Reality Check

[Virtuozzo]

On the contrary, Two Step is one of the more vocal and active members of the CSM. As in CSM5, there is no practical difference between main and alt delegates.

Indeed.

[Marlona Sky]

Someone should do what Hollywood studios do when a director of a franchise makes a shit film: fire him and get a new director.

Eve needs a new developer, CCP ain't cutting it.

Wrong.

Eve needs a new producer who will provide some real money so the director can actually bring his vision to life. You can have one of the best directors in the world, but your budget is twenty dollars, good luck.

[Tarminic]

Moving EVE to an entirely new developer wouldn't be like giving a movie a new director, it'd be like giving a series an entirely new production crew that does not share any common language or technique with the old one. You think the POS code is neglected now?

[noobcake]

On the contrary, Two Step is one of the more vocal and active members of the CSM. As in CSM5, there is no practical difference between main and alt delegates.

if theres no difference, why does CCP tack on an "alternate" title? i thought alternates were only there if the primaries were unable to perform their duties. Im not saying I dont appreciate it, but CCP is sending mixed signlas as to what roles do what.

[two step]

if theres no difference, why does CCP tack on an "alternate" title? i thought alternates were only there if the primaries were unable to perform their duties. Im not saying I dont appreciate it, but CCP is sending mixed signlas as to what roles do what.

In CSM6, the only difference is that I probably don't get to go to the summits. Other than that, there is no difference.

[noobcake]

In CSM6, the only difference is that I probably don't get to go to the summits. Other than that, there is no difference.

...they should just get it over with and realize that the more active CSM members, alternate or not, should be apart of the summits.

[two step]

...they should just get it over with and realize that the more active CSM members, alternate or not, should be apart of the summits.

Well, to be fair to them, it would cost more to fly more folks over and whatnot. I do agree that 9 people is not enough to get a full spectrum of views, but that is what was chosen by CCP.

[noobcake]

Well, to be fair to them, it would cost more to fly more folks over and whatnot. I do agree that 9 people is not enough to get a full spectrum of views, but that is what was chosen by CCP.

i was actually suggesting the fact that you're one of the more available CSM members of the term. Theres 2 or 3 guys I havent seen or heard nary a peep from since the term started...It's in CCPs best interest to bring the members of the CSM to the table who actually want to do more than get a free trip to Iceland.

[Mynxee]

i was actually suggesting the fact that you're one of the more available CSM members of the term. Theres 2 or 3 guys I havent seen or heard nary a peep from since the term started...It's in CCPs best interest to bring the members of the CSM to the table who actually want to do more than get a free trip to Iceland.

Personally I feel that CSM delegates should be responsible for selecting as a group which alt(s) sub for delegates who can't attend a summit, based on whatever criteria the CSM agrees to at the start of their term. Maybe its vote count, maybe its merit-based in some way based on participation. But it might at least mitigate the shitty situation where an alt who hasn't done shit gets to go to Iceland ahead of an alt who has worked as hard as any delegate. CCP should have no say in the matter.

[bobgainsfield]

Well, to be fair to them, it would cost more to fly more folks over and whatnot. I do agree that 9 people is not enough to get a full spectrum of views, but that is what was chosen by CCP.

I don't know if the CSM (current or past) know the actual financial issues involved, but does CCP pay the full cost out of pocket, or can they spin a portion of the Iceland CSM trip as a tax write-off? It's terribly not on topic, but I've always wondered.

[Sponk]

I don't know if the CSM (current or past) know the actual financial issues involved, but does CCP pay the full cost out of pocket, or can they spin a portion of the Iceland CSM trip as a tax write-off? It's terribly not on topic, but I've always wondered.

I cant see why it would not be written off as consulting expenses.

[Mynxee]

I don't know if the CSM (current or past) know the actual financial issues involved, but does CCP pay the full cost out of pocket, or can they spin a portion of the Iceland CSM trip as a tax write-off? It's terribly not on topic, but I've always wondered.

The foot the entire bill for flights and hotel; plus a couple of meals, and you eat at their cafeteria for lunch on meeting days. This is one thing they do very well, and are very good about working with each delegate to ensure reasonable flights, connection times, etc (but you do have to state your desires in that regard). Also...within the limits of Iceland tax code, no reason all CSM expenses wouldn't be written off as a business expense.

[bobgainsfield]

I cant see why it would not be written off as consulting expenses.

Also...within the limits of Iceland tax code, no reason all CSM expenses wouldn't be written off as a business expense.

That was exactly my reasoning as well, just wanted to hear it from someone in the know.

I've always wondered a bit when people talk about CCP taking the massive hit from the various CSM trips... lots of companies are willing to do fun and expensive things for tax write-offs. Thanks kindly for the replies!

You must spread some Reputation around before blah blah blah

[Mynxee]

That was exactly my reasoning as well, just wanted to hear it from someone in the know.

I've always wondered a bit when people talk about CCP taking the massive hit from the various CSM trips... lots of companies are willing to do fun and expensive things for tax write-offs. Thanks kindly for the replies!

You must spread some Reputation around before blah blah blah

The hit from CSM trips is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the annual company trip that CCP underwrites, I imagine.

[Al Simmons]

Moving EVE to an entirely new developer wouldn't be like giving a movie a new director, it'd be like giving a series an entirely new production crew that does not share any common language or technique with the old one. You think the POS code is neglected now?

I really think you would have to go a long way to find a worse developer than CCP.

[two step]

Personally I feel that CSM delegates should be responsible for selecting as a group which alt(s) sub for delegates who can't attend a summit, based on whatever criteria the CSM agrees to at the start of their term. Maybe its vote count, maybe its merit-based in some way based on participation. But it might at least mitigate the shitty situation where an alt who hasn't done shit gets to go to Iceland ahead of an alt who has worked as hard as any delegate. CCP should have no say in the matter.

I'd actually go a little further than that. For example, *nobody* on the CSM has heard a single word from Prometheus Exenthal this entire term. He hasn't posted a single post to the CSM forums, never came on Skype at all, hasn't emailed us, etc. I'd like to kick him off the CSM entirely. Right now, he is the 2nd alternate, so if 2 folks couldn't go to a summit, he in theory could just go to Iceland.

[Dodgy Past]

I'd actually go a little further than that. For example, *nobody* on the CSM has heard a single word from Prometheus Exenthal this entire term. He hasn't posted a single post to the CSM forums, never came on Skype at all, hasn't emailed us, etc. I'd like to kick him off the CSM entirely. Right now, he is the 2nd alternate, so if 2 folks couldn't go to a summit, he in theory could just go to Iceland.

Wouldn't deny that you'd have been more deserving of my third vote than him.

I suspect you will get a full place next time round.

[dpidcoe]

I really think you would have to go a long way to find a worse developer than CCP.

Funcom.

[Mavolio]

I cant see why it would not be written off as consulting expenses.

I assume the Plex donations to good causes is a tax write off as well.

[bobgainsfield]

I assume the Plex donations to good causes is a tax write off as well.

And it gets PLEX off the market, double bonus!