I don't need IT, ipads fuck ralara every day (IT thread)

[Liare]

What linux desktop / laptop distro's are hip these days.
Ubuntu can suck a dick, i'm too lazy to use frebsd any more..... and i'm not ricer enough for gentoo.

recommend me yours.

running mint on my netbook, its simple, easy, based off Ubuntu and it comes with a sane interface that's that good old lovely Windows grey, by default.

so what's not to like ?

I've done gentoo. It's a pointless waste of time and you won't learn anything from it except how to use gentoo. I guess it was kinda neat at first as I was learning linux. It also didn't run particularly fast, which was kind of the point.

>won't learn anything from it
>was kinda neat as i was learning linux

Contradict much?

In this day and age the performance points of gentoo are in most cases moot, 10 years ago that was another story.

I love gentoo for the amount of control and flexibility. For example try running php 5.2/5.3 parallel on any other distro, painfull at best.

Come now frug.
Compiling everything by hand makes you a unix expert.

I think you are confusing gentoo with LFS.

who the fuck cares about running PHP 5.2/5.3 in parallel ?

that is why we got hypervisors, so we dont HAVE to deal with such retarded shit, get with the fucking program, it started more than ten years ago.

[Irrelephant]

Allow me to enlighten you, as you seem confused. Something can be neat and novel, while not teaching you anything of value. You will learn the same linux commands using any distro.

Now you have learned something.

Which you wouldn't by using gentoo.

Only thing that confuses me is the last half of the above quote, makes no sense? Sure you can learn linux on any distro, but you are saying that is not the case with gentoo? When in fact just by following the gentoo installation handbook a newbie will learn far more about linux then installing any binary distro out there?

Do you need gentoo to learn linux? Absolutly not. It is one of the best choices out there for learning tho, IMO.

[Aea]

I don't see why one should care much about compiling. I have needed to manually compile software I'm installing a handful of times and it wasn't more complicated then make install. Seriously.

I don't think it matters that much but I personally like the way Debian and Ubuntu does things. Distros do matter significantly in how and where things are installed and setup. Fragmentation is real.

[Irrelephant]

who the fuck cares about running PHP 5.2/5.3 in parallel ?

that is why we got hypervisors, so we dont HAVE to deal with such retarded shit, get with the fucking program, it started more than ten years ago.

I would have thought you of all people understand that sometimes you HAVE to deal with retarded shit. (bad day with those shitty written java apps again bro?)

In this case it was a magento cluster from a random client with some php 5.2 inhouse cli monstrosities. My job was to do a magento upgrade for them, which required php 5.3. I rarely advocate gentoo for production use, basicly only when other distros fail to get the job done without causing major headaches.

I don't see why one should care much about compiling. I have needed to manually compile software I'm installing a handful of times and it wasn't more complicated then make install. Seriously.

I don't think it matters that much but I personally like the way Debian and Ubuntu does things. Distros do matter significantly in how and where things are installed and setup. Fragmentation is real.

For adding a simple tool or library, that is not in the package manager, compiling is fairly trivial yea. Once you have to deal with more complex dependencies, things can get ugly fast on a binary distro. Had to compile a patched mythtv once for a prototype. Compared to doing it on my gentoo dev box it was a nightmare on the production debian. Much rage was had before we got it working.

The beauty of a source based distro like gentoo is essentially that you can control all features on the source level without manual compiling. As everything is build from source you do not need a repository that holds all the possible feature combinations. Binary distros counteract that by simply enabling all the features possible on source level and by providing maybe a couple of alternate packages where 2 features can't be enabled at the same time (i.e. apache/worker apache/mpm). If the features needed are not in the provided binary packages your only option is manual compiling. If that feature is in a low dependency you end up recompiling everything based on that dependency. Most people don't need that kind of flexibility, very handy tho at times.

[elmicker]

It's also worth noting that Mint isn't run by foss nazis, so you don't get lumbered with shit like ClassPath, just because it's "free software".

[crazyr2]

I like Arch. Its like Gentoo, but without the compiling so slightly less painful. There's archbang which has the shitty openbox but has a installer.

