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    Support is the only role I have no real experience of playing. Which supports should I learn? I own pretty much all of them and could buy Sona (whom I think is going to be the recommendation) if needed.


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    Most common supports are Janna, Sona, Soraka, Taric, Alistar. All have optimal lane pairings to work with, will write more when at home.
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    Sona is easy mode support. And has the best aura choices. Want speed? Press E. Want MOAR DAMAGE? Press Q, instant Aegis of the Legion.

    She's probably my favorite of those. Still bitter they put Muse Sona on sale three weeks after I bought it full price.

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    Taric and Alistar best supports and hardest to utilize well. Sona and Janna easy, sona more sustain, janna full aggresive. Soraka derp omg i click a spell and did my job easiest one. Blitz, Mao, GP, Lux also pretty good but with no sustain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Bob View Post
    You can't get a mana manipulator because then you wouldn't afford wards.
    Quote Originally Posted by Voulture View Post
    With current changes to mp5 runes and mana regeneration on champions (it's up for about a year i think) there is no need in game to use it. Usually unless someone have no idea what to do you should be able to play without buying any mana regen items whole game on ad carries and be just fine. Enough from replenishing in fountain when buying. You really need a ward at start, just start a custom game, buy a ward and than think what you could buy to start a game. This is an absolute minimum, having more wards than 1 will let you stay in lane much longer and get more xp and maybe even spend some aggressively.

    Good start as well, if you play Ali especially is boots ward pot. Otherwise if you do not know how good you will do in lane, mana thing 3 wards 2 pots is perfect. Give you huge sustain (400hp from pots), 3 wards to adapt to lane (will explain later - i could actually do a small guide for supporting bottom i someone is interesting - would cover warding and adapting to lane) and a part from gp5.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hehulk View Post
    I also wouldn't stay in lane that long as a support. I tend to be backing first time around the 5 1/2 minute mark to finish up my philo stone. 6~ if I've already run out of wards and just need 1 to tide the lane over under I can back and get a couple more.

    For more mana hungry chars I have rushed a mana manipulator, although if I've got to contend with sorakas sustain I find it's almost mandatory unless your really out-playing the lane. Saying that though, I did see l0cus run a tear on support sona last night, and that's kind of got me wondering about swaping it out. Would probably solve the late-game issue I have with sona where I'm out of blue stuff after what doesn't feel like a very long period.
    About what I figured. I usually B about the time I have cash for philo and boots, but I like having enough sustain handy to not need to right away if the lane situation wants me there a minute longer. Manip was curiousity - it's a nice direct support item if you've got the right pairing, but I figured it'd be inferior, was just wondering if anyone actually did it. Suppose that if you really wanted mana sustain, you'd just run Soraka. And Voul, I'd like to see that guide.
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    Pretty much. Sorakas mana restoration makes a mana manipulator look almost pointless in comparison.

    On a side note, I tried out the tear build I saw locus go with on Sona last night, and my gut reaction was you really need an extended laning phase for it to be any kind of ok. So for pro games, awesome, great idea, but if your moving into where I would say the mid game is when you've lost a couple of towers, have one or two of the enemys down (or not, bad games happen) earlier on (15 mins was when we hit this stage) it's less great.

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    Loving supportcrank atm but starting fairey charm doesn't help your mana use early on since it tends to get used in big bursts not sustained use, mana crystal is just not suitable for a support build.

    ATM am rolling
    gp/10 quints, armour yellows, mana blues, armour pen reds, 0/9/21 cv and flash.
    charm, three wards plus pots.
    pilo stone + boots
    avarice blade
    tear/sheen (depending on cash if nobody is dying in bot lane you picked the wrong support)
    manamune and shroud/frozen heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irion View Post
    Loving supportcrank atm but starting fairey charm doesn't help your mana use early on since it tends to get used in big bursts not sustained use, mana crystal is just not suitable for a support build.

    ATM am rolling
    gp/10 quints, armour yellows, mana blues, armour pen reds, 0/9/21 cv and flash.
    charm, three wards plus pots.
    pilo stone + boots
    avarice blade
    tear/sheen (depending on cash if nobody is dying in bot lane you picked the wrong support)
    manamune and shroud/frozen heart.
    Meki Pendant maybe? Builds into Tear/Manamune, gives you more mana refill after a big burst. Means you need to have the carry buy the first ward or go without potions though, both of which are pretty sketchy.
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    I might start giving supportcrank a go, need a really aggressive ad carry + early ward and then you can just punish the enemy ad carry so hard

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    Mao trist best lane. Mao graves might be just as good.

