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    God Tier – Lee Sin, Udyr, Skarner, Trundle, Nocturne, Dr. Mundo
    Tier 1 – Jarvan IV, Maokai, Alistar, Riven, Shaco, Shyvana, Nautilus, Cho'Gath, Malphite, Amumu, Olaf
    Tier 2 – Gangplank, Rammus, Master Yi, Warwick, Hecarim, Sejuani, Jax, Volibear, Xin Zhao, Wukong, Shen, Nunu, Tryndamere, Renekton, Fiddlesticks
    Tier 3 – Gragas, Rumble, Twitch, Fiora, Singed, Kayle, Pantheon, Twisted Fate, Janna, Kennen, Blitzcrank, Taric, Sion, Ezreal, Soraka, Karthus, Cassiopeia, Lulu, Ziggs, Fizz, Leona, Caitlyn, Corki, Heimerdinger, Brand, Eve
    Tier 4 – Veigar, Yorick, Poppy, Karma, Nasus, Irelia, Malzahar, Sivir, Galio, Akali
    Tier 5 – Viktor, Mordekaiser, Graves, Orianna, Garen, Ahri, Talon, Annie, Urgot, Kog'Maw, Ashe, Sona

    For tiers G to 2 - the placement is more important towards indicating "who is better" but less so for tier 3. In tier 3, just think of it in brackets as the champions here are more flawed and harder to argue. You can say that the higher tier 3 champions are better than the lower tier 3 though. For Tier 4 and 5 it's pretty much wishy washy.

    Some people seem to be getting confused with the ranking. It should be obvious by seeing who gets the S scores that S means higher than A.

    S scoring is just some video game thing used to say things like “Oh man you are amazing” etc etc. It’s most commonly used in arcade type games.

    The things that changed this time around

    Riven – A weaker Lee Sin for sure but that’s not a bad thing to be considered. She is still dependent on not being stepped on early since she does want to mirror the farm she’d be losing from the lane. She is not restrained by any resource cost, she’s very mobile and has built in steroids that allow her to alter her build in several ways. She may have average speed but her versatility in pathing and ganking order makes up for that. You could argue that she can be a better pick than Lee Sin at times due to having hard CC and the fact that she scales far better into late game than Lee Sin she’s just less resistant to harassment and slightly less versatile.

    Shaco – He’s still very strong and a general terror of the lanes but he’s incredibly predictable and will quickly fall apart if harassed. I may even lower him some more. He is banned often due to simply being annoying and requiring work to deal with him but if players decide to actually do what is necessary against Shaco – well it might as well be a 4v5.

    Cho'Gath – Now that pathing, sustain and versatility is having its importance raised Cho Gath is looking more attractive. He’s one of the gods of jungle versatility as he can enhance pretty much any aspect through alteration of masteries and runes. He’s already amongst one of the fastest junglers in the game if altered that way and can duel some junglers as well. His sustain is also beyond godlike as he has both sustain and burst damage and a means to heal both health and mana.

    Olaf – Pretty much the same reasons as before. He’s fast and versatile and can be dangerous if not handled properly. However he still has issues with mana due to Q spam unless he goes the whole CDR E spam build (which hurts his health).

    Fiora – She’s just bad. She’s lowering in favor of others.

    Volibear – Ignoring the fact that he tends to be unable to do things later on – his early game is quite powerful and his ganks tend to work out better than expected. Maxing out Q second along with grabbing CDR allows you to spam the hell out of it and juggle people around. His passive can be timed to cheese some health gain. He’s also versatile in pathing and builds. However his biggest weakness is he’s slower than average and he isn’t sustained. He actually will slow down even more as the game goes on unless he builds into damage (which isn’t always the most effective build) so he’s basically on a timer.

    Rammus – I alluded to this on the last iteration. He’s just been gimped, slowed down and made even less versatile. He’s a shadow of his former bouncy self.

    Gragas – Jungle Gragas is a trade off of a lot of things. Either you build him bruiser and get good speed, damage and clearing but then your utility tapers off as bruiser tends to do less than AP. You AP and you suffer from dueling prowess and wonky ganks. However the best build that has shown results (as seen in non NA metas) has been support/Aura Gragas. He’s pretty average in the jungle except his beastly level 6 ganks. The thing though is if you build him aura/support you will be able to ease his transition while providing utility for your team and making the trade offs in the jungle less crippling. His ultimate is game changing and he’s naturally fat and difficult to kill. His Q also works as an anti carry mechanic. So support Gragas makes his jungle weaknesses less apparent and a more attractive choice.

    Twitch – He’s both overrated and underrated by people. People act as if he’s the second coming of a god jungler while at the same time underestimate the fact that he can very much destroy you. Twitch is an amazing ganker and has ways only available to him to dupe certain ward locations and get into evil gank positions. However that is all he really has as he will die to pretty much any jungler, will not be able to maintain the pace and will fall apart if controlled. He’s a really brutal ganker if allowed to otherwise he’s really bad.

    Shen – He’s ungodly and painfully slow. That is his biggest and most freakish downfall. However think of him likewarwick– super sustained, incredible amounts of versatility and hard to derail. Add to him the fact that he can actually gank pre 6 and he has the infinite jungling niche. As slow as he is his versatility gives him strength over other junglers and his level 6 gives him complete map control while allowing him to continue jungling and in a way acts as artificial speed. Pathing is worth more now so he’s gained some love.

    Warwick– Same reasons as Shen except his non 6 ganks are terrible and instead jungles faster than Shen.Warwickgains a lead over Shen because of that speed which allows him to utilize his versatility a bit better.Warwick’s level 6 ganks are still amongst the best as they’re hard to avoid and pretty much can guarantee a person dies.

    Hecarim – He’s really average. His damage is on the low end, his sustain is good, his speed is average, his ganks are good but lack damage so assistance is very much required, his invasion consists of thievery and rarely dueling, his pathing is great but his builds pretty much streamlined towards damage. He’s the definition of average with the niche of movement speed and awesome animations.
    Hecarim is pretty shit, I'm not surprised tbh.

    TMA Cho'Gath and Mundo jungle.

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    Hecarim is pretty shit, I'm not surprised tbh.

    TMA Cho'Gath and Mundo jungle.

    cho is slow and too mana hungry, mundo is fast

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    TMA Cho'Gath and Mundo jungle.
    Cho'Gath: Runes: Jungle (Armour Pen or Attack speed Reds, Armour yellows, MR blues, HP or Movespeed quints). Masteries: Whatever. 0/21/9, 9/21/0, 9/12/9 all fine.
    can jungle AP or tank. You can go AD for lulz.
    Mainly, you don't need wriggles. You can skip smite because of your ult (1000 true damage to minions at all ranks). If you don't skip smite you have double-smite, and can steal buffs all day long. Ult has a pretty short cooldown, so with a Frozen Heart + Spirit Visage you have it on a 42 second cooldown. It's up every teamfight.
    Learn to land your Rupture. Rupture the team, Scream with them in the air, and Ult the squishy. It may not kill them, but it will ruin their day. I normally go Rupture->Scream->spikes. Max Ult>Scream>Rupture>Spikes. Your passive gives incredible sustain, rupture + scream gives great ganks, ult makes you tanky and nukes. Lots to like. He's slow, but very hard to safely invade his jungle. Lvl 2 rupture + scream gives a teammate enough time to come, or to just get away. For that matter, the knockup + silence can let you kill quite a few other junglers at this level. Cho always has full HP.

