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    [SHC Repost] Rookie mistakes you just cant help making.

    ry wrote:
    more often than not, after a fight i can normally spot at least one elementary error i made and my opponent wasn't able to take advantage of (or was, and i'm now sat scratching my arse in a pod).

    mine are (in order of irritation)...

    1. Forgetting to stop overheating a module. getting killed because you burned your mwd is embarrassing, having a ship limp out of your range and escape even more so. (see also: failing to bring any nanite paste)

    2. Drifting out of scram range. "kiting the blasters, kiting the blasters, kiting the... oh. he's warped off."

    3. forgetting to deploy drones (or forgetting to recall them when trying to deagress. HNNNNGGG.)

    What rookie mistakes do you find yourself making time and time again?
    Raimo wrote:
    Overheat mistakes sometimes, drone mistakes sometimes and then one really rare but annoying thing - forgetting to set "orbit" and "keep at range" to what you're flying and noticing too late...

    Missing (maybe catchable) pods in a ceptor by drifting out of scram range (I.e. forgot to press approach on the ship when it was in hull)
    Rumpelstilski wrote:
    Last week in Delve I undock my cerb and an amarr cs is sitting in front of the undock.

    "Ah, look, another bugger at station, just wait 30 seconds just in case as I'll still be in dock range and then I'll warp to that celestial really close to my trajectory. There is no way he'll be able to lock me in time but you can't be too careful when internet spaceships are concerned."
    (5 seconds later, memory reset)
    "Oh yeah, should turn on hardeners and sebos before i forget"
    (5 seconds later)
    "Idiot! Wait! Maybe I can still warp in time!"
    (1 second later)
    "Ah fuck, scrammed, orbit at 500, wait for dock, keep fingers clean off the f1,f2,f3 buttons"
    (15 seconds later, half shield)
    Dock!

    Then you dock swearing your stupidity, wait for undock and do it all over again.
    Whispous wrote:
    I don't break my mods with heat. I watch them too closely. And forget other things, like my drone's health.


    One annoying thing is leaving MWD activated once i'm in range, and then I turn on the tank, and suddenly WTF CAP???? oh, left mwd on.
    gluecksbaerchi wrote:
    forget to actually look you're scrambled when you're in webrange to a target and it looks like you're going down. I seriously died a few times and "the logs showed nothing", I e.g. lost a sabre to a megas Ogre II without beeing tackled AT ALL (I was drunk :P)

    also I have a long history of leeroying ships under sentries, my favorites:
    - a jaguar died while flyby-killing a cheetah. The covert actually poped but I tried to bookmark the wreck which lagged me out, client catched up with me beeing in a pod
    - a stiletto died because I was playing arround with a nonflashy malediction at a gate and my fat fingers not only pressed f1 (mwd)...
    - a rapier died because I mwd'ed out of a fight whilst under sentries, emergency-warped to a celestial I wasn't fully aligned to


    also I quickly stopped carrying medium secure containers in tanky ships because I kept forgetting to drag cap charges to my cargo, therefore eliminating ANY advantage the technic might could have had


    forgetting to activate armor repairers because I am used to passive tanks


    I had another funny moment when I figured out I still had an afterburner fitted on my vaga after killing missionrunners. I actually pvp'ed in an afterburning-driven hac - so generally "comedy"- or otherwisely gangfitted ships beeing used outside the specific situation.
    Prometheus wrote:
    getting caught in sling bubbles.
    sure there are times when they're impossible to avoid, but other times...
    Auri Hella wrote:
    Forgetting to warp out when I've just neuted the guy who's got me tackled to zero cap and he dropped his point.

    Falling for a battle rorqual at a station (never doing that ever again heh).

    Forgetting to align to something in a close fight.

    Most of things and a lot of others already listed have gotten me killed. Stupidity tax, I suppose.
    Rajere wrote:
    Corp rule is pretty much never die to the same mistake/same way you died previously, but there's a few newb mistakes/comedy losses that i've committed more than once:

    Jumping into highsec (on more than 3 separate occasions, in t2 ships mind you)
    Running 2 (or more) accounts on a single monitor. atleast 75% of my losses are due to not paying attention to one of my characters cus i'm busy doing something else on another one.

    Few mistakes that i've died to once and that are easy enough to make that most likely would have died to them more than once if I were in a corp populated by nice people:
    "hide passive modules" active, rep active mods with nanite paste, forget to check to see if my passive modules are damaged to the point of being offline. Force Recons do not tank sentries very well at all when all of your LSes are offlined due to overheat damage. From that point on I repair my active ship any time I dock/before I undock, just to confirm nothings broken.

    a number of mistakes involving offlining/onlining modules in space, including:

    Offlining certain modules in space in order to have enough CPU/grid to online the module that you do need, except you already hit warp and thus do not have the 95% cap needed to online the module. landing from said warp on top of the target, getting decloaked, with both regular and covert cyno now offline.
    bright idea! "I'll just offline my MWD and get +25% cap, i'm only short 20%"
    "Oh wait, T2 MWDs are only 17% cap now, aren't they?" right after I offline my mwd.

