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    The Fluid Dynamic of our Quiet Resignation Before the Freeze

    Cross posted from http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...readID=1494916

    Quote Originally Posted by Helicity Boson
    The degree to which this last fiasco has eroded my will to play is staggering.
    I'm no longer sure I want to put effort into blogging about this game, I'm no longer sure I want to put in months of effort to organize one of (if not the) biggest player run events in MMO land twice a year.

    This is all so very fucked, I want to love this game and company so much, but they are making it so very very hard to do.
    The Forum Fiasco of 2011 is an object lesson in the birth of the Bitter Eve Online Veteran; the ongoing evolution of Eve Online's core player base into a disenfranchised group of customers and ex-customers who have had their enthusiasm for EVE Online chiseled away one little piece at a time by a continuous chain of failure to deliver on customer expectations for product quality. It is the dawning awareness that CCP cannot be trusted to deliver on their product's potential that creates the Bitter Vet, and as indicated by the deafening silence from CCP's free advertising, publishing and public awareness arm of core customers, a great many new Bitter Veterans were born into the world last weekend.

    EVE, like any game, needs a strong core usergroup which sticks around far beyond the typical retention timeline. Every service model game that focuses on being an immersive sandbox requires makers and shakers, just like CCP said at Fanfest during the discussions of the cases of EVE and Dust 514, and the commercial focus of Dust 514. Just the idea of letting core user groups develop a subscriber addiction curve into bitterness and disenfranchisement is anathema to the continuity of the product dynamic. Yes, customers and core users can be replaced, but at an ever increasing cost of acquisition and with a growing necessity to compensate for the loss of publicity trends and events that were formerly created by the core groups of users.

    And it is becoming ever harder to trust you to do something about it; everywhere we look we see in the media more and more messages of incompetence, more and more about the huge gaps between what CCP presents and what it delivers. I am having an increasingly hard time convincing people to join EVE, because these disparities are what they see on the internet when they start looking at the game.

    You are not the celebrity in this endeavor, CCP. EVE Online is the celebrity. Yes, we love and respect you for what you made. But Eve Online is at the point where your core community of customers and the image of the game on the internet are facing a serious challenge in perception. The reason why your core user groups are here is because they chose EVE Online as a mutually enjoyed rallying point; we did not choose the company as a rallying point. But, for the foreseeable future, we're stuck with you, CCP, until the game and intellectual property become fodder for an Electronic Arts buyout, which is something that has, unfortunately, already been on the table once . If we could get Eve Online away from your well earned reputation for incompetence and the inevitable Kiss of Death Buyout from Electronic Arts that will turn Eve Online into World of Warcraft in Space, we'd do it in a heartbeat.

    But I am still here. Like many others, I haven't given up on the potential that EVE Online still has. I, like many others, haven't given up hope that EVE Online can become the all encompassing science fiction simulator that CCP wants the game to become. But with each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence, and each expansion's worth of continued neglect of the core dynamic that has kept the core customer base here, that glimmer of hope becomes dimmer and dimmer. Please, CCP; wake up before it's too late. Eve Online begins, and ends, with griefing people in internet spaceships.

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    Re: The Fluid Dynamic of our Quiet Resignation Before the Fe

    quitting eve would probably do you a world of good

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    Re: The Fluid Dynamic of our Quiet Resignation Before the Fe

    Quote Originally Posted by mazzilliu
    quitting eve would probably do you a world of good
    It's getting old dear, don't be silly.

    J'ai violé votre vaisseau spatial. C'était amusant....!

    EVE once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business.
    Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incarna
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    no really, if you guys waste so much blood pressure over this junk you should probably cut it out of your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtuozzo
    The following is a warning which has been issued to you by an administrator or moderator of this site.[quote:ji8mzc13]This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=5&p=6745#p6745 .

    I'm terribly sorry nobody is having an increase in blood pressure over your posts, but simply repeating the same thing over and over gets a bit silly =P You're smarter than that.
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    Should get Billy Corgan to sing about if we're going to keep going down the emo over it.

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    She does have a point, you know...
    Let's start a party of our own

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    People get way too upset over mazz.
    you bald little sex god

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    When is W40k MMO coming out? I would play that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubutai
    She does have a point, you know...
    Sure, but roleplaying an old vinyl stuck in a loop doesn't add much to anything. Also, we need an icon for :mazz:
    J'ai violé votre vaisseau spatial. C'était amusant....!

    EVE once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business.
    Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incarna
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimMc
    When is W40k MMO coming out? I would play that.
    Christ, I wish Relic would have made a Homeworld Online.
    you bald little sex god

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    Re: The Fluid Dynamic of our Quiet Resignation Before the Fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Virtuozzo
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubutai
    She does have a point, you know...
    Sure, but roleplaying an old vinyl stuck in a loop doesn't add much to anything. Also, we need an icon for :mazz:
    implying mazz has contributed anything of relevance or interest. however something with a banana is probably apt.
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    Re: The Fluid Dynamic of our Quiet Resignation Before the Fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike deVoid
    Quote Originally Posted by Virtuozzo
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubutai
    She does have a point, you know...
    Sure, but roleplaying an old vinyl stuck in a loop doesn't add much to anything. Also, we need an icon for :mazz:
    implying mazz has contributed anything of relevance or interest. however something with a banana is probably apt.
    Something like this?

