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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Apparently Ryan is also couragous.

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...063967,00.html

    Written in 2011. Still valid. TL;DR: Ryan is couragous because Fox news has decided that he is ...
    Add it to the list of things that fox said are true.

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    I'm sure they've made fun of Ron Paul at some stage for being batshit insane and retarded...

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    I really don't understand how tea-party type people let Ryan get away with his big spending conservatism record.

    Medicare Part D, every Bush II spending plan and tax cut, etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
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    There is one thing I will give Paul Ryan. He generated a plan in a time when nobody is planning shit.
    This is like saying that Anders Breivik was "courageous" to "generate a plan" when "nobody was doing anything" about Islamic threat to white race. Premeditation of an immoral action does not make it better, it makes it worse.

    If Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey weren't executed, he would be the Tea Party congressman right now. Anti-abortion, anti-government, and "brave" enough to do something about it! And a military veteran too! All would be needed to "balance the ticket" is someone to appeal to religious conservatives and gun lobby. Hmm...

    Oh, I know! Timothy McVey - David Koresh 2012! Good to attract young voters too, they seem to be crazy about everything zombie-related.
    Nope, it isn't like saying that at all. You may try to post again if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
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    There is one thing I will give Paul Ryan. He generated a plan in a time when nobody is planning shit.
    This is like saying that Anders Breivik was "courageous" to "generate a plan" when "nobody was doing anything" about Islamic threat to white race. Premeditation of an immoral action does not make it better, it makes it worse.

    If Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey weren't executed, he would be the Tea Party congressman right now. Anti-abortion, anti-government, and "brave" enough to do something about it! And a military veteran too! All would be needed to "balance the ticket" is someone to appeal to religious conservatives and gun lobby. Hmm...

    Oh, I know! Timothy McVey - David Koresh 2012! Good to attract young voters too, they seem to be crazy about everything zombie-related.
    Nope, it isn't like saying that at all. You may try to post again if you like.
    What's the projected toll of death and human suffering from Ryan's plan looking like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
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    There is one thing I will give Paul Ryan. He generated a plan in a time when nobody is planning shit.
    This is like saying that Anders Breivik was "courageous" to "generate a plan" when "nobody was doing anything" about Islamic threat to white race. Premeditation of an immoral action does not make it better, it makes it worse.

    If Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey weren't executed, he would be the Tea Party congressman right now. Anti-abortion, anti-government, and "brave" enough to do something about it! And a military veteran too! All would be needed to "balance the ticket" is someone to appeal to religious conservatives and gun lobby. Hmm...

    Oh, I know! Timothy McVey - David Koresh 2012! Good to attract young voters too, they seem to be crazy about everything zombie-related.
    Nope, it isn't like saying that at all. You may try to post again if you like.
    What's the projected toll of death and human suffering from Ryan's plan looking like?
    Probably makes Stalin look like a pussy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lubica View Post
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    There is one thing I will give Paul Ryan. He generated a plan in a time when nobody is planning shit.
    This is like saying that Anders Breivik was "courageous" to "generate a plan" when "nobody was doing anything" about Islamic threat to white race. Premeditation of an immoral action does not make it better, it makes it worse.

    If Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey weren't executed, he would be the Tea Party congressman right now. Anti-abortion, anti-government, and "brave" enough to do something about it! And a military veteran too! All would be needed to "balance the ticket" is someone to appeal to religious conservatives and gun lobby. Hmm...

    Oh, I know! Timothy McVey - David Koresh 2012! Good to attract young voters too, they seem to be crazy about everything zombie-related.
    Nope, it isn't like saying that at all. You may try to post again if you like.
    What's the projected toll of death and human suffering from Ryan's plan looking like?
    Probably makes Stalin look like a pussy.
    There's actually no need for that sort of hyperbole. The numbers Don posted earlier are clear enough. If the Ryan budget outline would be followed up on Federal Discretionary spending would plummet basically until it will only pay for the military. All to give $4 trillion to the rich. Now, even if you believe in trickle down economics that is going to play havok with just about anything currently supported by the Federal government. Meaning everything will (have to) be privatised. Think infrastructure, education, health care, law enforcement, etc. And should a state get into financial difficulties (like a lot of them are now) basically everything will go to the highest bidder on that level as well. It'll be the corporatist dystopia only shown in scifi movies and it will leave whole swatches of the country a massive (economic) wasteland (why would the big corporation 'invest' in the deep-south?). Ofcourse before that'll happen you can count on massive civil unrest. But I'm sure in Ryan's mind that is a good thing as well. Brings the 'best' out on top right?

    Ofcourse Ryan and his fellow anachrists will be completely sheltered from all of this. They have their special commie healthcare, their kickbacks and fixed salaries, and live in federally supported mansions and houses. But everyone else? They can go fuck themselves.

    That's Ryan's budget outline: the "I've got mine; you can go fuck yourself!" budget.

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    Actually, all I meant to say was that the "at least he's doing something" comparison with Brevik was a false one, because in the first case we have general agreement that the USA needs a budget, while there is no general agreement that there is an "islamic threat."

    Ryan is proposing a solution to a problem we are all asking for solutions to.

    The other is proposing a problem we all disagree even exists...and I guess some kind of insane vigilante "solution."