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    I'm really partial to running Leona support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herschel Yamamoto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Irion View Post
    Loving supportcrank atm but starting fairey charm doesn't help your mana use early on since it tends to get used in big bursts not sustained use, mana crystal is just not suitable for a support build.

    ATM am rolling
    gp/10 quints, armour yellows, mana blues, armour pen reds, 0/9/21 cv and flash.
    charm, three wards plus pots.
    pilo stone + boots
    avarice blade
    tear/sheen (depending on cash if nobody is dying in bot lane you picked the wrong support)
    manamune and shroud/frozen heart.
    Meki Pendant maybe? Builds into Tear/Manamune, gives you more mana refill after a big burst. Means you need to have the carry buy the first ward or go without potions though, both of which are pretty sketchy.
    The problem with that is it means even less money for wards and pots at level 1, blitz needs pots and everyone needs wards, it still doesn't deal with the small pool and it delays your first gp/10 item and blitz benefits to much from having some spending money to do this IMHO. maybe swapping out the reds or yellows for flat mana might work and build a avarice earlier for late game ghost blade.
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    I finally tested Sona.
    She's totally awesome, finished the game with 5 kills, 0 deaths, 40 assists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jindo Minian View Post
    I finally tested Sona.
    She's totally awesome, finished the game with 5 kills, 0 deaths, 40 assists.
    Core item on her is Tears/AA Staff. She spams so hard even without CDR, it's silly not to get extra mana so you can continue said spamming. I'd get Mejai's too, it's pretty easy to maintain the stacks with her. And getting a free Rabadon outta it isn't bad either if your team isn't derp and manages to get you to 20 stacks.

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    If you want to learn about support watch this guy.

    http://www.own3d.tv/live/151332/Abil..._-_Nhat_Nguyen

    He's EG's support player and probably one of if not the best in the game. He also commentates his matches explaining why he's doing the things he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jindo Minian View Post
    I finally tested Sona.
    She's totally awesome, finished the game with 5 kills, 0 deaths, 40 assists.
    Core item on her is Tears/AA Staff. She spams so hard even without CDR, it's silly not to get extra mana so you can continue said spamming. I'd get Mejai's too, it's pretty easy to maintain the stacks with her. And getting a free Rabadon outta it isn't bad either if your team isn't derp and manages to get you to 20 stacks.
    Nope.

    Tear and Mejais sound good, and if you get a couple of early assists and have the spare gold, go for it, but your core items are:

    1) Gold per 10 items.
    2) Wards.
    3) Wards.
    4) +1 Boots.
    5) Aura Items.
    6) Did I say wards?

    Delaying wards and gp10 items for wards destroys your team's map awareness and dragon control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zekk Pacus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jindo Minian View Post
    I finally tested Sona.
    She's totally awesome, finished the game with 5 kills, 0 deaths, 40 assists.
    Core item on her is Tears/AA Staff. She spams so hard even without CDR, it's silly not to get extra mana so you can continue said spamming. I'd get Mejai's too, it's pretty easy to maintain the stacks with her. And getting a free Rabadon outta it isn't bad either if your team isn't derp and manages to get you to 20 stacks.
    Nope.

    Tear and Mejais sound good, and if you get a couple of early assists and have the spare gold, go for it, but your core items are:

    1) Gold per 10 items.
    2) Wards.
    3) Wards.
    4) +1 Boots.
    5) Aura Items.
    6) Did I say wards?

    Delaying wards and gp10 items for wards destroys your team's map awareness and dragon control.
    You wrongly assume they don't come after GP5's.

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    If you don't have 18 wards as support you're doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    If you don't have 18 wards as support you're doing it wrong.
    Also must be strategically placed around the wall of your base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jindo Minian View Post
    I finally tested Sona.
    She's totally awesome, finished the game with 5 kills, 0 deaths, 40 assists.
    if i have to play support, i usually pick her too. she is easy to play like soraka but feels more versatile to me.

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