[Aea]

You don't have multiple systems to notify the proper personnel when RAID fails?!?!?!?!?

[Derpy Torrin]

Ran Gentoo to get mythtv running properly back in its early days. Was a pain, but when it eventually worked it was awesome. Not really worth it now though so I just use Debian.

Mint is Ubuntu with a different interface, Ubuntu is Debian unstable with a nice interface... Just run Debian.

For those not up to speed, Debian has 4 flavours.

Stable - production quality. Will work all the time. Old.
Testing- Newer than stable and likely to be as stable, but not tested for 6+ months.
Unstable - New packages go in here. Usually works without issues but core packages my be updated breaking some dependencies for a short while.
Dev - Odd ball build shit. Do not use unless you are a dev and need to cook up some packages. Frequently broken.

Basically, Debian testing is about as stable as everyone else's stable releases. Debian stable is pretty unique.

Edit: Just realized I got testing and unstable backwards. Thats what I get for making big posts on the train.

[Liare]

It's also worth noting that Mint isn't run by foss nazis, so you don't get lumbered with shit like ClassPath, just because it's "free software".

another reason i like mint, a lot.

functionality > fundementalism

who the fuck cares about running PHP 5.2/5.3 in parallel ?

that is why we got hypervisors, so we dont HAVE to deal with such retarded shit, get with the fucking program, it started more than ten years ago.

I would have thought you of all people understand that sometimes you HAVE to deal with retarded shit. (bad day with those shitty written java apps again bro?)

In this case it was a magento cluster from a random client with some php 5.2 inhouse cli monstrosities. My job was to do a magento upgrade for them, which required php 5.3. I rarely advocate gentoo for production use, basicly only when other distros fail to get the job done without causing major headaches.

so all you did was to allow the retarded application to live on despite the fact it should have died right then and there, because it's obviously DOING IT FUCKING WRONG TO BEGIN WITH. (merely invoking PHP means you're doing it wrong, and nothing you say or do from here on out will ever redeem the code, not even if it cures cancer, solves world hunger and prevents an alien invasion at the same time)

so, fuck you mate, fuck you for allowing another shitty piece of software to live on by kludging together a "solution" involving duct tape, spit, used gum and a bad linux distro, when the real solution would have been to take the source code out on a media of some sort, remove all traces of it from the system and put the previously mentioned media into a burning oil drum.

this business's biggest problem is the inability of people to comprehend that "just because you CAN, it does not mean you SHOULD."

*the above post may contain traces of sarcasm, reader discretion advised*

[IceBlock]

Spent an hour or so debugging e-commerce software which had a problem in the template engine rendering empty spaces. The problem was after picking it apart that the file he had edited was saved in UTF-8 and not ANSI. Fucking PHP.

[Itiken]

openSUSE was too green.
installing debian.

this week is comedy gold. of the 4 'people' in 'my' office, 3 are away, leavingme. i've got DNS/IPv6 (public) going live tomorrow, had engineers in for 2 days installing ACS/Radius stuff, users being dicks, a fucked EMS system to babysit, plus the usual Firewall fixing, new switch core rollout, Datacentre migration and fck knows what else. oh yeah a black-box imap/webmail solution that's broken and needs hacking to life again as support's run out, windows 7 rollout to complete and another web server migration to perform (no dickhead you can't have a web front end for Apache learn to configure it properly or GTFO) then shift to a new dmz and ipv6, office politics and i've broken my blackberry. Our entier public-hosted dns/web presence needs moving includign soem arcane systems that barely do functional ipv4. The sales cunts in our dataventre have sold 2 racks we have all our cabling in and want them tomorrow (loool) and senior management is BACKING ME UP ALL THE WAY, and just deposited a case of beer on my desk.

  Spoiler:

Hilarious overtime claim incoming.

[Ophichius]

Itiken, that's simultaneously crap and awesome. I hope the paycheck's worth the headaches.

