I'd go ahead and do it, there's not much else useful to put in those slots anyway. Except possibly flat AD for blitz.Originally Posted by Irion
I'd go ahead and do it, there's not much else useful to put in those slots anyway. Except possibly flat AD for blitz.
Since many bad opinions about taric role and how to:
TRYHARD TARIC:
EWQWWR WQWQR ... ward to always defend your ad carry is obvious, after every b you need to have 2-3. Flash cv or gtfo. 0/18/12 or 0/21/9 or 0/9/21. Runes are obvious, mpen or armor reds, mp5 or armor yellows, mr or cdr blues, gp10 quints. Mspeed might work too. Mpen are shit same as AP.
Ferie charm 3 wards 2 pots - philo boots - hog cloth armor pink for drake - can upg boots merc or dodge oracle if want, if don't need skip this step - shurelia - aegis. I have literally managed to farm aegis and shurelia 1 out of 22 games in rankeds, after that you may buy wota / starks for your carries or ramduin omen. If you do amazingly well in lane but everyone else in team is failing kage's pick is okish to get after hog. rest of build doesn't change.
Go fb if you got an adv early, otherwise defend wrights or blue depending where they might invide. Play passive in lane till lvl 2, if you got a good ad carry wait in bush for opportunity to stun shred + autos. Orbwalking is a kay, learn how to. Ward a bush if they got stronger push/harass setup like ez sona or caitlyn alistar etc and camp it. If your lane winning consider roaming to help mid - even without bringing much dmg just a single stun can help land a good combo, especially with brand / xerath / orianna etc. Ward his bottom mid bush (one that goes into drake river). Ward their blue and ask mid / jungle / bot to ambush or deny. You should have vision over drake sing 7-8th minute mark. Usually nowing what the fuck is happening on a map and cving in the right moment should be enough, do ward it if you have to b though. Your ultimate cooldown is sickly low, use it when you pushed into tower and your carry can land a few hits, especially after a kill in lane. Don't be afraid to ult while doig drake to make it faster and easier. Always use it early in teamfights. Unless you initiate with E save it for a carry or initiator. Ward baron after 13-15th minute. Stop sitting in lane with your ad carry damnit midgame, unless he really cant hold and farm anymore. You are much better helping in ganks and gathering with a team. If winning do ward offensivly. Ward their buffs, ward jungle entrance by baron. Etc. Wards wins games, taric is best ward roamer.
HTH stop hurting me with bad taric play. He is too good for that.
Fiddlesticks as support... a little part of my brain keeps nagging away at me saying it's fucking genius. Logic though tells me that it's probably retarded.. would be good to hear the opinions of some peeps that are actually good at this game.
1 Targetted CC
1 "kinda" AOE CC
Non targetable sustain/drain (that actually kinda works like CC, makes em run the fuck away anyway)
Forget about the ult, we all know how that works and you're gonna have to play that real safe.
I'm not a girl, and I don't know what a "Mendolorian" is.. I think it might be a self healing car that travels through time.
its bad, dont do it
Sounds fun. Fear is actually really long cc. Probably not top tier but there are worse.
Fid has huge mana problems without the blue buff or some nice items. I don't think he can effectively support without going OOM all the time.
Support Fiddle seems really bad. Your only good harass plants you in place(and you're squishy), you don't heal, and you don't have enough CC to be a proper kill lane. This on top of mana problems and a lack of AP with which to do team-massacring Crowstorms.
On another note, just started with Soraka recently. I am seriously enjoying her, even after the nerf. You just sit in lane, with everyone at full health and mana all the time, and let the carry throw AOE harass all day. The games tend to be slightly boring resource-management contests, but you always win them.
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I always thought Vayne + Soraka was the best combo for Vayne, just sit and afk farm all day while healing her up so she can go dorans blade first item, along with being able to tumble/condemn harass all day and then just have her mana filled back up again. And when a gank comes along you have soraka silence to stop the target from flashing away.
On top of that in solo queue the soraka can't be retarded and try and make plays without you realising, so when plays are being made its only you as vayne making them and you can blink when you are going in. Worked a treat for me :P
Soraka/Alistar best two carries for Vayne. Soraka if you're going to play defensive, Alistar for a kill lane. Vayne at level 4 still has some high burst, you just have to catch them first since she'll come off worse from any trade. So you need to force them out of lane and/or kill them.
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Yep! Did Vayne and Alistar recently, it was one of the funniest wombo combos I ever saw. He knocked up, headbutted into tower, I'd E into wall (the guy was running away from tower at this point, couldn't nail him to tower) and just blasted him. Never seen a GP die that fast.
played a lot of FABULOUS (Taric) last night.. so much fun. Used a build I saw on here for inspiration and went Philo, Mercs, HoG.. lane won by this point so built Stinger, Wits End, and finally Rylai's. Team fights were fun
Had 2 games like that which made me overconfident for my third. Learned about playing more defensively with him in that game, full tank build with as much AS as I could squeeze in there. Pull my game around, but ultimately lost due to all lanes failing and not adapting their games.
I'm not a girl, and I don't know what a "Mendolorian" is.. I think it might be a self healing car that travels through time.
So I am interested in a good build for Lulu as support. Granted she only has a shield, I really like the idea of hanging out in the bushes and then face rolling all my abilities on my carry and watching him nom nom the crap out of bad guys. Any help on ruins, masteries and item build please?