    Onlining modules while in space and getting the bug where modules onlined in this manner sometimes do not switch to green/activated, even though they are activated. It was a cyno ffs, on my overview, located 0m from me.....But too busy panicking trying to get the module to go green to notice it on my overview and thus have the carrier jump in and rep me before the pack of ships I just warped into melts my ship.

    I've modified all my fits that required alternating between online modules, so now all modules are online in all of my fits.
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    Re: [SHC Repost] Rookie mistakes you just cant help making.

    yesterday engaged a baity zealot in an ab rifter, he had a chum in local in a nemesis, so I figured i'd have a pop. He baited, I took bait and started whittling down his shields veeery slowly.

    He couldnt hit me so my main concern was a spike or running out of ammo (sar plate dc). As he hit armour the nemesis decloaks and paints me, still tanking so all was going well.

    Then I went to look at the bomber and see what he was doing, excep I double clicked him and glancing at the overview was 9k off the zealot at zero transversal. Couldnt get trans up in time and popped.

    Double clicking in space still works, apparenty.



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    Was bored so tried a bit of suicide ganking last night... seemed like it could be profitable.

    Thought I'd do it properly and fit a T2 1400mm Arty Apoc and scanned some potential targets in a bear system. After about an hour stalking one guy as he switched out from his 2b+ deadspace & faction Tengu into a Noctis, then another ship. Finally he undocks in his sweet Tengu, I'm parked in perfect 0 m/s transversal behind the station. I let rip with scram, guns and target painter....

    [ 2011.07.27 23:26:59 ] (warning) This action is an attack on your target. Attacking this target is a crime, will result in a security status penalty for you and will bring CONCORD to enforce the law by destroying your ship. <b>CONCORD will kill you!</b><br><br>Do you wish to proceed with this dangerous action?
    [ 2011.07.27 23:27:00 ] (notify) 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II has run out of charges
    [ 2011.07.27 23:27:00 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1782.
    [ 2011.07.27 23:27:00 ] (notify) Durzel, Criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed.
    [ 2011.07.27 23:27:00 ] (notify) Durzel: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
    Yeah, I didn't reload my guns after I grouped them.

    I even FRAPs'd it (which I immediately rage-deleted).

    Only slight saving grace is noone got on my Apoc killmail when I went GCC, but still pretty embarassing. The guy I was after quit shortly afterwards, must've put the fear of God into him.

    edit: My excuse is the new turret icons being confusing and I'm sticking to it.
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    wait... you can pop a deadspace tengu with a t2 apoc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoki View Post
    wait... you can pop a deadspace tengu with a t2 apoc?
    3 decent skilled pests would do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ry ry View Post
    yesterday engaged a baity zealot in an ab rifter, he had a chum in local in a nemesis, so I figured i'd have a pop. He baited, I took bait and started whittling down his shields veeery slowly.

    He couldnt hit me so my main concern was a spike or running out of ammo (sar plate dc). As he hit armour the nemesis decloaks and paints me, still tanking so all was going well.

    Then I went to look at the bomber and see what he was doing, excep I double clicked him and glancing at the overview was 9k off the zealot at zero transversal. Couldnt get trans up in time and popped.

    Double clicking in space still works, apparenty.



    I am deeply envious of that 'ry' chappy's username
    I do this sort of thing all the time, i really should start using keyboard shortcuts more

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    Seen killmails that suggest you can. Obviously requires them to be pretty much full active fit (seen a few with deadspace amps) and for them not to have activated their hardeners in time.

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    We've been camping the 6VDT ratting constellation in bombers and other cloaky stuff recently, and it's been a straight up turkey shoot. The only thing I didn't like about it was easy enough that I knew I was going to make a stupid mistake, which I did last night.

    Followed a bestower from station to a customs office in my stealth bomber. Warped in at 30 he's sitting on the office. Decloak point and start shooting at him while aligned to a safe spot. I notice that my align point is going to take me within like 10k of him. I just kind of write that off and keep burning. Get within 10k and BAM scram, web, followed by a couple cynabals an SFI and a 'ranis, and me feeling like an idiot for not staying out of range.

    Funny thing is that it still took them a good 10 seconds of all of them shotting me to pop me.

    Edit: the really dumb thing was the fact that I already knew he had a tank before I got in range of him because he was only at like 1/2 armor after 4 volleys.

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    DRONE JESUS!!!

