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    I usually just spin up VMs on my laptop when I need try things. It's not a "true" experience but you usually don't care about hardware anymore beyond whatever the hypervisor is running on. You could even go cloud a definitely not care about the hardware, but I wouldn't go VMs for most things you do in the cloud as it's really expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halbarad View Post
    I usually just spin up VMs on my laptop when I need try things. It's not a "true" experience but you usually don't care about hardware anymore beyond whatever the hypervisor is running on. You could even go cloud a definitely not care about the hardware, but I wouldn't go VMs for most things you do in the cloud as it's really expensive.
    Microsoft will give you a single Azure VM for 12 months for free.. I'm sure that could be useful.
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    Any one interested or know anyone interested in a tech support job 25k - 30k (at least 5+ years experience in directly applicable roles more if not) able to solo MS server (2008 - 2019) crisis and handle a multisite multi subnet +VLAN network plus O365 and Hyper-v and a few other things like document management system etc.
    Small engineering consultant company (~100 staff may have another growth spurt when assimilation is done) mid Bucks 1 member of IT atm (me!). Plenty of noddy work, laptop builds new users, user hand holding during major issues like Outlook visual updates making it look strange or emails not showing on mobile phone. On the flip side plenty of fun jobs, network was in a right state when I took over and thanks to 100% growth in 2 years is not much better other than a 1.5 years work on the essentials VOIP, Virtualisation network overhaul (not completed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailn View Post
    Any one interested or know anyone interested in a tech support job 25k - 30k (at least 5+ years experience in directly applicable roles more if not) able to solo MS server (2008 - 2019) crisis and handle a multisite multi subnet +VLAN network plus O365 and Hyper-v and a few other things like document management system etc.
    Small engineering consultant company (~100 staff may have another growth spurt when assimilation is done) mid Bucks 1 member of IT atm (me!). Plenty of noddy work, laptop builds new users, user hand holding during major issues like Outlook visual updates making it look strange or emails not showing on mobile phone. On the flip side plenty of fun jobs, network was in a right state when I took over and thanks to 100% growth in 2 years is not much better other than a 1.5 years work on the essentials VOIP, Virtualisation network overhaul (not completed).
    Is this a posting for your own job? Because 30k Brexit rubles sounds like a pittance for what you're asking.
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    25k for that? Are you having an absolute giggle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tailn View Post
    Any one interested or know anyone interested in a tech support job 25k - 30k (at least 5+ years experience in directly applicable roles more if not) able to solo MS server (2008 - 2019) crisis and handle a multisite multi subnet +VLAN network plus O365 and Hyper-v and a few other things like document management system etc.
    Small engineering consultant company (~100 staff may have another growth spurt when assimilation is done) mid Bucks 1 member of IT atm (me!). Plenty of noddy work, laptop builds new users, user hand holding during major issues like Outlook visual updates making it look strange or emails not showing on mobile phone. On the flip side plenty of fun jobs, network was in a right state when I took over and thanks to 100% growth in 2 years is not much better other than a 1.5 years work on the essentials VOIP, Virtualisation network overhaul (not completed).
    Is this a posting for your own job? Because 30k Brexit rubles sounds like a pittance for what you're asking.
    I don't know what you think IT support folks get paid unless you are a specialist LAN/WAN, Senior Sys Admin, DBa etc. or end up in central London working in Finance thats pretty much where it is at, of course there is always the top of the pile who get head hunted for serious money but for the rest of us the only options for much more are shift work or oncall payments (goodbye regular sleep).

    Though please prove me wrong and if you have proofs i can take to the boss that would be great

    Just incase you think I am suggesting that I expect people to decipher memory dumps with a glance or spot network intrusion by watching wireshark nope. Just some one who is capable of dealing with a shit day with out a bunch of 3rd line specialists holding their hands, I would like to be able to take a holiday out of contact and not find a smoking ruin when I return. To be honest any one who cant do that has no right thinking of themselves as support technician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailn View Post
    Though please prove me wrong and if you have proofs i can take to the boss that would be great
    Indeed.com says:
    How much does an IT Support make in Minneapolis, MN?
    The average salary for an IT Support is $21.31 per hour in Minneapolis, MN, which is 10% above the national average. Salary estimates are based on 22 salaries submitted anonymously to Indeed by IT Support employees, users, and collected from past and present job advertisements on Indeed in the past 36 months. The typical tenure for an IT Support is 1-3 years.
    Other US financial hubs:
    The average salary for an IT Support is $58,119 per year in Chicago, IL
    The average salary for an IT Support is $65,176 per year in Brooklyn, NY
    The average salary for an IT Support is $27.49 per hour in Queens, NY
    The average salary for an IT Support is $62,294 per year in Washington, DC
    The average salary for an IT Support is $31.34 per hour in San Francisco, CA
    The average salary for a Senior IT Support is $62,363 per year in the United States.
    The average salary for a Systems Administrator is $82,527 per year in the United States.
    The average salary for a Network Administrator is $66,549 per year in the United States.
    Now, if you were just looking for a Help Desk person, then 25k-30k would be more reasonable. Even then:
    The average salary for a Help Desk Analyst is $18.41 per hour in the United States.
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    You can't compare directly, when USians have to fund their own healthcare, personal security, etc...
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    Idk about that, and i'm fucking stupid.

