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    Re concealed carry:

    I'm late to reply here but in addition I'd look at Kahr's offerings in 9mm or .40, or a small revolver.

    My CCW started as a Glock 19, then changed to a Glock 26 (subcompact) and now is a S&W 642 (hammerless snubby that weighs half what my G26 did).

    Holsters are extremely important. I didn't like what was out there and started making my own a few years ago. My latest is a kydex pocket/IWB holster with a removable shield plate to eliminate printing (I like tight clothes)

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    Actually an '06.

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    so a bit late, but 7n6 confirmed to be banned from import.

    http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...mmunition.html

    so pretty much the reason behind the ban is that someone allegedly asked for permission to import an obscure pistol-version (aka rifle with no stock) of a rifle which only 200 were ever produced

    http://www.thebangswitch.com/bye-bye-7n6/

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    Our gun laws are fucking -insane-. Why in the everliving fuck would you not judge a round's armor penetration capabilities by, oh, I don't know. FUCKING EMPIRICALLY TESTING IT!? See also the clusterfuck of SBR vs rifle-caliber pistol bullshit that we have that differentiates between manufactured states instead of just legislating based on current form factor. I guess sawing the stock and barrel off a rifle is more evil than just manufacturing a gun with a short barrel and no stock?

    WTB: Reset button for our gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophichius View Post
    Our gun laws are fucking -insane-. Why in the everliving fuck would you not judge a round's armor penetration capabilities by, oh, I don't know. FUCKING EMPIRICALLY TESTING IT!? See also the clusterfuck of SBR vs rifle-caliber pistol bullshit that we have that differentiates between manufactured states instead of just legislating based on current form factor. I guess sawing the stock and barrel off a rifle is more evil than just manufacturing a gun with a short barrel and no stock?

    WTB: Reset button for our gun laws.

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    If you reset guns along with your gun laws they'd be outlawed, and rightly so

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    Go be retarded somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Go be retarded somewhere else.
    >implying guns are a good thing

    lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisReaper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Go be retarded somewhere else.
    >implying guns are a good thing

    lmao
    As if any one in this thread cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisReaper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Go be retarded somewhere else.
    >implying guns are a good thing

    lmao
    I'm with xeno on this one. We should get back to sticks and stones.

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    It is extremely dumb that short barreled rifles are somehow more dangerous than a rifle with a 16" barrel. If anything it is less dangerous due to lower velocities. If you're concerned about concealable power, then they should ban the .500 S&W revolvers that are about the same size.

    Also xeno go be a furry weeaboo faggot somewhere else
    Actually an '06.

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    What gun is that? Looks like an AK of some sort with all Magpul gear and a 9mm mag?

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    Vityaz that evolved from the helical mag Bizon (a shame, really).

    http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pp-19-01-vityaz-e.html
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pp-19-bizon-e.html

    Supposed to replace AKS-74U in police units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Vityaz that won over helical mag Bizon (a shame, really).

    http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pp-19-01-vityaz-e.html
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pp-19-bizon-e.html

    Supposed to replace AKS-74U in police units.
    Didn't realize there was a demand to replace the Bizon, or that Russia had finally adapted the 9x19 round. Looks like a pretty cool gun, what's wrong with it?

    EDIT: looks like there's talk of a US import agreement, which I'm sure is on hold due to current political climate, but I really want one now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Vityaz that evolved from the helical mag Bizon (a shame, really).

    http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pp-19-01-vityaz-e.html
    http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pp-19-bizon-e.html

    Supposed to replace AKS-74U in police units.
    This brand new SMG was designed for the Russian police?

    I hope it's not going to be a standard-issue weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue1* View Post
    Didn't realize there was a demand to replace the Bizon, or that Russia had finally adapted the 9x19 round. Looks like a pretty cool gun, what's wrong with it?
    There wasn't many Bizons around and they can use box mags too. Vityaz, however, can not use helicals as it's handguard does not accomodate them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evelgrivion View Post
    This brand new SMG was designed for the Russian police?

    I hope it's not going to be a standard-issue weapon.
    Development started 20 or so years ago but financing has been tight as it's not a priority.
    Yes it's police weapon as army and FSB have no interest in SMGs.

    Yes it is.
    AKS-74U is widely used by GAI/GIBDD (road police) and by police on calls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cue1* View Post
    Didn't realize there was a demand to replace the Bizon, or that Russia had finally adapted the 9x19 round. Looks like a pretty cool gun, what's wrong with it?
    There wasn't many Bizons around and they can use box mags too. Vityaz, however, can not use helicals as it's handguard does not accomodate them.
    So what exactly is the advantage of the vityaz other than a real cartridge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue1* View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cue1* View Post
    Didn't realize there was a demand to replace the Bizon, or that Russia had finally adapted the 9x19 round. Looks like a pretty cool gun, what's wrong with it?
    There wasn't many Bizons around and they can use box mags too. Vityaz, however, can not use helicals as it's handguard does not accomodate them.
    So what exactly is the advantage of the vityaz other than a real cartridge?

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    Cartridge and more similar to the 74U (handguard area) for ease of maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue1* View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cue1* View Post
    Didn't realize there was a demand to replace the Bizon, or that Russia had finally adapted the 9x19 round. Looks like a pretty cool gun, what's wrong with it?
    There wasn't many Bizons around and they can use box mags too. Vityaz, however, can not use helicals as it's handguard does not accomodate them.
    So what exactly is the advantage of the vityaz other than a real cartridge?

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    Bizon had a 9mm para and 7.62 TT versions, you shut your whore mouth!

    *runs out crying*


    Furthermore they both can into russian AP ammo (550 and 750 J).

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    Meanwhile in russia:


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