    Items are pretty damn flexible. Want to go philo->Heart of gold-> GA+Rylai's+AP/tanky items? Go for it (this is my "default" build, it gives him the mana he needs). Want to go more traditional cloth+5 (or +2 and a ward to invade) into catalyst + chain vest + negatron? Sure! Want to start with boots? No problem. There's no need for wriggles, so you can get a wits end safely. Great items on him: GA, Rylai's, Rod of Ages, Wits End. Good items: Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Force of Nature, Banshee's Veil, Spirit Visage, Abyssal Scepter, Deathcap. Cho with Rylai's, Shurelya's, and Omen is an incredibly scary initiator.




    Mundo. Stealing heavily from Condon's classic here, but I've updated it and turned it into a right proper jungle guide.

    Mundo: Mundo Mundo Mundo.

    I: Mundo

    Mundore Mundo two Mundo Mundo play Mundo jungle! Mundo a LoL player, Mundo Mundo a Mundo player. A LoL player Mundo look at a situation, consider Mundo pros Mundo cons of a Mundower Mundo, Mundo benefit of Mundo kill gold vs. Mundo time spent recovering, Mundo Mundo number of minions in range Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundower Cleaver. A Mundo player Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo. Mundo.

    II: Pre-Game

    Mundo want movespeed Mundo defense. Runes, masteries, Mundo. Movespeeds Mundo healths. 9-12-9 is how Mundo roll. Mundo Mundo throw in attack speed reds if Mundo promise Mundo eat all Mundor vegitables.

    Mundo basic goal here is Mundo be as strong Mundo as Mundo as possible right out of Mundo gate. Mundo benefit Mundoly from Mundo health, Mundo Mundo don't give a rats ass about CC, so Mundo speed makes Mundo inescapable.

    Summoner Spells Mundo love: (SAI's Mundo: Exhaust Smite, or Flash Smite)
    Cleanse: "Mundo Mundo, Mundo already have reduced CC" Mundo know whats better than reduced CC? None. Mundo. Between fire Mundo clense Mundo alMundo moving, Mundo Mundo loves Mundo move it move it. Many Mundo get QSS instead.
    Smite: Jungle killing, Mundo stealing Mundo Mundo red. Mundo steal Mundo the Mundos.
    Ghost: Mundo know what sucks? Mundo coming at Mundo at 450+MS. Mundo know whats worse? Mundoer Mundo.
    Exhaust: Mundo Mundos Mundo hit squishies. Mundo Mundos Mundo hit Mundom many times. Mundo exhaust enemy jungler, Mundo Mundo all over his Mundo.
    Flash: Mundo Mundo raMundor Exhaust or cleanse. Flash Mundo Mundo steal buffs, but Mundo cleaver Mundo buff.

    III: Mundools of Mundo Trade

    Mundo Mundo his cleaver, Mundo find Mundo many oMundor items Mundo Mundo apply cleaver Mundo face, Mundo continue Mundo go where he pleases.

    Mundoing Mundo, Mundo Mundo Mundo take regrowth pendant, as Mundo spend much of game Mundo bleeding holes all over, Mundo unMundo Mundo View. This Mundo Mundos Mundo deter feeble squishies from shooting Mundoir pointy Mundo at Mundo.

    Mundon, Mundo Mundo Mundo upgrade Mundo a philo rock Mundo boots 1, so he Mundo be Mundo large, screaming harbinger of Mundo as Mundo as possible. Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundoe Mundo Leviathan is silly Mundo Mundo Mundo silly Mundo taking it. Silly people Mundo be given cleaver flavored head medicine.

    Mundo this, Mundo Mundos his Wits end Mundo tabi. Mundo hit Mundo, Mundo gives no Mundos.
    Mundo Mundo his phage Mundo Frozen Mundo. Now Mundo move Mundo Mundo wind, Mundo puts real chill in spine of enemy, instead of meta...meda.... pretend one.

    Mundon, it is time Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo his Spirit Visage. Mundo now Mundo all Mundo Cleaver. Mundo. So much, Mundo when Mundo press "E" enemies run Mundo cry Mundo little girls Mundo Mundon Mundo cleavers in Mundo spine. Mundo Mundos doing all Mundo Cleaver.

    Mundo this, Mundo Mundo get his Mundo Vest and Mundo cloak. Mundo get Frozen Mundo or Mundoin's Omen, Mundo Mundon build a Guardian angel, or a Mundoce of nature, depending on how Mundo game is going. If things Mundo Mundo, Mundo Munco wishes Mundote, Mundo Mundoce. If things Mundo stabby, Mundo enjoy putting cuts all over Mundo, Mundon he Mundos Mundo Angel. Mundon Mundo Mundo oMundor, or Mundo warmogs, as Mundo Mundo. Normally Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo this far.

    IV: Cleaver Cleaver Cleaver Cleaver.

    Mundo Mundos his cleaver, becaMundo no one else Mundos it. In Mundo face meats. This is where Mundo puts his cleaver. In Mundo face meats, Mundo see.

    In order of importance, as judged by Mundo Jungle Mundo:

    Burning something something. Kill all jungle. Mundo get first. Mundo max first.
    Masochism. More smashy. Mundo clear Mundo jungle fasterererer...
    Cleaver. AlMundo Cleaver. Mundo gank! Mundo mini-smite.
    Sadism. More Mundo Mundo Love. Mundo when avai.. can get it.

    Mundo want be fast in jungle, so Mundo burning Mundo creeps. Mundo get cleaver next, steal Mundo buffs, get Mundo ganks. Mundo want Mundo emo, kill faster. Masochism gives Mundo Cleaver Mundo a Mack truck loaded Mundo dynamite Mundo angry bees.

    Mundo Mundo Mundo simple guide Mundo dead squishies:
    Apply cleaver.
    Scream Mundo press "E"
    Mundo light Mundo on fire.
    Apply fists Mundo headmeats.
    Repeat.
    Dead thing!

    Cleaver Mundo Mundo need Mundo heal Mundo scream Mundo run Mundoer, or set things on fire as Mundo amount of stunny badness increases, Mundo Mundoly speaking ample supply of cleavers Mundo fists applied Mundo face makes squishies fall down.

    Special MunMundo about some of Mundo Mundo Mundo's abilities:

    Masochism Mundos better when Mundo is more bleedy, Mundo it's got a short cooldown, Mundo Mundos lots of base Cleaver, so Mundore is no reason Mundo Mundo spam it in a Cleaver.

    Sadism Mundo some wind up time. Mundo don't just instantly survive when Mundo pop it, account Mundo nukes Mundo Mundo 20% drop in current HP beMundoe Mundo Mundo it.

    Sadism Mundo increases speed... significantly. Mundo can Mundo it Mundo Mundo Mundorself Mundo a team Cleaver Mundo Mundo feel bad, becaMundo Mundo Mundo only two emotions: Cleaver Mundo Mundo Cleaver.

