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    [PVP] Loki

    setups i use.

    cloaky
    if someone else/alt does the probing, switch to tactical targeting network and medium nos, for faster targeting and keeping tackle under neuts. for pure tackle, use capacitor regen matrix for an extra utility mid.

    [Loki, cloak]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Warp Scrambler II
    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding

    super tanked shield cane variant
    [Loki, shield pvp]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Damage Control II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Medium Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
    Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Warrior II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5



    super plated webber

    [Loki, armor]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Corpum A-Type Energized Magnetic Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    1600mm Steel Plates II

    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


    Hornet EC-300 x5
    Hobgoblin II x5
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    Re: Loki

    I have prozacxx's 100mn ab loki fit on my computer at home , could post it later..

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    Re: Loki

    P sure he's lost this:

    [Loki, Prozacxx's Loki]
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

    Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Warrior II x5
    Warrior II x5
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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, Unprobable - 4 links (null)]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor

    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity
    Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer

    [Loki, Unprobable - 3 links (null)]
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    [empty high slot]
    Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer


    [Loki, Unprobable - 4 links (Empire)]
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor
    Dread Guristas Co-Processor

    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

    Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer


    [Loki, Unprobable - 3 links (Empire)]
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II
    Co-Processor II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Command Processor I
    Command Processor I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers
    Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
    [empty high slot]
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

    Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

    Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
    Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer


    Well, they meet the unprobable theroy but I've not been able to test the theory myself.

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    Re: Loki

    the theory is fine, you just have to remember to turn the links on and have someone from the squad in your system for them to be applied

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    Re: Loki

    I was refering to the virtuous probing part of the theroy but yes

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    Now I have a T2 gun. Ho, ho, ho.

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize
    P sure he's lost this:

    [Loki, Prozacxx's Loki]
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener

    Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
    Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    Warrior II x5
    Warrior II x5
    iirc from prozacxx fit he had 1 thermic or explosive hardener and no kinetic hardener probably just 1 more gyro , will be home in a few hours so can upload it then

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    Re: Loki

    It's a loki, of course he plugged the kinetic hole. :P
    ATM I'm trying out something similar, but with the DC swapped for a second gyro. I don't plan to kite pirates for 30mins without reps and film it.

    I had previously crafted this for w-space stand up fights:
    [Loki, w-space brawls?]
    Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
    Dark Blood Energized Magnetic Membrane
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Disruptor II
    Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    Cap stable with mwd on, but you have to use your current cap and webs to just get out of a curse's range in time to regen cap to keep on running, which I didn't like. Screws up a proteus royally though.
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    Re: Loki

    [Loki, 100mn loki]
    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
    True Sansha Warp Scrambler
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
    'Ditch' Medium Energy Neutralizer I

    Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    stats: [Statistics - All lvl5]

    Effective HP: 86*404 (92 863)
    Tank Ability: 153,94 DPS
    Damage Profile - <Omni-Damage> (EM: 25,00%, Ex: 25,00%, Ki: 25,00%, Th: 25,00%)
    Shield Resists - EM: 88,52%, Ex: 84,23%, Ki: 81,08%, Th: 81,63%
    Armor Resists - EM: 91,50%, Ex: 23,50%, Ki: 36,25%, Th: 72,38%

    Speed: 1935,73 (2784,84)

    Capacitor: Stable at 35,62% (with ab active, but with neut inactive)

    Volley Damage: 1*414,37
    DPS: 759,08 (858,09)

    implants: MX-2 and G2-delta

    was thinking about getting this, you guys reckon it be worth flying?
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    Re: Loki

    Yep i was wrong that was the correct fit im sry

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    Re: Loki

    Losvar, try a T2 equiv on Sisi, use snakes to get the speed, see that you can't use the ab and reliably keep that scram on anyone, you'd either have to sit at point blank not moving, or have no transv and have them let you keep up with them, or decide to try to make range and flee with no web and no cap booster to recover if you get capped out. Can you kill what can tackle you? Can you tackle what you can kill?