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    My starting salary as a junior dev in 2006 was 24k, offering below that (after inflation) for somebody with 5 years experience seems...low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    My starting salary as a junior dev in 2006 was 24k, offering below that (after inflation) for somebody with 5 years experience seems...low.
    Dev not Support tends to be that devs have a 50% higher wage, consider starting salaries for support is ~16k-18k (helpdesk with out experience).

    And what Daneel says UK and US wages for IT are completely uncomparable not excluding benefits, cost of living and tax differences, there is a much much smaller wage gap here as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    You can't compare directly, when USians have to fund their own healthcare, personal security, etc...
    Most people working regular jobs with competitive companies have almost no or negligible health costs. If you are trying to buy the cheapest healthcare possible and/or get sick without healthcare is where most of the horrorstories come from. If you are a dev or in IT and even remotely competent, you should have a gold+ health plan, which while costly to your employer, costs minimal to you.

    No. The reality is IT is straight up paid more over here, for the most part.

    Personal security. lol.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    You can't compare directly, when USians have to fund their own healthcare, personal security, etc...
    Most people working regular jobs with competitive companies have almost no or negligible health costs. If you are trying to buy the cheapest healthcare possible and/or get sick without healthcare is where most of the horrorstories come from. If you are a dev or in IT and even remotely competent, you should have a gold+ health plan, which while costly to your employer, costs minimal to you.

    No. The reality is IT is straight up paid more over here, for the most part.

    Personal security. lol.
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    European tech workers really do get paid pennies compared to Americans. You can expect double the starting salary as an American and it only continues to curve up from there. That outstrips any cost from rent or health insurance

    Imagine asking people to be a senior DBA so they can make more than 30k/yr...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    European tech workers really do get paid pennies compared to Americans. You can expect double the starting salary as an American and it only continues to curve up from there. That outstrips any cost from rent or health insurance

    Imagine asking people to be a senior DBA so they can make more than 30k/yr...
    That's because tech workers in europe are employed by boomers who have no idea how inflation works and don't value much done by the younger generation.

    I reckon it is because in Europe tech workers are typically employed by well established, old fashioned owner managed companies whereas in America the tech employers are VC backed high growth businesses with a ton of (not their own) money to throw at their tech projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailn View Post
    Dev not Support tends to be that devs have a 50% higher wage, consider starting salaries for support is ~16k-18k (helpdesk with out experience).
    Someone with 5 years experience and expected to be hands-on/unsupervised competent with:
    * MS Server spanning over a decade's worth of versions
    * Multi-site deployments
    * Complex network topologies
    * O365
    * Hyper-V
    * Desktop builds
    * Document management

    is not a helpdesk drone. If you're rocking that many skills you could be legitimately out on the contractor market for 3-400 per day. 25-30kpa is an insult. That's what new graduates fresh off the university production line get paid, not skilled techies. Pay shit, get shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I reckon it is because in Europe tech workers are typically employed by well established, old fashioned owner managed companies ...
    Or go work for a bank or consultancy or actual tech company or as a contractor and go get paid real cash. Working in-house for non-tech firms as a techie is a mugs game. You'll be stuck in the cupboard imaging laptops for the next 20 years getting paid fucking peanuts.

    However don't be fooled by Erich's bluster. There's plenty of that latter kind of stuff in the US as well, especially outside the major metros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    You can't compare directly, when USians have to fund their own healthcare, personal security, etc...
    Most people working regular jobs with competitive companies have almost no or negligible health costs. If you are trying to buy the cheapest healthcare possible and/or get sick without healthcare is where most of the horrorstories come from. If you are a dev or in IT and even remotely competent, you should have a gold+ health plan, which while costly to your employer, costs minimal to you.

    No. The reality is IT is straight up paid more over here, for the most part.

    Personal security. lol.
    Most jobs are paid more. All though the difference is biggest in tech. For mech engineer you need a good company in Germany to match average in the states (according to indeed.com)


    

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    Engineering generally in the UK is pretty badly paid at the moment because everyone got told to do it at uni and flooded the market with graduates. Doesn't help that guys at the top aren't retiring as early and freeing up slots for career progression. I'm glad I ducked out of the industry early on, most people I went to uni with seem to be having a fairly shit time in terms of work/life balance and career progression.

    Probably doesn't help that the economy is about to get fucked as well though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I reckon it is because in Europe tech workers are typically employed by well established, old fashioned owner managed companies ...
    Or go work for a bank or consultancy or actual tech company or as a contractor and go get paid real cash. Working in-house for non-tech firms as a techie is a mugs game. You'll be stuck in the cupboard imaging laptops for the next 20 years getting paid fucking peanuts.

    However don't be fooled by Erich's bluster. There's plenty of that latter kind of stuff in the US as well, especially outside the major metros.
    This is fair, but even then, IT Administrator, which is what I'd argue the job he's posting would be called here, generally, is a solidly middle class position. No one in Kansas City with the job title is earning the USD equivalent of 30k quid.
    meh

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    Fucking incompetent people expecting to handle international payment details & personal info. Will obviously end well, no chance of GDPR court cases... /rant
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    Idk about that, and i'm fucking stupid.

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