    Cleaver: So much Mundo lovin'. It Mundo Mundo buggy, Mundo any skill shot, if Mundo Mundo Mundo click Mundor tarMundo. AlMundo lead, or click behind intended cleaver resting place.

    Cleaver is on a short cooldown. If it is on cooldown, Mundo should already be selecting Mundo next cleaver tarMundo. Hero? Cleaver. Last hit a creep? Cleaver. Suspicious bushes? Cleaver. Team mate look at Mundo funny? Cleaver. Want Mundo scMundo enemy inMundo staying behind thier own creep? Cleaver. Cleaver? Cleaver.

    Seriously. More cleaver. It's Mundo rice. Cheap, easy, Mundo Mundo can throw it at peoples weddings. Cleaver. It's cheap Mundo easy.

    Mundo cleavering is Cleaver Mundo Mundo, learn Mundo anticipate player movement, especially around corners. This is super effective against squishy stealMundors Mundo Eve, Shaco, Mundo Twitch, as Mundo can guestimate Mundoir location Mundo give Mundom a cleaver Mundo Mundo face. Mundo Cleaver is more than enough Mundo make Mundom take a step back, especially if Mundoy think Mundo have a Cleaver up.

    V: Game Game Game Game

    If Mundore's one thing Mundo Mundos, its Purple. If Mundore's anoMundor thing, it's screaming Mundo! at Mundo oMundor team, so Mundoy can Mundo Mundo remember his name later. Many headMundots Mundo brain meats caMundos Mundo Mundo have trouble Mundo such things.

    Mundo is versitile. He can jungle or top, Mundo is fine Mundo a partner as Cleaver. His basic job remains Mundo same: Throw out cleavers Mundo Gordon Ramsay just found out he had ball cancer.

    Mundo a partner, an early first blood is simple. Cleaver is a slow. Fists apply Cleaver. Slow plus Cleaver = bleeding. If in a side lane, Mundo should Mundoss cleavers in bushes beMundoe exploring, a satisfying squish is a Mundo queue Mundo enter Mundo bush Mundo scream a lot. Mundo Mundo still scream if Mundore is no squish.

    Play safe Mundo a while. BeMundoe Mundo Mundo Mundor Mallet Mundo Mundo a squishy Mundo, Mundo rely on Cleaver placed cleavers Mundo last hits Mundo harassment.

    When Mundo Mundo Sadism, Mundo can Cleaver almost as Cleaver as Mundonda*****. "Oh my, a half health purple giant! Let us apply our blades Mundo his posterior! This Mundo only go Cleaver Mundo us!" Mundoy Mundo say, moments beMundoe Mundo gurgling Mundo screaming as Mundoy have a cleaver-ecMundomy. A face cleaver-ecMundomy. Mundo a cleaver.

    Mundo can Mundo Mundo it Mundo just Mundo die. Stay in jungle MundoMundo. Pitch a tent, make a campfire. Sing a campfire song. Mundo is especially fond of Brown Squirrel.

    Mundo Mundo apply fists Mundo Mundower *A simple task, given Mundor staying power Mundo masochism turning Mundo inMundo a Mundower churning machine Mundo unMundo an angry cow* Mundo advance backCleavers Mundo base Mundo Mundor Mallet, Mundo should run around Mundo lanes screaming Mundo throwing cleavers, as long as Mundo can keep up Mundo levels. If Mundoy Mundo playing conservative, continue Mundo farm, as Mundower diving is still Mundo suggested until Mundo have an impaler Mundo ensure Mundo Mundo enemy dies quickly enough Mundo Mundor ult Mundo suck up Mundo Mundower Cleaver.

    Later, Mundo can fill any role decently, Mundo should step down Mundo a concentrated initaMundor or tank, Mundo focus on Mundor face-smash-ability quotient. Mundo same order applies from level 1: AlMundo more cleavers.

    Co-incidentally, cleaver Mundo makes Mundo an excellent runemob/dragon/Baron thief. Do Mundor best Mundo disrupt Mundo enemys farming, especially in Mundo jungle, as Mundo is extremely Mundo, Mundo difficult Mundo kill 1v1. He is Mundo Mundo boogy man, Mundo instead of showing up at night in closets, he shows up all Mundo time Mundo cleavers Mundo a foaming mouth.

    When in doubt, ask Mundorself, what Mundo a 6'6" psychopathic roid-rager Mundo an infected cleaver Mundo an inability Mundo feel pain do? Besides Mundor moMundor, Timmy. Mundo's right. He Mundo throw his cleaver Mundo scream some more, Mundo possibly steal a car. In this case, Mundo car is someone elses face.

    VI: Mundo grows tired of this

    Late game Mundo is Mundo a cold sore. Mundo don't remember how he got Mundore, Mundo he is annoying as all ****, Mundo Mundo can't Mundo rid of Mundo so Mundo do Mundor best Mundo medicate, only Mundo find Mundo it's one of those really gross ones Mundo just bleeds Mundo cracks Mundo Mundo have Mundo leave it alone, Mundo Mundo can't Mundo Mundoing Mundo pick at it, Mundo Mundon it just Mundos worse Mundo suddenly his four team mates Mundo at Mundor botMundom inhib Mundo Mundo're ****ed.

    Only Mundo can push Mundowers Mundo Mundo away scot free, becaMundo if Mundoy don't bring Mundo whole ****-hoMundo Mundo Mundom Mundo sMundop Mundo, Mundo can still Mundo Mundo Mundower Mundo scamper Mundo. By this point, Mundo do sMundoal hundred Cleaver Mundo Masochism on, Mundo can Mundo a Cleaver by dropping an enemy's health by nearly 25%, Mundo Mundo mention a hefty AoE Mundo an inability Mundo die.

    People Mundo eiMundor bring all Mundo guns Mundo sMundop Mundo, or Mundo boMundor. Mundo beauty of Mundo is Mundo Mundo can't do eiMundor. If Mundo leave Mundo alone, he eats Mundor Mundowers. If Mundo stMundo Mundo Cleaver, his allies eat Mundor Mundowers, Mundo he eats Mundo.

    In team battles, Mundo Mundo cleaver Mundo chunkier tarMundos, while meleeing Mundo squishiest. This ensures maximum Mundo of Mundor cleavers abilities *both Mundo slow Mundo sMundop melee fatties from doing anything, Mundo Mundo percentile Cleaver* while enjoying Mundo benefits of Mundo Mundo spear Mundo duct taped Mundo Mundor face do Mundo go Mundo waste.

    Mundo is a match Mundo anyone 1v1, carry or Mundo. 1v2, kill Mundo squishy Mundo run. 1v3, lead Mundom on a merry cMundoe so Mundor own carry can come clean up. 1v4, Mundo pleases Mundo go Mundo oMundor way, Mundo only becaMundo he pleases. 1v5, Mundo screams a lot Mundo makes as many things bleed as he can, while Mundo less Mundo-y allies do important things Mundo kill people Mundo break Mundowers.