    I proposed that dual web+eccm+stable mwd fit above because at least being able to keep 2 long webs on someone allows you to move away if solo, and with some reasonable agility and said webs you have a good chance of not being scrambled to start with (unless against Gal recons or lots of frigs with scrams I guess. At least you match the average rapier, though they'll be either slower with armour or faster with shield and longer webs before pimpage. Probably struggling for cap and point range either way).
    You can get some more dps from my fit with no probe launcher, but as I said it was for w-space kiting (which is v rare).
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    Re: Loki

    never flown any ship more expensive than a vaga, but the fit is fairly cheap for a t3, at least it's not worth billions of isk (the neut was a gamble, i have no idea what they cost).
    there are of course ships that could be quite dangerous to face in this fit, especially ships with dual neuts, but they will kill you anyhow.
    might be worth swapping neut for nos, for the extra gtfo ability...
    i just wanted to see if the loki might be good for something beside being a pimp huginn or sitting on a safe giving gang links.
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    Re: Loki

    I roll this in armor bs gangs

    [Loki, Fistful of Diamonds]
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Centum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
    Centum A-Type Energized Magnetic Membrane
    Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Damage Control II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Domination Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
    Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization (should swap for Fuel Catalyst i guess)
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

    Warrior II x5
    Hornet ECM x5

    With LG slave + bonuses you get to around 39k armor hp, loldps but 62km overloaded webs with loki links and a super small sig.

    Here is a video of it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_b2F...eature=feedlik

    Tried 100mn loki on sisi, quite terrible. A single med neut completly fucks you

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    Re: Loki

    that setup seems horribly overtanked, I use the following fit for most armor fleets, in some hellcat fleets I might exchange 1 gyro for a EANM but generally this works just fine and actually provides decent dps


    [Loki, Default]
    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
    Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Sensor Booster II

    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

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    Re: Loki

    We still manage to lose Lokis, so you know...

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by forteh
    that setup seems horribly overtanked, I use the following fit for most armor fleets, in some hellcat fleets I might exchange 1 gyro for a EANM but generally this works just fine and actually provides decent dps


    [Loki, Default]
    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
    Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Sensor Booster II

    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
    Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
    Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
    Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
    Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    the fit daypi posted above I made for alliance standard and I can tell you its definitely not overtanked for large fights. It has been alphad straight up by close range arty baddons with plenty of ewar backing them up, and vs maelstroms/arty at range it fairs much better but still needs reps. Its not like the sig is a inty that just loltanks them without needing reps. Vs any amarr fleets the 96% em resist keeps it safe, vs drakes it holds out pretty well but again needs reps. Fortunately few people primary lokis for long, though when they do I wouldnt want to undock with any tank less than every slot used for it in a large fight. T3 support dps is trivial anyway

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    Re: Loki

    I have never had a problem tanking in my loki, however large the hostile fleet was. Besides I wouldnt say that loki dps is trivial, they are especially usefull for popping hostile bombers / tackle that can be a real pain vs bs fleets. Obviously they wont be good dps at the range abbadons fight at, but in ahac gangs they dont just provide utlity but also good dps / alpha

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    Re: Loki

    Quote Originally Posted by Daypitoum
    Tried 100mn loki on sisi, quite terrible. A single med neut completly fucks you
    Eh? You're only using using your cap charges for the ab (and web), so how were you not able to make range and keep them 13+km away? Aim away, heat the ab (yay t3 heat bonus), manually/manage the cap injection so you use it asap before they can neut it, then you're outside their neut + web range and all good, no?

    How were you not better off than with an mwd in any case? If the PG was used for armour, you're slower and can't get ever away is scrambled and have a bigger sig when you can move.
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    Re: Loki

    Because the fit posted above didnt have a booster maybe ?


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    Re: Loki

    Losvar's own creation didn't and it was pointed out why that's bad, but Prozacxx's earlier one did and that's proven to work. So if anyone read this and then tested on Sisi with 100mn ab and no cap booster... right back at them.
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