-O

[Itiken]

it's actually really fun, plus it's 4:15 soon which is home time and the sun is still out.
shazam \o/

[Waagaa]

Spent an hour or so debugging eCMS software which had a problem in the template engine rendering empty spaces. The problem was after picking it apart that the file he had edited was saved in UTF-8 and not ANSI. Fucking PHP.

PHP and eCMS if you mean e = enterprise does not compute. I don't know a single decent Enterprise Content Management System that's not written in Java or C#.

[Ralara]

oh ffs

so today we release the new in-store ipad thingy where management can go up to customers and show them this lovely app to get us more money if they sign up there and then or whatever idk don't care.

and 30 mins after launch, the first wave of calls:

ipads wont connect to the wifi of each store because the training session was done at one store and ofc no one bothered to reset them or think of resetting them for the other stores.

143 manually updated ipads later....

second wave of calls - the app doesn't work and produces errors when clicking on submit

143 manually updated ipads later....

the extra training dvds sent out during training have landed... only the codec used to encode them is not "normal" so none of our sites can play it /o\

143 PCs updated with VLC player later...


argh i have had enough of this shit, how can any company be this fucking incompetent????

[tulip]

oh ffs

so today we release the new in-store ipad thingy where management can go up to customers and show them this lovely app to get us more money if they sign up there and then or whatever idk don't care.

and 30 mins after launch, the first wave of calls:

ipads wont connect to the wifi of each store because the training session was done at one store and ofc no one bothered to reset them or think of resetting them for the other stores.

143 manually updated ipads later....

second wave of calls - the app doesn't work and produces errors when clicking on submit

143 manually updated ipads later....

the extra training dvds sent out during training have landed... only the codec used to encode them is not "normal" so none of our sites can play it /o\

143 PCs updated with VLC player later...


argh i have had enough of this shit, how can any company be this fucking incompetent????

They are iPads and thus they "just work, they are intuitive like that", why would managers have to worry about anything? :P

[IceBlock]

Spent an hour or so debugging eCMS software which had a problem in the template engine rendering empty spaces. The problem was after picking it apart that the file he had edited was saved in UTF-8 and not ANSI. Fucking PHP.

PHP and eCMS if you mean e = enterprise does not compute. I don't know a single decent Enterprise Content Management System that's not written in Java or C#.

My mistake, i meant e-commerce.

[IceBlock]

Spent an hour or so debugging eCMS software which had a problem in the template engine rendering empty spaces. The problem was after picking it apart that the file he had edited was saved in UTF-8 and not ANSI. Fucking PHP.

PHP and eCMS if you mean e = enterprise does not compute. I don't know a single decent Enterprise Content Management System that's not written in Java or C#.

My mistake, i meant e-commerce.

[Derpy Torrin]

oh ffs

so today we release the new in-store ipad thingy where management can go up to customers and show them this lovely app to get us more money if they sign up there and then or whatever idk don't care.

and 30 mins after launch, the first wave of calls:

ipads wont connect to the wifi of each store because the training session was done at one store and ofc no one bothered to reset them or think of resetting them for the other stores.

143 manually updated ipads later....

second wave of calls - the app doesn't work and produces errors when clicking on submit

143 manually updated ipads later....

the extra training dvds sent out during training have landed... only the codec used to encode them is not "normal" so none of our sites can play it /o\

143 PCs updated with VLC player later...


argh i have had enough of this shit, how can any company be this fucking incompetent????

They are iPads and thus they "just work, they are intuitive like that", why would managers have to worry about anything? :P

Also its always management level that fucks up every IT project. Of course they just blame the techs.

This is why I refuse to do anything without a job in our system anymore. Documented proof of what I was asked it do (and more importantly not asked to do)

[Waagaa]

Spent an hour or so debugging eCMS software which had a problem in the template engine rendering empty spaces. The problem was after picking it apart that the file he had edited was saved in UTF-8 and not ANSI. Fucking PHP.

PHP and eCMS if you mean e = enterprise does not compute. I don't know a single decent Enterprise Content Management System that's not written in Java or C#.

My mistake, i meant e-commerce.

Ah There's just not many decent ones of that type in the market. I know two "OK" ones, but they still require quite some custom code.