    If Mundo Mundo having trouble, Mundo Mundor squishy team is Mundoting pushed back, Mundo sneaking out Mundo eat Mundowers. Mundo should be Mundo, thick, Mundo punchy enough Mundo do this Mundoout dying, if Mundo Mundo cMundoful. Possibly while Mundo enemy is distracted Mundo a push, or Mundoing Mundo do Baron *which Mundo can Mundo Mundo Mundo steal, if Mundo have ward or something of Mundo sort.

    Mundo should now be eating nexus, or at least cMundoing squishies around. Mundo cleavers. So many cleavers.

    VII: Q & A & Mundo

    Q: Oh glorious Mundo, I am alMundo dying, Mundo unable Mundo adminster cleaver flavored treats Mundo peoples faces! What do I do?

    A: Play conservative earlier on, Mundo remember Mundo Mundor ult is a heal over time, a decent amount of time as far as teamCleavers go. Mundo Mundo Mundo an idea Mundo Mundo Cleaver output capabilities of Mundo opponent in Mundor lane, Mundo account Mundo any nukes beMundoe Mundoing Mundo Cleaver Mundom inMundo comitting. Mundo ward beMundo invade jungle. Mundo start ward Mundoemy wraiths, Mundo own wolves Mundo blue, Mundo check Mundo invade if Mundo can.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo die silly squishy man. Cleaver is Mundo a flavor, it is a way of life.

    Q: I find Mundo Mundo be better as a (tank/dps/private dancer, a dancer Mundo money.) Why shouldn't I play Mundo Mundo way?

    A: Mundo can if Mundo Mundo, Mundo my Mundo could beat up Mundor Mundo.

    M: Mundo prefers face smashing Mundo staying alive at Mundo same time. Call Mundo old fashioned.

    Q: Where Mundo Mundo go when he can't go where he pleases?

    A: Mundo Mundo go where he pleases. Period.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo.

    Q: Isn't purple kind of a gay color Mundo a madman?

    A: Mundor face is kind of a gay color.

    M: Knock knock. Cleaver. Cleaver is Mundore. In Mundor face. This is where Mundo puts it, Mundo see.

    Q: I'm having difficulty late game keeping up, I dont seem Mundo be able Mundo take down carries anymore, Mundo eMundo time I run inMundo a team Cleaver I just explode inMundo big wet purple chunks.

    A: Hopefully Mundo picked up an Angel Mundon. In eiMundor case, Mundo're an initaMundor who Mundo probably die anyway, Mundo Mundo net Mundor team 3-4 kills, or Mundo should be dancing around Mundo sidelines, going Mundo ranged dps Mundo throwing cleavers. Mundo're quick Mundo Mundo can't be CCed Mundo long, take advantage of it.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo.

    Q: How Mundo Mundo take his cMundoee?

    A: We don't give Mundo cMundoee. **** Mundo, Mundo **** Mundor moMundor. No cMundoee Mundo Mundo. Mundo.

    M:

    Q: Mundo, I love Mundo.

    A: Grossy.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo kind of DocMundor.

    Enjoy, Mundo happy Mundoing. Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo.
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    TMA Cho'Gath and Mundo jungle.
    Cho'Gath: Runes: Jungle (Armour Pen or Attack speed Reds, Armour yellows, MR blues, HP or Movespeed quints). Masteries: Whatever. 0/21/9, 9/21/0, 9/12/9 all fine.
    can jungle AP or tank. You can go AD for lulz.
    Mainly, you don't need wriggles. You can skip smite because of your ult (1000 true damage to minions at all ranks). If you don't skip smite you have double-smite, and can steal buffs all day long. Ult has a pretty short cooldown, so with a Frozen Heart + Spirit Visage you have it on a 42 second cooldown. It's up every teamfight.
    Learn to land your Rupture. Rupture the team, Scream with them in the air, and Ult the squishy. It may not kill them, but it will ruin their day. I normally go Rupture->Scream->spikes. Max Ult>Scream>Rupture>Spikes. Your passive gives incredible sustain, rupture + scream gives great ganks, ult makes you tanky and nukes. Lots to like. He's slow, but very hard to safely invade his jungle. Lvl 2 rupture + scream gives a teammate enough time to come, or to just get away. For that matter, the knockup + silence can let you kill quite a few other junglers at this level. Cho always has full HP.

    Items are pretty damn flexible. Want to go philo->Heart of gold-> GA+Rylai's+AP/tanky items? Go for it (this is my "default" build, it gives him the mana he needs). Want to go more traditional cloth+5 (or +2 and a ward to invade) into catalyst + chain vest + negatron? Sure! Want to start with boots? No problem. There's no need for wriggles, so you can get a wits end safely. Great items on him: GA, Rylai's, Rod of Ages, Wits End. Good items: Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Force of Nature, Banshee's Veil, Spirit Visage, Abyssal Scepter, Deathcap. Cho with Rylai's, Shurelya's, and Omen is an incredibly scary initiator.




    Mundo. Stealing heavily from Condon's classic here, but I've updated it and turned it into a right proper jungle guide.

    Mundo: Mundo Mundo Mundo.

    I: Mundo

    Mundore Mundo two Mundo Mundo play Mundo jungle! Mundo a LoL player, Mundo Mundo a Mundo player. A LoL player Mundo look at a situation, consider Mundo pros Mundo cons of a Mundower Mundo, Mundo benefit of Mundo kill gold vs. Mundo time spent recovering, Mundo Mundo number of minions in range Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundower Cleaver. A Mundo player Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo. Mundo.

    II: Pre-Game

    Mundo want movespeed Mundo defense. Runes, masteries, Mundo. Movespeeds Mundo healths. 9-12-9 is how Mundo roll. Mundo Mundo throw in attack speed reds if Mundo promise Mundo eat all Mundor vegitables.

    Mundo basic goal here is Mundo be as strong Mundo as Mundo as possible right out of Mundo gate. Mundo benefit Mundoly from Mundo health, Mundo Mundo don't give a rats ass about CC, so Mundo speed makes Mundo inescapable.

    Summoner Spells Mundo love: (SAI's Mundo: Exhaust Smite, or Flash Smite)
    Cleanse: "Mundo Mundo, Mundo already have reduced CC" Mundo know whats better than reduced CC? None. Mundo. Between fire Mundo clense Mundo alMundo moving, Mundo Mundo loves Mundo move it move it. Many Mundo get QSS instead.
    Smite: Jungle killing, Mundo stealing Mundo Mundo red. Mundo steal Mundo the Mundos.
    Ghost: Mundo know what sucks? Mundo coming at Mundo at 450+MS. Mundo know whats worse? Mundoer Mundo.
    Exhaust: Mundo Mundos Mundo hit squishies. Mundo Mundos Mundo hit Mundom many times. Mundo exhaust enemy jungler, Mundo Mundo all over his Mundo.
    Flash: Mundo Mundo raMundor Exhaust or cleanse. Flash Mundo Mundo steal buffs, but Mundo cleaver Mundo buff.

    III: Mundools of Mundo Trade

    Mundo Mundo his cleaver, Mundo find Mundo many oMundor items Mundo Mundo apply cleaver Mundo face, Mundo continue Mundo go where he pleases.

    Mundoing Mundo, Mundo Mundo Mundo take regrowth pendant, as Mundo spend much of game Mundo bleeding holes all over, Mundo unMundo Mundo View. This Mundo Mundos Mundo deter feeble squishies from shooting Mundoir pointy Mundo at Mundo.

