[PVP] Fleet Tempest

[Pattern]

So...

Almost a year after the minmatar boost/faction BS changes can we all agree that making this a machariel lite was a poor move given how little I see them?

7th turret or 6/6 slot layout versions would seem sweet about now... As for my fit, still has T2 CDFE's

[Zavior]

[Tempest Fleet Issue, small gang logisupport]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

802 deeps without drones, 3.9+39km
99k ehp
1284m/s with mwd

fly like you would fly a normal pest, but with an extra gyro and more like 20k more ehp and a bit more speed. Swap cap booster for LSE if you feel like its not needed.
Faster than drake with 2 nanos

[The Djego]

Almost a year after the minmatar boost/faction BS changes can we all agree that making this a machariel lite was a poor move given how little I see them?

The minmatar boost was in the winter expansion 2 years ago... Source: http://www.eveonline.com/updates/pat...patchlogID=194

I would agree that the 6/6 to 5/7 change was retarded, I also think I posted this in the threads back in the days.

[Gix Tyrionn]

its meant to be an armor tanker, more base armor, less base shield etc, unfortunately the same resists. Probably works wonders as an rr platform instead of the tempest and does ok as a rep tempest with a bigger buffer. IMO navy bs are too pricey for some 20-30% increase in stats, especially if its used in a group role like most bs. The constant deflation of lp may make them worth it someday soon.

[Tempest Fleet Issue, rr- 20% better tempest all around]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Warp Scrambler II
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1



[Tempest Fleet Issue, armor tempest, double buffer]
Damage Control II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Gyrostabilizer II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 800
Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 800
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II

Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1

[Pattern]

The minmatar boost was in the winter expansion 2 years ago... Source: http://www.eveonline.com/updates/pat...patchlogID=194

Christ!

[RoemySchneider]

time sure flies when you're on crack -.-


[Tempest Fleet Issue, New Setup 1]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1


meh... shield transporters are still terribru

[Pattern]

Navy phoon is just about worth it, more grid/cpu, more drones, hp, speed/agility sensor strength and another low slot at 200-300mill ish. Yes please...

A 7 low slot tempest in a world in which most fly with shield fits for 400-500mill...

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Navy phoon is just about worth it, more grid/cpu, more drones, hp, speed/agility sensor strength and another low slot at 200-300mill ish. Yes please...

A 7 low slot tempest in a world in which most fly with shield fits for 400-500mill...

To be fair, the navy issues also get boosted HP, etc.

The fleet tempest is ~mainly~ a not-very-useful bling ship, however, it technically does have some fairly distinct advantages:

putting a nanofiber in the extra lowslot (as opposed to, say, a 3rd TE)

101k ehp vs. 73.7k EHP

1284 vs. 1067m/s

9.2 vs 12.1s align time (which combined with the speed increase means a pretty damn substantial mobility boost)

and still sports identical engagement range and DPS.


so basically 30k more EHP, +200m/s, and shaves ~30% off align time. All in all not bad if you have the cashflow on hand and you fly carefully. The fleet tag will make you a lot more engageable, so you may actually get ~more~ kills...

[LordsServant]

To be fair, the navy issues also get boosted HP, etc.

The fleet tempest is ~mainly~ a not-very-useful bling ship, however, it technically does have some fairly distinct advantages:

putting a nanofiber in the extra lowslot (as opposed to, say, a 3rd TE)

101k ehp vs. 73.7k EHP

1284 vs. 1067m/s

9.2 vs 12.1s align time (which combined with the speed increase means a pretty damn substantial mobility boost)

and still sports identical engagement range and DPS.


so basically 30k more EHP, +200m/s, and shaves ~30% off align time. All in all not bad if you have the cashflow on hand and you fly carefully. The fleet tag will make you a lot more engageable, so you may actually get ~more~ kills...

So.....machariel lite?

I'd rather just pay 200-300m more and get an oldskool uncatchable-nano-1kdps-rapemachine-of-death.

With the kind of isk u should be putting into a proper fit u might as well buy a Mach anyways

-Lords

[Tsubutai]

So.....machariel lite?

I'd rather just pay 200-300m more and get an oldskool uncatchable-nano-1kdps-rapemachine-of-death.

With the kind of isk u should be putting into a proper fit u might as well buy a Mach anyways

-Lords

I daresay that there's more than a few people/gangs that would run from a Mach but happily engage a fleet pest.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

So.....machariel lite?

I'd rather just pay 200-300m more and get an oldskool uncatchable-nano-1kdps-rapemachine-of-death.

