Co-Processor II

    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

    You can drop the current router rig if you use a +3% PG implant. Unprobable if you're getting bonuses.

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro
    IMO you pretty much need the Interdiction Nullfier for a T3 command ship. If you're warping around worrying about bubbles you're a. not going to be able to devote as much attention to piloting your main and b. going to to get caught eventually.

    So...

    [Loki, Command]

    You can drop the current router rig if you use a +3% PG implant. Unprobable if you're getting bonuses.
    you get better grid and more than enough cap from a ccc and the heating sub though thats just preference i guess but better to have enough cap and a heating bonus than just enough cap no?? also I would try to spare the cpu to fit an expanded probe launcher as your unprobeable alt could become even more useful if used properly to squad/wing warp to folks at bounce spots on gates. I've seen podla use these tactics several times. personally i prefer the 3 link booster as it can easilly field the bonused probe launcher while remaining nullified and all.

    edit: does anyone have the exact formula or ratio where a ship becomes impossible to probe out??

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Talinthi
    edit: does anyone have the exact formula or ratio where a ship becomes impossible to probe out??
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacefalm
    Quote Originally Posted by Talinthi
    I'm personally not sure at what exact ratio the fit becomes truly unprobeable.
    viewtopic.php?f=14&t=384

    Sig radius divided by Sensor strength must be <1.08
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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Talinthi
    Quote Originally Posted by Astro
    IMO you pretty much need the Interdiction Nullfier for a T3 command ship. If you're warping around worrying about bubbles you're a. not going to be able to devote as much attention to piloting your main and b. going to to get caught eventually.

    So...

    [Loki, Command]

    You can drop the current router rig if you use a +3% PG implant. Unprobable if you're getting bonuses.
    you get better grid and more than enough cap from a ccc and the heating sub though thats just preference i guess but better to have enough cap and a heating bonus than just enough cap no?? also I would try to spare the cpu to fit an expanded probe launcher as your unprobeable alt could become even more useful if used properly to squad/wing warp to folks at bounce spots on gates. I've seen podla use these tactics several times. personally i prefer the 3 link booster as it can easilly field the bonused probe launcher while remaining nullified and all.

    edit: does anyone have the exact formula or ratio where a ship becomes impossible to probe out??
    Yeah, if that subsystem works then why not. It's basically either 4 links and no probe launcher or 3 links with probe launcher, take your pick.

    Another guy in my corp likes the 3 link probe launcher fit and it works great.

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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, MINE shield?! 2 2]
    Damage Control II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Dark Blood Warp Disruptor

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5


    Replacing the TE with a PDS will give the pg for a full rack of 220s, but it doesnt need the cap and doesn't benefit much from the EHP, so I'm thinking TE and mixed gun is better? 28km point is so you're still pointing things if you overheat it and the webs.
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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, MINE shield?! 2 2]
    Damage Control II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Warp Disruptor II

    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
    Small Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    tempted to try this out

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    Re: Loki

    Slower, less agile, ~10%less EHP, random non-meta4/t2 60% webs when there's no CPU issues. All for ~15more dps and 9km falloff. Worth it? I don't know, I lack the experience.
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    Re: Loki

    You know you couldve just said "hey t2 webs fit too"

    That said id probably ditch the poly rig and a TE for a nano like your fit. 425mms have pretty good falloff to begin with and transversal is a nonissue vs dualwebbed targets. The rig slot can be projectitle turret rig if it fits, otherwise cdfe/t2 resists.

    I dont really like the small neut either. Usually neuts are for anti tackle but you have your webs for that, and anything else is either too far for the neut, or doesnt even feel the small one. Perhaps put offlined repper for the drones and upgrade another gun? Dont have eft on hand but i think that fits.

    One problem i see with both fits is that they dont really look like they can handle missile boats well. Drone/gun boats should be easier due to superior range control, but a :loldraek: will just blast you I think
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    Re: Loki

    At least it can run right? I mean, what's a fast missile boat with good tackle that I might be forgetting?

    I stated the differences because I want to know if people have experienced that such trade offs are worth it. Yeah the webs I couldn't see any reason other than juggling for a mod that got swapped last minute before posting.
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    Re: Loki

    Small neut is pointless. Cloak is handy for soloing and is what I use in my utility high. Go with faction webs too, it's very much worth it to be able to web something past overheated point range.

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