    Mundon, Mundo Mundo Mundo upgrade Mundo a philo rock Mundo boots 1, so he Mundo be Mundo large, screaming harbinger of Mundo as Mundo as possible. Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundoe Mundo Leviathan is silly Mundo Mundo Mundo silly Mundo taking it. Silly people Mundo be given cleaver flavored head medicine.

    Mundo this, Mundo Mundos his Wits end Mundo tabi. Mundo hit Mundo, Mundo gives no Mundos.
    Mundo Mundo his phage Mundo Frozen Mundo. Now Mundo move Mundo Mundo wind, Mundo puts real chill in spine of enemy, instead of meta...meda.... pretend one.

    Mundon, it is time Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo his Spirit Visage. Mundo now Mundo all Mundo Cleaver. Mundo. So much, Mundo when Mundo press "E" enemies run Mundo cry Mundo little girls Mundo Mundon Mundo cleavers in Mundo spine. Mundo Mundos doing all Mundo Cleaver.

    Mundo this, Mundo Mundo get his Mundo Vest and Mundo cloak. Mundo get Frozen Mundo or Mundoin's Omen, Mundo Mundon build a Guardian angel, or a Mundoce of nature, depending on how Mundo game is going. If things Mundo Mundo, Mundo Munco wishes Mundote, Mundo Mundoce. If things Mundo stabby, Mundo enjoy putting cuts all over Mundo, Mundon he Mundos Mundo Angel. Mundon Mundo Mundo oMundor, or Mundo warmogs, as Mundo Mundo. Normally Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo this far.

    IV: Cleaver Cleaver Cleaver Cleaver.

    Mundo Mundos his cleaver, becaMundo no one else Mundos it. In Mundo face meats. This is where Mundo puts his cleaver. In Mundo face meats, Mundo see.

    In order of importance, as judged by Mundo Jungle Mundo:

    Burning something something. Kill all jungle. Mundo get first. Mundo max first.
    Masochism. More smashy. Mundo clear Mundo jungle fasterererer...
    Cleaver. AlMundo Cleaver. Mundo gank! Mundo mini-smite.
    Sadism. More Mundo Mundo Love. Mundo when avai.. can get it.

    Mundo want be fast in jungle, so Mundo burning Mundo creeps. Mundo get cleaver next, steal Mundo buffs, get Mundo ganks. Mundo want Mundo emo, kill faster. Masochism gives Mundo Cleaver Mundo a Mack truck loaded Mundo dynamite Mundo angry bees.

    Mundo Mundo Mundo simple guide Mundo dead squishies:
    Apply cleaver.
    Scream Mundo press "E"
    Mundo light Mundo on fire.
    Apply fists Mundo headmeats.
    Repeat.
    Dead thing!

    Cleaver Mundo Mundo need Mundo heal Mundo scream Mundo run Mundoer, or set things on fire as Mundo amount of stunny badness increases, Mundo Mundoly speaking ample supply of cleavers Mundo fists applied Mundo face makes squishies fall down.

    Special MunMundo about some of Mundo Mundo Mundo's abilities:

    Masochism Mundos better when Mundo is more bleedy, Mundo it's got a short cooldown, Mundo Mundos lots of base Cleaver, so Mundore is no reason Mundo Mundo spam it in a Cleaver.

    Sadism Mundo some wind up time. Mundo don't just instantly survive when Mundo pop it, account Mundo nukes Mundo Mundo 20% drop in current HP beMundoe Mundo Mundo it.

    Sadism Mundo increases speed... significantly. Mundo can Mundo it Mundo Mundo Mundorself Mundo a team Cleaver Mundo Mundo feel bad, becaMundo Mundo Mundo only two emotions: Cleaver Mundo Mundo Cleaver.

    Cleaver: So much Mundo lovin'. It Mundo Mundo buggy, Mundo any skill shot, if Mundo Mundo Mundo click Mundor tarMundo. AlMundo lead, or click behind intended cleaver resting place.

    Cleaver is on a short cooldown. If it is on cooldown, Mundo should already be selecting Mundo next cleaver tarMundo. Hero? Cleaver. Last hit a creep? Cleaver. Suspicious bushes? Cleaver. Team mate look at Mundo funny? Cleaver. Want Mundo scMundo enemy inMundo staying behind thier own creep? Cleaver. Cleaver? Cleaver.

    Seriously. More cleaver. It's Mundo rice. Cheap, easy, Mundo Mundo can throw it at peoples weddings. Cleaver. It's cheap Mundo easy.

    Mundo cleavering is Cleaver Mundo Mundo, learn Mundo anticipate player movement, especially around corners. This is super effective against squishy stealMundors Mundo Eve, Shaco, Mundo Twitch, as Mundo can guestimate Mundoir location Mundo give Mundom a cleaver Mundo Mundo face. Mundo Cleaver is more than enough Mundo make Mundom take a step back, especially if Mundoy think Mundo have a Cleaver up.

    V: Game Game Game Game

    If Mundore's one thing Mundo Mundos, its Purple. If Mundore's anoMundor thing, it's screaming Mundo! at Mundo oMundor team, so Mundoy can Mundo Mundo remember his name later. Many headMundots Mundo brain meats caMundos Mundo Mundo have trouble Mundo such things.

    Mundo is versitile. He can jungle or top, Mundo is fine Mundo a partner as Cleaver. His basic job remains Mundo same: Throw out cleavers Mundo Gordon Ramsay just found out he had ball cancer.

    Mundo a partner, an early first blood is simple. Cleaver is a slow. Fists apply Cleaver. Slow plus Cleaver = bleeding. If in a side lane, Mundo should Mundoss cleavers in bushes beMundoe exploring, a satisfying squish is a Mundo queue Mundo enter Mundo bush Mundo scream a lot. Mundo Mundo still scream if Mundore is no squish.

    Play safe Mundo a while. BeMundoe Mundo Mundo Mundor Mallet Mundo Mundo a squishy Mundo, Mundo rely on Cleaver placed cleavers Mundo last hits Mundo harassment.

    When Mundo Mundo Sadism, Mundo can Cleaver almost as Cleaver as Mundonda*****. "Oh my, a half health purple giant! Let us apply our blades Mundo his posterior! This Mundo only go Cleaver Mundo us!" Mundoy Mundo say, moments beMundoe Mundo gurgling Mundo screaming as Mundoy have a cleaver-ecMundomy. A face cleaver-ecMundomy. Mundo a cleaver.

    Mundo can Mundo Mundo it Mundo just Mundo die. Stay in jungle MundoMundo. Pitch a tent, make a campfire. Sing a campfire song. Mundo is especially fond of Brown Squirrel.

    Mundo Mundo apply fists Mundo Mundower *A simple task, given Mundor staying power Mundo masochism turning Mundo inMundo a Mundower churning machine Mundo unMundo an angry cow* Mundo advance backCleavers Mundo base Mundo Mundor Mallet, Mundo should run around Mundo lanes screaming Mundo throwing cleavers, as long as Mundo can keep up Mundo levels. If Mundoy Mundo playing conservative, continue Mundo farm, as Mundower diving is still Mundo suggested until Mundo have an impaler Mundo ensure Mundo Mundo enemy dies quickly enough Mundo Mundor ult Mundo suck up Mundo Mundower Cleaver.