With the kind of isk u should be putting into a proper fit u might as well buy a Mach anyways

-Lords

You wouldn't really need to sink much in to make a proper fit, hell you could T2 fit it (plenty of people do with machs as well)

The main advantage the tempest (would) bring to the table is 2x Heavy Neutralizers. From the standpoint of solopwnmobile, being able to bring 2x neuts to the table can devestate most ships (you won't be bringing down a sleipnir in time with only a single heavy neut)

fortunately, you can modify the mach to deliver similar solopwn neutralizing.

Using a 2x Heavy Neut / 1x Heavy Cap Booster fit on the mach you get

--98k EHP (mach) / 101k EHP (fleet pest) (both with 2x Invuln)

--981 DPS / 981 DPS (short range)

--3.9 + 59 Range / 3.9 + 39 Range (though this advantage isn't necessarily overwhelming if you are staying inside point range, it will affect applied dps at the edge of overheated point range and with loki boosts, of course, but inside NEUT range there is very little difference)

--1647m/s (6.6s align) / 1284m/s (9.2 align) This is of course what makes the mach completely OP, as its faster AND aligns faster than a majority of non-nano HACs... much less BCs. **1x Nanofiber each, could give the mach more range or damage and still be faster than the Pest.

--The mach also has marginally better shield recharge and capacitor life, but nothing spectacularly different.




Obviously 2x Neut / Booster fits are not common, however, I was going to point out one of the advantages of the pest was dual heavy neuts and ran the comparison based on that.

The machariel is blindingly superior due to the falloff and speed advantages, but is 2-300m more base hull cost, and is WAY less engageable, even solo.

[Pattern]

So essencially the only reason why someone shouldn't get a mach is because everyones afraid of it?

Also the Mach does more dps with 2 neuts fitted (drones)

[Tyrus Tenebros]

So essencially the only reason why someone shouldn't get a mach is because everyones afraid of it?

Also the Mach does more dps with 2 neuts fitted (drones)

If you use heavy drones you're nearly guaranteed to not do full dps so no.


otherwise, yes, and realistically when you're looking at engagement profiles whether or not somebody is willing to open fire and pursue is a big part


in other words asking if people will never engage due to incorrect info is a bad thing, you might as well shut down eve.

[Dan Pyre]

[Tempest Fleet Issue, Dual Rep Pest whaddup ribs]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Large YF-12a Smartbomb

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Berserker II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II

Numbers: (all level V)
631 DPS sustained tank with neut, mwd, and smartbomb off for 4m 44s (948 DPS tank overheated, standard exile)
918 DPS done, turrets are 3 + 24 with republic fleet phased plasma (1009 DPS overheated)
1036m/s (1482m/s overheated lol minmatar armor boats)
84k EHP base (13k armor)
80/66/61/54 resists (explo resist rig perhaps?)

Smartbomb for ecm drone faggotry, neut for tacklers etc
can downgrade guns to fit a heavy neut iirc, can also drop the eccm for a medium cap booster to fit an extra navy 800

The ship itself is a nice alternative to the Machariel.

[Shiodome]

So essencially the only reason why someone shouldn't get a mach is because everyones afraid of it?

Also the Mach does more dps with 2 neuts fitted (drones)

you're laughing as if that isn't an entirely sensible reason to fly something. =/

[Tyrus Tenebros]

you're laughing as if that isn't an entirely sensible reason to fly something. =/

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For
Truth



The fact that the mach delivers what ultimately prove to be trivial advantages to competent pilots, while also being MUCH more expensive, is another reminder that you claim to have been unsubbed for a lonnnnng time

[Pattern]

you're laughing as if that isn't an entirely sensible reason to fly something. =/

Huh?

If you wanted to go low key and do stuff in hard mode, stick with vanilla tempest. If the only reason to fly it is because it says, "I'm not a Mach.... honest.", there are probably better ships.

[felix-arb]

aww man this was the first faction bs i ever had, i used to web the shit out of stuff and still have an eccm slot, yould get 10k vagas derping into you for the bump

bring back 6 meds

[Tsubutai]

[Tempest Fleet Issue, XLASB]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Domination 100MN MicroWarpdrive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Valkyrie II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Picked this up the other day since the hulls are back down to ~300m (yay tier 5). Not sure I'll get much use out of it, but it sure looks purty in the hangar. 162k EHP before reload with heat/blue pill, 861 dps before heat, and 1.3 km/s with a 13s prop-active align.

[Lallante]

you're laughing as if that isn't an entirely sensible reason to fly something. =/

Quoted
For
Truth



The fact that the mach delivers what ultimately prove to be trivial advantages to competent pilots, while also being MUCH more expensive, is another reminder that you claim to have been unsubbed for a lonnnnng time

Sorry but the speed and agility differences are not in any way trivial.