Beginning to wonder about Ruby Sightstone - By the time i can realistically afford to upgrade the normal Sightstone on Ali, i find that i don't really need it anymore; meaning i can build another item quicker.
Maybe my warding isn't good enough; but ive found recently i cant afford (read: can do without) it until laning is basically over and my normal sight stone + a few wards covers the laning phase OK. I find it difficult to ward the more random bits of the map (that IMO the jungler should be doing) as it tends to just get me killed in the jungle. Thoughts?
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I always rush the blue sightstone, then get some item (almost always aegis), then get Ruby during building another item if laning extends.
It just depends, a support can do without items, that's why the current meta is zero-farm support with hyper carry.
Ruby sightstones and 1-2 pinks gives you awesome HP and great map awareness. You probably need to get a bit more used to warding and you'll find out you can never have enough wards.
On taric, i tend to rush sightstone into philo into aegis.
In most cases getting sightstone before philo is a better choice. As for item you need to be able to judge whether you laning and roaming phase will last long enough or you better start building for teamfoghts with faster aegis / locket / w.e
You should always rush the normal sightstone (like, first item rush if you can get away with it, or at least ruby crystal as first buy if you can't), but generally normal sight stone + 1/2 pink wards is enough for laning. I only upgrade to ruby after laning.
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I run 0/9/21 Lulu (sometimes 9/0/21 for 10% cdr and more mpen if I think it will be an easy lane to poke them out in). Runes: hybrid pen reds (mpen reds if you don't have these), flat armor yellows, flat mres blues, and gp5 quints. Gp5 quints are super important for all supports, as they really help boost your gold income so that you can get your philo and sighstone quickly, which in turn further boosts your income.
Grabbing all the gp5 and flat gold masteries is also important, as it lets you do starts like charm, 2x pots, 2x wards, 1x pink ward, which just offers a lot of lane presence and accelerates your philostone purchase. Kage's pick is a good pickup if you are dominating the lane and getting early kills. You can also grab it after your sightstone for longer games, and it turns into a lot of great items on the cheap. Probably don't get kages if you are going to need to buy aegies for your team.
I max R>Q>W>E on lulu, though you can throw additional points into your E as needed to stay alive in the lane. Lulu is a better offensive support in my mind than defensive, so I prefer the additional firepower and lockdown a maxed Q and W brings. This is not to say lulu is bad defensively - she is actually brilliant at turning a bad trade into a double kill - but she tends to do this turnaround with firepower and CC, not just relying on shield HP to save your ADC. Your ult + exhaust + polymorph + super Q slows can just totally rape a fight.
In lane, try to auto-poke your opponents as much as possible. Lulu's AAs are quite powerful early on due to pix's support damage. When you think you can land it, throw a Q into this mix - it hurts like a bitch and massively slows the target, making it easy to follow up with either more autoattacks, or disengage easily so your opponents can't followup with their own damage or initiation.
Remember that you can throw pix around with your E. You can throw her on an enemy, which not only does damage and grants vision, but lets you cast Q easily and from a safe range. You can shield minions the hostile ADC goes to last hit, potentially screwing up their CS and letting you land easy Qs for their trouble (cannon minions are a nice use of this trick). You can shield your ADC when they go in (such as an Ezreal Eing in), which adds a bit of a shield, and then places pix again in an easy position to land Q, allowing your ADC to easily win trades and engage/disengage at will.
The real limitation to lulu is your mana - its so tempting and so easy to spam your spells on her, but she faces real and serious mana limitations in lane. In a full out fight, you can easily 100-0 your own mana pool in no time at all. Be judicious with your spells and rely on your autoattacks as much as possible. That said, don't be timid - Lulu will cut adcs in the laning phase and can single-handily zone people that let you get free damage in. Those that don't respect you can easily give you first blood.
On most supports I'd get philostone before sightstone - it gives you a lot of sustain in the lane and gives you the raw GP5 you need to save up for the more expensive sightstone. I really like ruby sightstone personally, and I'll grab it when we start branching out past bot lane (or if the gold I have on back works out nicely for it). The third ward from ruby Sightstone isn't anything to scoff at, and lets you get a lot better intelligence for free around all the map objectives. The higher ward-capacity of ruby SS also allows you to aggressively re-ward the map as you and your team move around. You can ward an objective, take it, and then reward to cover the lanes without backing.
If the lane phase is going on for a long time, you can delay the ruby sightstone for a while unless you really need the HP (though in that case, you should probably get a kindlegem). There are less places you need to ward in this situation, so just rush more relevant items and then swing back to the ruby sightstone when you are no longer trapped in bot.
Last edited by Vortex; March 21 2013 at 11:08:12 PM.
You run fiddle with someone on comms with you. Silence-Fear-Drain with your AD carries combo = one of the easiest and best potential kill lanes. Its a little easy to counter however, engage first with pink wards in their brush. Its not for everyone but its not a bad support.
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fiddle support is fun. we did a lane swap with top so we did 2v1 with fid support then swapped back after early tower. was good timesYou run fiddle with someone on comms with you. Silence-Fear-Drain with your AD carries combo = one of the easiest and best potential kill lanes. Its a little easy to counter however, engage first with pink wards in their brush. Its not for everyone but its not a bad support.
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