    Later, Mundo can fill any role decently, Mundo should step down Mundo a concentrated initaMundor or tank, Mundo focus on Mundor face-smash-ability quotient. Mundo same order applies from level 1: AlMundo more cleavers.

    Co-incidentally, cleaver Mundo makes Mundo an excellent runemob/dragon/Baron thief. Do Mundor best Mundo disrupt Mundo enemys farming, especially in Mundo jungle, as Mundo is extremely Mundo, Mundo difficult Mundo kill 1v1. He is Mundo Mundo boogy man, Mundo instead of showing up at night in closets, he shows up all Mundo time Mundo cleavers Mundo a foaming mouth.

    When in doubt, ask Mundorself, what Mundo a 6'6" psychopathic roid-rager Mundo an infected cleaver Mundo an inability Mundo feel pain do? Besides Mundor moMundor, Timmy. Mundo's right. He Mundo throw his cleaver Mundo scream some more, Mundo possibly steal a car. In this case, Mundo car is someone elses face.

    VI: Mundo grows tired of this

    Late game Mundo is Mundo a cold sore. Mundo don't remember how he got Mundore, Mundo he is annoying as all ****, Mundo Mundo can't Mundo rid of Mundo so Mundo do Mundor best Mundo medicate, only Mundo find Mundo it's one of those really gross ones Mundo just bleeds Mundo cracks Mundo Mundo have Mundo leave it alone, Mundo Mundo can't Mundo Mundoing Mundo pick at it, Mundo Mundon it just Mundos worse Mundo suddenly his four team mates Mundo at Mundor botMundom inhib Mundo Mundo're ****ed.

    Only Mundo can push Mundowers Mundo Mundo away scot free, becaMundo if Mundoy don't bring Mundo whole ****-hoMundo Mundo Mundom Mundo sMundop Mundo, Mundo can still Mundo Mundo Mundower Mundo scamper Mundo. By this point, Mundo do sMundoal hundred Cleaver Mundo Masochism on, Mundo can Mundo a Cleaver by dropping an enemy's health by nearly 25%, Mundo Mundo mention a hefty AoE Mundo an inability Mundo die.

    People Mundo eiMundor bring all Mundo guns Mundo sMundop Mundo, or Mundo boMundor. Mundo beauty of Mundo is Mundo Mundo can't do eiMundor. If Mundo leave Mundo alone, he eats Mundor Mundowers. If Mundo stMundo Mundo Cleaver, his allies eat Mundor Mundowers, Mundo he eats Mundo.

    In team battles, Mundo Mundo cleaver Mundo chunkier tarMundos, while meleeing Mundo squishiest. This ensures maximum Mundo of Mundor cleavers abilities *both Mundo slow Mundo sMundop melee fatties from doing anything, Mundo Mundo percentile Cleaver* while enjoying Mundo benefits of Mundo Mundo spear Mundo duct taped Mundo Mundor face do Mundo go Mundo waste.

    Mundo is a match Mundo anyone 1v1, carry or Mundo. 1v2, kill Mundo squishy Mundo run. 1v3, lead Mundom on a merry cMundoe so Mundor own carry can come clean up. 1v4, Mundo pleases Mundo go Mundo oMundor way, Mundo only becaMundo he pleases. 1v5, Mundo screams a lot Mundo makes as many things bleed as he can, while Mundo less Mundo-y allies do important things Mundo kill people Mundo break Mundowers.

    If Mundo Mundo having trouble, Mundo Mundor squishy team is Mundoting pushed back, Mundo sneaking out Mundo eat Mundowers. Mundo should be Mundo, thick, Mundo punchy enough Mundo do this Mundoout dying, if Mundo Mundo cMundoful. Possibly while Mundo enemy is distracted Mundo a push, or Mundoing Mundo do Baron *which Mundo can Mundo Mundo Mundo steal, if Mundo have ward or something of Mundo sort.

    Mundo should now be eating nexus, or at least cMundoing squishies around. Mundo cleavers. So many cleavers.

    VII: Q & A & Mundo

    Q: Oh glorious Mundo, I am alMundo dying, Mundo unable Mundo adminster cleaver flavored treats Mundo peoples faces! What do I do?

    A: Play conservative earlier on, Mundo remember Mundo Mundor ult is a heal over time, a decent amount of time as far as teamCleavers go. Mundo Mundo Mundo an idea Mundo Mundo Cleaver output capabilities of Mundo opponent in Mundor lane, Mundo account Mundo any nukes beMundoe Mundoing Mundo Cleaver Mundom inMundo comitting. Mundo ward beMundo invade jungle. Mundo start ward Mundoemy wraiths, Mundo own wolves Mundo blue, Mundo check Mundo invade if Mundo can.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo die silly squishy man. Cleaver is Mundo a flavor, it is a way of life.

    Q: I find Mundo Mundo be better as a (tank/dps/private dancer, a dancer Mundo money.) Why shouldn't I play Mundo Mundo way?

    A: Mundo can if Mundo Mundo, Mundo my Mundo could beat up Mundor Mundo.

    M: Mundo prefers face smashing Mundo staying alive at Mundo same time. Call Mundo old fashioned.

    Q: Where Mundo Mundo go when he can't go where he pleases?

    A: Mundo Mundo go where he pleases. Period.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo.

    Q: Isn't purple kind of a gay color Mundo a madman?

    A: Mundor face is kind of a gay color.

    M: Knock knock. Cleaver. Cleaver is Mundore. In Mundor face. This is where Mundo puts it, Mundo see.

    Q: I'm having difficulty late game keeping up, I dont seem Mundo be able Mundo take down carries anymore, Mundo eMundo time I run inMundo a team Cleaver I just explode inMundo big wet purple chunks.

    A: Hopefully Mundo picked up an Angel Mundon. In eiMundor case, Mundo're an initaMundor who Mundo probably die anyway, Mundo Mundo net Mundor team 3-4 kills, or Mundo should be dancing around Mundo sidelines, going Mundo ranged dps Mundo throwing cleavers. Mundo're quick Mundo Mundo can't be CCed Mundo long, take advantage of it.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo.

    Q: How Mundo Mundo take his cMundoee?

    A: We don't give Mundo cMundoee. **** Mundo, Mundo **** Mundor moMundor. No cMundoee Mundo Mundo. Mundo.

    M:

    Q: Mundo, I love Mundo.

    A: Grossy.

    M: Mundo Mundo Mundo kind of DocMundor.

    Enjoy, Mundo happy Mundoing. Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo.
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    Only good mundo guide:


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    Played last night where I was 3rd pick, 2 remaining picks had called their lanes and didn't want to start things off on a good footing. Anyway, couldn't figure out who was going where and doing what (Kennen mid, bruiser top who coulda jungled but didn't have smite.. y'know that flexible team that can play all over the place).. and of course, nobody was answering my questions. 1 second to go, I panic pick Xin for jungle. Team composition worked out fine, but now I'm stuck with a jungler who everyone says is bad, but I've actually had some decent successes with.

