[PVP] Absolution

[Shiodome]

I think we can agree that it's a terrible setup that works because people expect something else

[Tyrus Tenebros]

I think we can agree that it's a terrible setup that works because people expect something else

I'm pretty much +1 here.


To provide content for a post in a forum that isnt ass yet, and to elaborate: yes, we understand why it works. To recommend it as a successful fit.... ok it deserves some debate but realistically a competent opponent would trash you.

Frankly, 1300m/s (roughly!) are simply NOT enough to perform as a kite ship beyond the initial shock value.

[Suleiman Shouaa]

I'm pretty much +1 here.


To provide content for a post in a forum that isnt ass yet, and to elaborate: yes, we understand why it works. To recommend it as a successful fit.... ok it deserves some debate but realistically a competent opponent would trash you.

Frankly, 1300m/s (roughly!) are simply NOT enough to perform as a kite ship beyond the initial shock value.

Shield Harbingers/Canes work (1300m/s roughly!) so I don't see your point. Meh, this works better vs light support then either of them.

[Shiroi Okami]

Absolution does more DPS and is better at killing enemy interceptors who don't charge you. It also has a neut (I suppose that's counteracted by the fact the Nighthawk can be fit with dual webs ala Podla Drake style).

Also again, the Nighthawk does have a reputation of kiting, which is probably the funniest thing about my Absolution - people run away from me which is great.

O.O People seriously pull range against an absolution? That's so retarded, even with an armour fit it will out dps anything bar a sleipnir at 20-24km. There's only one thing to do when facing a ship with bad cap and bad tracking, brawl dat shit.

That said the nano abso is all right in theory, but I do agree that the harb is much better bang for your buck. I do love my shield harbs

Edit: tyrus 1300ms is plenty fast enough to

A) kill vagabonds and other nanoshit

B) Escape blobs

C) Control range vs other battlecruisers

[jockothemonkey]

Goes 1200 ms, 480dps with scorch and about 80k ehp. If you want to kite this would probably work better than the shield setup.
[Absolution, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

[whispous]

Goes 1200 ms, 480dps with scorch and about 80k ehp. If you want to kite this would probably work better than the shield setup.
[Absolution, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Wow.

[ry ry]

is 1600plate+2polys+nano not a bit.. uuh.. counter productive?

besides 1200m/s is slow enough you could still kite that in a dual nano drake or whatevs.

[Smuggo]

Ban Augusts.

[ry ry]

edit. ignore i dun derped.

[Rania Serlia]

Surprised there was no absolution thread. Prophecy thread made me do it.

This is the fit I used to run. In the time I flew them, I never lost an absolution in combat(though I've lost more than one to my various alliances being bad at holding outposts), but I did have a couple that got saved by :falcon: or more rarely :triage:. This may also be in part to largely flying it only with people in Astartes and Sleipnirs.

[Absolution, Dualrep]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I


Hornet II x5

511/654 tanked, 639/817 w/imp. exile, 1422/1819 with imp exile and legion. From actual combat time in it, cap stability is an issue here for sure. 701/792 damage dealt. Before you point and laugh, I did have one that was plated. I flew it once. It's already a bit sluggish with armor rigs, with a plate it's a friggin brick.

[Lallante]

Beam-solution. Would it work? How to fit? Is it useful?

[Daneel Trevize]

[Absolution, beams?!]

Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I


Warrior II x5

So, no, just bring an Amarr BS? Also have more drones & cap.

[Vortex]

Beam-solution. Would it work? How to fit? Is it useful?

TBH, beams suck unless your talking about sniper zealots (which I'm not sure if anyone uses anymore?), or tachyons. In the first instance, you're relying on the quad bonus towards lasers on the zealot to make the beams worth fitting, on the second instance, you're relying on the massive damage output of tachyons, even at extreme range, to make them worth fitting. I can't really think of any other instance where beams are good.


For point of comparison, Megapulse lasers with Scorch L have 95% the effective tracking of Heavy Beam Aurora, but somewhere around double the damage output at similar range. Sure you're firing a bit farther with Aurora M, but uh, who cares about your 300 dps at 60km? Besides, if you wanted to be shooting in the 60-80km range, an Apoc would do it a whole lot better. The Oracle further puts a damper on mid-range beam ships, as the Oracle is 1) massive DPS and 2) fast enough to stay at range. So you can chillax at 50-60km with your 2x TE Scorch L Oracle and do well above double the dps of that absolution, and with better tracking and speed (and far less ship cost).

[felix-arb]

so i used to fly this ship all the time, lost allot of dual rep ones mostly due to cap issues and such, but that was before the time of every enemy yould be facing was hurricanes

anyway was looking to make this more viable so i came up with something a little more fotm, ive not had the chance to try it yet but its sat in jita ready to go..


[Absolution, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

Warrior II x5


its really based around having loki links goes 1500ms with 30k pulses a little active tank to mop up the damage and about 60kehp. 662 dps at 32k 888 at 11k

i also have lg snakes which pushes it up too 1700ms which is nice


as for beams they havnt really worked on abso's since locus rig nerf (re: nano nerf)

[Suleiman Shouaa]

You want a neut or a web (or ideally both) to deal with enemy frigates - tracking of HPLs is terrible <5km.

[felix-arb]

You want a neut or a web (or ideally both) to deal with enemy frigates - tracking of HPLs is terrible <5km.

lowsec ftw

[Suleiman Shouaa]

You want a neut or a web (or ideally both) to deal with enemy frigates - tracking of HPLs is terrible <5km.

lowsec ftw

Enjoy fighting only within 150km of a gate in every system + station games then.....?

[Helen]

[Absolution, armor CS]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I / Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I (if running WITHOUT armor links)
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


151k EHP w/Legion Links
548 Dps @ 26+6.5 w/scorch + optimal (heats to 630)
767 Dps @ 7.5+5 w/Conflag + tracking (Heats to 882)

Solid Resists of 86.1,82,87,91.7 Under Legion Link w/2x Trimark
W/o Legion Links: 81.3,80.5,82.5,88.8 w/1x Trimark 1x Thermal (98.9k EHP)

Basically, if you can't fly/afford a proteus/legion for pimpstah armor t3 fleets(you better upgrade those EANMs to faction too), and can't/don't want to fly a guardian, this is your boat so you don't get laughed off comms by bringing a ~zealot~

Obviously a very fleet-centric ship, I haven't found a soloing setup I like except for a terribru nano one that is generally obsolete when compared to oracles in one way, and is inferior to another ship when compared in a different way.

[Vehlin]

This is used almost exclusively in small gang WH engagements and so is the ship providing Armour bonus (a Damnation would be a waste of DPS).

The point could be swapped out for a scram if that's your thing, it's entirely personal choice. The Abso's limited CPU and Grid makes it almost impossible to fit 6 T2 guns and a T2 link without killing the tank thus the single Focused.

[Absolution, WH PvP Link]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5

ME-805, Armored Warfare Mindlink, EG-603.

912 DPS with 126k EHP.
You can up the ANPs to A-Type and get 140k EHP if you wanted to drop the isk on it.

[Daneel Trevize]

DPS + EHP 4lyfe, homie

Mixed guns iz da shizzle, fuck da haters!

But seriously, probably 1 of the reasons I never lost a Proteus, with CS5 that thing is a close support beast.