    [youtube:1j0rty7x]lhX0-Q6Yv5U[/youtube:1j0rty7x]

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    Jesus Christ, it's just a videogame. Is it really worth the rage, the heightened blood pressure, the wasted keystrokes? If this game is the source of so much angst and dissatisfaction, why still attach yourself to it emotionally? For a game whose community is based around griefing, why do so many people seem to be so keen on letting the game itself grief them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebomby
    Quote Originally Posted by TimMc
    When is W40k MMO coming out? I would play that.
    Christ, I wish Relic would have made a Homeworld Online.
    Homeworld universe isn't that interesting to be honest. Sure its fun to play the games, and I love the voice over cutscenes... but its not a terribly interesting universe. It is probably suited to a game that was an Eve clone though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarminic
    Jesus Christ, it's just a videogame. Is it really worth the rage, the heightened blood pressure, the wasted keystrokes? If this game is the source of so much angst and dissatisfaction, why still attach yourself to it emotionally? For a game whose community is based around griefing, why do so many people seem to be so keen on letting the game itself grief them?
    Because for better or for worse, this has become a cherished hobby for many of us, with a great deal of time and personal effort invested, yes we could quit, but is it really so fucking hard to understand that some of use want to continue to enjoy our chosen hobby without a constant stream of colossal fuckups shitting on our efforts?

    "Just quit" is a bullshit answer that doesn't take into account the amount of personal investment involved for many people who entrusted CCP with this time and effort, believing, at the time that CCP would take care of this investment, and safeguard their continued enjoyment of their hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helicity
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarminic
    Jesus Christ, it's just a videogame. Is it really worth the rage, the heightened blood pressure, the wasted keystrokes? If this game is the source of so much angst and dissatisfaction, why still attach yourself to it emotionally? For a game whose community is based around griefing, why do so many people seem to be so keen on letting the game itself grief them?
    Because for better or for worse, this has become a cherished hobby for many of us, with a great deal of time and personal effort invested, yes we could quit, but is it really so fucking hard to understand that some of use want to continue to enjoy our chosen hobby without a constant stream of colossal fuckups shitting on our efforts?

    "Just quit" is a bullshit answer that doesn't take into account the amount of personal investment involved for many people who entrusted CCP with this time and effort, believing, at the time that CCP would take care of this investment, and safeguard their continued enjoyment of their hobby.
    Was a topic at the marketing round table at fanfest. In short, what sells and keeps EVE is the emotional connection people make. With the pixels (go figure), even more so with the people behind the pixels.

    Which makes all this kinda interesting. When matters compromise the emotional connection people make, that kinda becomes a factor. For marketing, but also for business development. And thus for game design, as CCP's business development is geared on making games.
    J'ai violé votre vaisseau spatial. C'était amusant....!

    EVE once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business.
    Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incarna
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    At the end of the day, what is visible from staff and customers alike, between them and among them, is an unspoken conflict or unresolved clarity in a very important reality check. It is visible in what some call the "brosefs" syndrome, it is visible in industry media, it is visible on forums (old, new, working, whichever), it is visible in community sites. The divide between presentation and delivery is too big, and all too easily visible as rooted in what you could call the other side of the "this is my baby" coin.

    EVE Online is CCP's game. That is what they set out to do, make games, and make a life out of that. But no, while CCP in many parts holds these matters sacrosanct, ownership / control / perception are in reality far from sacrosanct. In reality, they cater to a market.

    CCP aspires to create and lead the trends in this regard, but in spite of heavy focus on presentation CCP has beyond the creation of the emerging dynamic known as EVE never set or capitalised on trends, for the most part due to a combination of conscious choice as well as tunnel vision. That is not a bad thing, you do not have to be big for the sake of being big. You can become big by being agile and smart, by means of playing to win - in every respect.

    That's the bottleneck here. CCP creates a dream that is just tangible enough for people to buy in to, but it remains stuck at a point - due to that trap of sacrosanct perceptions - where people by default have to wake up (and then spread the word of that to friends and others).

    I do not subscribe to Torfi's statement during his presentation, I still hope I misheard it, that EVE cannot grow forever. Both my professional background as my own experience with EVE just screams the opposite. They need to deal with the reality check of that perception challenge. It holds them back.
    J'ai violé votre vaisseau spatial. C'était amusant....!

    EVE once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business.
    Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incarna
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helicity
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarminic
    Jesus Christ, it's just a videogame. Is it really worth the rage, the heightened blood pressure, the wasted keystrokes? If this game is the source of so much angst and dissatisfaction, why still attach yourself to it emotionally? For a game whose community is based around griefing, why do so many people seem to be so keen on letting the game itself grief them?
    Because for better or for worse, this has become a cherished hobby for many of us, with a great deal of time and personal effort invested, yes we could quit, but is it really so fucking hard to understand that some of use want to continue to enjoy our chosen hobby without a constant stream of colossal fuckups shitting on our efforts?

    "Just quit" is a bullshit answer that doesn't take into account the amount of personal investment involved for many people who entrusted CCP with this time and effort, believing, at the time that CCP would take care of this investment, and safeguard their continued enjoyment of their hobby.

    Take a months holiday. Dont even think about EVE, I did this 2 months ago and it did me the world of good. You can then come back refreshed and 60% less bitter. Everytime you bitterness goes over 100%, take time off.
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    Re: The Fluid Dynamic of our Quiet Resignation Before the Fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Helicity
    "Just quit" is a bullshit answer that doesn't take into account the amount of personal investment involved for many people who entrusted CCP with this time and effort, believing, at the time that CCP would take care of this investment, and safeguard their continued enjoyment of their hobby.
    I could offer "just get yourself banned if you cannot quit". Because once you take more bitterness than enjoyment out of it and start arguing like a beaten wife "but he's not all bad" you should take a step back and look at what you're doing...

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