    Decided to play it safe, and build him as bruiser with Speed Boots, Wiggles, Sunfire, Atmas, Banshee's. Absolutely raped all lanes and carried like a boss.

    So, please explain why Xin is so bad? Gap closer, ASPD Steroid, CC, Life Steal.. what's not to like?

    Oh, also.. finally got to use his ult as it was intended, E'd into middle of enemy team under turret (like a FUCKING BOSS), ulted, knocked up WW, burst him down and ran like fucking billyo. Entire team, plus charged turret couldn't do shit thanks to the extra 90 armor/mr.

    Wish I'd picked up a Wits End at the end, but I was hurting for AD so started building IE.
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    bout a thousand threads on Xin, all say the same thing.

    No scaling.

    He can pub stomp, that's it.

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    right, so he's fine in low Elo, but don't rely on him once out of "elo hell"

    gotcha
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    Cho is not slow in jungle. Get a wits end and a couple of point in E

    Other than that good advice


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    Quote Originally Posted by TroN View Post
    Cho is not slow in jungle. Get a wits end and a couple of point in E

    Other than that good advice
    Cho is slow up until he gets Wits End. After that he's fine, which is why it's one of the "great" items for him. But some champs (like Mundo) can easily steal his first red before he gets to it. If you know how to deal with that (can you hit rupture?) then it's not as big a deal as with some junglers, and you can often steal all the buffs later on because of Feast. If you know you're against a fast champ, rushing the wits end and putting a few more points in spikes over rupture is a fine plan. The problem with quick guides is that they are hard to cover all the important situations in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroN View Post
    Cho is not slow in jungle. Get a wits end and a couple of point in E

    Other than that good advice
    true ill just but wits end with ny start gol..........

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    I still think he is fast enough to begin with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TroN View Post
    I still think he is fast enough to begin with.
    He's slow to start, but so sustainy that it can be very unsafe to invade him, even with a faster jungler. It's hard to invade when you're lower on health than the victim, and if cho sees the invader he has enough CC that a laner can come help (if that's even needed.) Cho is a good counter-counter-jungler.

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    Don't like cho jungle, his ganks suck and he is slow.
    Everything he could do ww does better. Clear faster, is a better initiator, ganks after lvl 6 are huge, got a better sustain. But this is my view as a person who does not like to jungle really.

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    Tier 1 – Lee Sin, Udyr, Dr. Mundo, Skarner, Nocturne, Jarvan IV, Maokai, Nautilus, Trundle, Alistar, Riven, Shyvana, Shaco, Malphite, Amumu, Cho`Gath, Olaf
    Tier 2 – Hecarim, Gangplank, Volibear, Master Yi, Warwick, Shen, Jax, Rammus, Sejuani, Xin Zhao, Fiddlesticks, Darius, Wukong, Nunu, Tryndamere
    Tier 3 – Kayle, Gragas, Twitch, Fizz, Galio, Renekton, Rumble, Fiora, Pantheon, Singed, Twisted Fate, Janna, Blitzcrank, Kennen, Taric, Sion, Ezreal, Soraka, Karthus, Cassiopeia, Lulu, Ziggs, Leona, Heimerdinger, Brand, Yorick, Eve
    Tier 4 – Caitlyn, Corki, Veigar, Poppy, Karma, Nasus, Irelia, Malzahar, Sivir, Akali
    Tier 5 – Viktor, Mordekaiser, Graves, Varus, Orianna, Garen, Ahri, Talon, Annie, Urgot, Kog Maw, Ashe, Sona

    For tiers 1 and 2 - the placement is more important towards indicating "who is better" but less so for tier 3. In tier 3, just think of it in brackets as the champions here are more flawed and harder to argue. You can say that the higher tier 3 champions are better than the lower tier 3 though. For Tier 4 and 5 it's pretty much wishy washy.

    Some people seem to be getting confused with the ranking. It should be obvious by seeing who gets the S scores that S means higher than A.

    S scoring is just some video game thing used to say things like “Oh man you are amazing” etc etc. It’s most commonly used in arcade type games.

    The things that changed this time around

    Survivability renamed to Resilience – This will help people make more sense of what it means. The score encompasses the junglers ability to not get destroyed in the jungle by the opposition in the sense that they can escape from harass and recover from it. Junglers with low resilience have to have BOTH the inability to regain lost time and health after being harassed. Characters also need to be able to function on “reduced exp” in order to score high. Someone like Fiddlesticks scores high because even though he’s easily invaded all he has to do is drain a camp and he’s back in fighting shape – he also is just a CC machine regardless of level. Then you have someone like Fizz who has no natural sustain and needs levels to have an impact therefore he isn’t so resilient.

    God Tier Removed – People complained about it for no reason even though the characters would still be in the same position even if it was gone.

    Shaco – Give me your opinions on him. He’s got a lot of fear factor and powers to be a real jackass but he’s really easily to destroy IF YOU WORK TOGETHER. The problem with that is I don’t know if I should be able to hold that against him considering I’m real lax about it with others.

    Rammus – Dropping him in favor of Shen, Jax and Warwick. Jax is just looking better and Warwick and Shen outclass Rammus in other aspects and then their ganking is far more secure.

    Yorick – Raised him up because people wouldn’t stop complaining about having him in tier brackets that don’t matter.

    Galio – Honestly he’s a lot better I just got lazy to ever update his position. Press W and heal to full on small camps. Jungle with regrowth pendant, get a leash, never die. Honestly Amumu is way better than Galio and they’ll do the same damn thing – but Galio is manly statue man.

    Renekton – Lowered due to being overshadowed and simply clunky in the jungle. Rage does not work well in the jungle especially for someone who gets most of his early damage from being mad.

    Kayle – I gave her a boost after I accepted that I should consider giving her a boost on her dismal path/building score by taking into account a “support” kayle build and her transition being helped with that. She’s top of tier 3 and usually the ones at the top can be swayed to enter the next bracket.

    Fizz – I’ve watched him be played and he’s better than I thought but not by much. He still slow (single target) but he destroys buffs and dragon. He can tower dive like a monster and level 6 ganking is evil as well as his jungle dueling – but he can’t recover well from harassment and can snowball negatively incredibly hard.

    Twitch – Moved up due to others moving down

    Fiddlesticks – Moved up because he’s strictly better than those he was below – and his buff was nice too you know.

    Jax – While he’s still a gamble of a pick he’s beasty. If he gets even slightly ahead he starts going insane and eating people. His damage is simply absurd so the enemy will want to keep him down. If he’s slapped though he tends to have an issue recovering and he still is gold dependent. He’s a coin toss still.

    Cho’Gath – His super godly sustain isn’t doing him any favors and can’t make up for his shoddy ganking and dueling prowess (when built traditionally).

    Dr. Mundo – Skarner and Udyr are similar yes but Udyr is strictly faster when using traditional builds to compare him and Skarner as well as having a bit more sustain powers. This is why Mundo overcame Skarner but not Udyr (yet). While the nerfs to Mundo’s ultimate makes him hurt as a jungle pick – Mundo still maintains his insane early prowess that makes him a God.