    Dont know how many times I died while waiting for drones to come back. Situations where I kill something, my mouse is going for warp button and then ... "my drones, my precious drones, save them" ... BOOM, are just

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    1. smoke a fat joint or two
    2. go soloing in a drake with an covops alt to scout me
    3. find an angry t2 recon heavy gang
    4. be aware that they're at the X gates spreading on both sides, waiting for me
    5. warp to 0, main first instead of a scout
    6. ???
    7. win
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    Keeping track of how many targets I can lock between the different ships I fly. See a falcon fly in while already having max targets and try to lock, get an error message and assume its the invulnerable one.

    Try again every second for the next 3 before a thought hits me:
    "Oh wait, I'm at maxed targets in this ship, I need to unlock this one guy...*jammed*.... p.roblem solved."
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    Burned out my guns last night during a roam. We got super camped-in by a massive fleet. I didn't want to say anything because I had JUST been raging at the new guys, but I knew they couldn't count on me for my guns.

    To hide my shame I suicided myself onto a gate and got the enemy fleet to agress me on both sides so the rest of our fleet could escape. Everyone lauded me as a hero. Fleet was able to burn past the enemies pretty fast.

    This is what is known as "pulling a Flashman".

    Didn't work in the long run though due to....:Jumpbridges:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durzel View Post

    Yeah, I didn't reload my guns after I grouped them.
    wait....you dont need to empty guns to group...what happened here?


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    Just started pirating in high sec yesterday. Looking for mission runners in shiny ships, I found me a Vargur flown by a 2010 char.
    Warped in in my pretty bad armor cane, started to salvage some wrecks and finaly the vargur agressed.
    Long story short, as I finished his shield and I was half armor I burned out guns, mwd and scram in the heat of the fight.
    Bye bye Vargur, I could just warp out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noobcake View Post
    wait....you dont need to empty guns to group...what happened here?
    I have no idea, isn't it enough that I just fucked up?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaid View Post
    Just started pirating in high sec yesterday. Looking for mission runners in shiny ships, I found me a Vargur flown by a 2010 char.
    Warped in in my pretty bad armor cane, started to salvage some wrecks and finaly the vargur agressed.
    Long story short, as I finished his shield and I was half armor I burned out guns, mwd and scram in the heat of the fight.
    Bye bye Vargur, I could just warp out.
    Oh man that's unfortunate. At least you know he's the sort to fire at a ninja salvager, you can go hours probing for people with none of them shooting back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durzel View Post
    you can go hours probing for people with none of them shooting back.
    Hmm, I only had 4 or 5 scans this one is the only one that shot me back, but I thought my cane and my old age was the main reason why those 1 year noobs thought twice before engaging me. Hard to look like a retard that need salvage using a 4 years old char like me.

    Today I tried another style, switched to a vexor to look weaker, but only found people missionning in groups. Even though I guess I shouldn't be scared by a group as far as only the owner of the wreck will have rights to shoot me, it was unfortunatly the damn Drakes that owns the wrecks... not the other guy in the navy ship.

    I still hate myself for missing this first Vargur kill, as it seems that I will wait a long time to find such easy target willing to play.

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    LESSON : pirate low sec, aggroing on a high sec gate is a no escape move.

    Re… I'm on a course of fail

    Undocked the ubber passiv typhoon to try to kill something in low sec.
    Went in Amamake, and sat on Osog gate when a known uber active tanked myrm with alt came in. Instead of switching gate to fight on a low sec gate I stayed on Osog gate.
    Imagine the surprise when I saw support come in (only a Loki at this time and probably not his friend but I haven't broke his tank (myrm) at this time plus sentries on me and then I decided I could deaggro and restart the fight a bit later. Oups concord wil get me here...

    As I was about to try to use the ecm drones on the myrm and try a GTFO somewhere, the loki decided to put also a point on me... I just sat still and wait my pod out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaid View Post
    Undocked the ubber passiv typhoon to try to kill something in low sec.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaid View Post
    Undocked the ubber passiv typhoon
    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaid View Post
    ubber passiv typhoon
    you were doomed before you undocked.


    edit: post the loss, i would like to laugh at this troll fit
    Last edited by noobcake; August 1 2011 at 07:21:02 AM.


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    Duno what's wrong with a passiv typhoon I even active tank em sometimes. I heard also people reacting like you when I do so and claiming to only passive tank typhoon and let active for the mael. tbh I stoped listening to fitting politicians because the only fit that works is the fit of the winner no matter what you can theorize in station.

    Anyway there you go :
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10282235

    the rigs where already fitted so I kept them as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaid View Post
    Duno what's wrong with a passiv typhoon I even active tank em sometimes. I heard also people reacting like you when I do so and claiming to only passive tank typhoon and let active for the mael. tbh I stoped listening to fitting politicians because the only fit that works is the fit of the winner no matter what you can theorize in station.

    Anyway there you go :
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10282235

    the rigs where already fitted so I kept them as is.

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