    Trundle – Well he still has his ungodly sustain, versatility and mobility – he just really needs those QoL buffs to catch him up with everyone else. He’s good but the harshness of reality is that his animations actually keep the guy down. I tried using him as an invader like before but he gives up so much chasing power casting his stupid abilities that the new “slippery” junglers can avoid him easier because of the few seconds you lose and the fact that they have boots makes it worse.

    Darius – Well this guy is truly a man. He can’t gank so well and he has pretty much no health sustain or resistance to invasion but he clears like a champ and hurts like a train carrying trucks. His weak mobility won’t give him the best invasive powers like Shyvana and Dr. Mundo but he can severely hurt junglers he catches running around. Thus far what he is a damage jungler with an emphasis on farming. He can invade but his low mobility might bite him in the ass. He can steal rather easily and probably outright murder anyone who tries to stand toe to toe with him – but he probably can’t go up looking for fights as he can’t catch them unless they fall into his hands by being careless.

    Though at the moment he’s pretty powerful and diabolical so it might not matter at all. If he’s broken he’s broken and you can just insta lock him and laugh!
    Maybe now people will quit picking Shaco/Trundle and failing. Probably not sadly.

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    How can you fail with Trundle? Basically plays himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grarr Dexx View Post
    How can you fail with Trundle? Basically plays himself.
    You really wouldn't be surprised.

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    One thing I will agree with - his animations need some tweaking. He has a long frontswing on his attack which really hurts his ability to chase and duel, since you'll be standing there for .25 of a second every time you want to actually do some damage. Compare to someone like Shen who basically has no animation and it's easy to see what he's going on about. His jungle clear's still good and he's quite hard to shut down in the jungle if you go looking to fight him, but a lot of the more mobile counterjunglers will just be able to escape him.
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    Trundles also amazing at catching up if he falls behind.

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    Tier 1 – Lee Sin, Udyr, Dr. Mundo, Nocturne, Jarvan IV, Maokai, Nautilus, Skarner, Trundle, Alistar, Riven, Shyvana, Olaf, Amumu, Malphite, Cho`Gath, Shaco

    Tier 2 –Warwick, Shen, Hecarim, Jax, Gangplank, Master Yi, Volibear, Rammus, Sejuani, Fiddlesticks, Darius, Xin Zhao, Wukong, Nunu, Tryndamere

    Tier 3 – Kayle, Gragas, Twitch, Fizz, Galio, Renekton, Rumble, Fiora, Pantheon, Singed, Twisted Fate, Janna, Blitzcrank, Kennen, Taric, Sion, Ezreal, Soraka, Karthus, Cassiopeia, Lulu, Ziggs, Leona, Heimerdinger, Brand, Yorick, Evelynn, Mordekaiser

    Tier 4 – Caitlyn, Corki, Veigar, Poppy, Karma, Nasus, Irelia, Malzahar, Draven, Sivir, Akali

    Tier 5 – Viktor, Graves, Varus, Orianna, Garen, Ahri, Talon, Annie, Urgot, Kog`Maw, Ashe, Sona

    For tiers 1 and 2 - the placement is more important towards indicating "who is better" but less so for tier 3. In tier 3, just think of it in brackets as the champions here are more flawed and harder to argue. You can say that the higher tier 3 champions are better than the lower tier 3 though. For Tier 4 and 5 it's pretty much wishy washy.

    Some people seem to be getting confused with the ranking. It should be obvious by seeing who gets the S scores that S means higher than A.

    S scoring is just some video game thing used to say things like “Oh man you are amazing” etc etc. It’s most commonly used in arcade type games.

    Btw before I go on I'll just state who it think some of the best PICKS are at the moment. The obvious Mundo and Nocturne (due to tournament player) are there as well as Nautilus (for teams) and Olaf for counter picking-jungle carry status. Lee Sin is always a safe one while Udyr tends to be binary depending on the competency of your team. When all else fails - pick the all purpose Jarvan.

    The things that have changed this time around

    Warwick + Shen - The duo of "wait till it gets to level 6" junglers have moved up due to the fact while they may have some glaring flaws such as weak pre 6 ganks (warwick) and sluggish speed (Shen) they are very powerful in other aspects such as sustain, pathing, resilience, item variety and then become even godlier at level 6. They are also cheaper junglers!

    Jax - He moved up as Gangplank is simply outdated now and weaker. Jax still has a rev up time as his noticeable flaw but once he's got that truck started he runs down most of his opposition rather brutally.

    Mordekaiser - Honestly he can't gank but someone brought up a good point. At least he's faster, doesn't rely on mana, has great clears and a lot of people don't want to face him 1v1 so why not just bring him out of tier 5.

    Shaco - I still want to hear more arguments as to why he should go down or go up. I've been getting messages from both sides.

    Amumu - One of the junglers with the highest win ratios in the game. In terms of solo queue picks even idiots know to go in when you press R. He's a very fast jungler, his level 6 ganks can turn entire games around and he can go several builds. He does have the weakness of everyone wanting to kill him and that his ultimate is on a long cooldown. Still though he is underestimated to an almost criminal level.

    Nocturne - Moved up because he's being used more and I'm having a tough time dealing with him even with match ups I believed were positive against him. He's able to build tank and still dish out serious damage due to his steroids.

    Skarner - Similar to Trundle in that he's a bit antiquated now. Not that he's any worse than before but that everyone seems to either have dashes everywhere or everyone bought boots which is like 99% of the games. This makes Skarner's earlier ganks less reliable but not necessary terrible to the point where you shouldn't try them. It means you just have to bait people into their deaths. In terms of match ups - he does beat a few characters like Lee Sin and Jarvan but not by a margin to seem impressive. A real benefit from Skarner is that he snowballs better than a lot of other junglers. If he gets a few kills early he will become difficult to kill, fast and mobile, deal high amounts of damage and will exert high amounts of CC including his ultimate. Skarner is a good "carry" jungler if you may. he may not become a murder machine like Olaf but he becomes a terror machine.

    Note* - Udyr, while powerful and versatile, may soon go through the same.

    Olaf - He's one of the few true carry junglers in the game and he can run amok if not kept in check. Pretty much no jungler can stand up to an olaf that is double buffed and in good health. If he can land his axes then they're either death or crippled beyond recovery. He's fast, he clears fast, he speeds up, he's efficient with his gold and is one of the most brutal counter picks to junglers like Nautilus, Maokai and even Shyvana. As explained before he does have the weakness of being restricted by mana so that always has to be managed well. He also has the weakness of being able to be shut down due to this mana restrictions and the enemy team taking advantage of that and keeping him down and unable to function. Olaf is basically a ticking time bomb and the enemy team can work their magic to make it so that bomb gets some extra wait time.

    And the new champion - Draven



    This is where he can't gloat. Simply put ranged AD characters can't really be junglers. There are some niche exceptions like Ezreal (due to his skillshots) and Twitch (because he focuses on ganking non stop) but Draven has neither of their stuff. Ranged AD have a tough time dueling due to line of sight issues in the jungle which would force them to get face to face with their opponents and likely give the enemy the advantage by doing so. Draven is also slow, has no real ganking tools and would have weak resilience. He at least can maintain himself due to the nature of his Q and has some sustain points there.

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