    That's not to say that Ryan's joke of a proposal is even romotely sane, but comparing it to Brevik is both Apples to Oranges and (thankfully) still an insult to the caliber of people who end up in congress. We have dumb politicians but they are not racist vigilante dumb.


    Still, I'm reminded of a quote from some late night eve online teamspeak that has stuck with me over the years. "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and most of them stink." That advice clearly extends to budgetary opinions.

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    Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

    political system of the usa seems totaly rotten, at least from an outside perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
    There is one thing I will give Paul Ryan. He generated a plan in a time when nobody is planning shit.
    This is like saying that Anders Breivik was "courageous" to "generate a plan" when "nobody was doing anything" about Islamic threat to white race. Premeditation of an immoral action does not make it better, it makes it worse.

    If Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey weren't executed, he would be the Tea Party congressman right now. Anti-abortion, anti-government, and "brave" enough to do something about it! And a military veteran too! All would be needed to "balance the ticket" is someone to appeal to religious conservatives and gun lobby. Hmm...

    Oh, I know! Timothy McVey - David Koresh 2012! Good to attract young voters too, they seem to be crazy about everything zombie-related.
    Nope, it isn't like saying that at all. You may try to post again if you like.
    What's the projected toll of death and human suffering from Ryan's plan looking like?
    Probably makes Stalin look like a pussy.
    There's actually no need for that sort of hyperbole. The numbers Don posted earlier are clear enough. If the Ryan budget outline would be followed up on Federal Discretionary spending would plummet basically until it will only pay for the military. All to give $4 trillion to the rich. Now, even if you believe in trickle down economics that is going to play havok with just about anything currently supported by the Federal government. Meaning everything will (have to) be privatised. Think infrastructure, education, health care, law enforcement, etc. And should a state get into financial difficulties (like a lot of them are now) basically everything will go to the highest bidder on that level as well. It'll be the corporatist dystopia only shown in scifi movies and it will leave whole swatches of the country a massive (economic) wasteland (why would the big corporation 'invest' in the deep-south?). Ofcourse before that'll happen you can count on massive civil unrest. But I'm sure in Ryan's mind that is a good thing as well. Brings the 'best' out on top right?

    Ofcourse Ryan and his fellow anachrists will be completely sheltered from all of this. They have their special commie healthcare, their kickbacks and fixed salaries, and live in federally supported mansions and houses. But everyone else? They can go fuck themselves.

    That's Ryan's budget outline: the "I've got mine; you can go fuck yourself!" budget.
    Pontificates against hyperbole then goes on to hyperbolise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loire View Post
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    There is one thing I will give Paul Ryan. He generated a plan in a time when nobody is planning shit.
    This is like saying that Anders Breivik was "courageous" to "generate a plan" when "nobody was doing anything" about Islamic threat to white race. Premeditation of an immoral action does not make it better, it makes it worse.

    If Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey weren't executed, he would be the Tea Party congressman right now. Anti-abortion, anti-government, and "brave" enough to do something about it! And a military veteran too! All would be needed to "balance the ticket" is someone to appeal to religious conservatives and gun lobby. Hmm...

    Oh, I know! Timothy McVey - David Koresh 2012! Good to attract young voters too, they seem to be crazy about everything zombie-related.
    Nope, it isn't like saying that at all. You may try to post again if you like.
    What's the projected toll of death and human suffering from Ryan's plan looking like?
    Probably makes Stalin look like a pussy.
    There's actually no need for that sort of hyperbole. The numbers Don posted earlier are clear enough. If the Ryan budget outline would be followed up on Federal Discretionary spending would plummet basically until it will only pay for the military. All to give $4 trillion to the rich. Now, even if you believe in trickle down economics that is going to play havok with just about anything currently supported by the Federal government. Meaning everything will (have to) be privatised. Think infrastructure, education, health care, law enforcement, etc. And should a state get into financial difficulties (like a lot of them are now) basically everything will go to the highest bidder on that level as well. It'll be the corporatist dystopia only shown in scifi movies and it will leave whole swatches of the country a massive (economic) wasteland (why would the big corporation 'invest' in the deep-south?). Ofcourse before that'll happen you can count on massive civil unrest. But I'm sure in Ryan's mind that is a good thing as well. Brings the 'best' out on top right?

    Ofcourse Ryan and his fellow anachrists will be completely sheltered from all of this. They have their special commie healthcare, their kickbacks and fixed salaries, and live in federally supported mansions and houses. But everyone else? They can go fuck themselves.

    That's Ryan's budget outline: the "I've got mine; you can go fuck yourself!" budget.
    Pontificates against hyperbole then goes on to hyperbolise.
    I wasn't even exaggerating (much). Stalin is reposnsible for some 20 million deaths, given that the current population of the USA is +300 million people, which is about twice as much as the USSR had in old Joe's time and that the majority of people that would be affected by Ryan's budget proposal are pensioners, poor and minorities, you are looking at at least half of the current USA population, that might have an increased chance of mortality either directly or indirectly due to Ryan's paperwork. The middle class over there is shrinking rapidly.

    e: you don't need to send people to gulags, when you can just raise the cost of life-saving medicines above an affordable or insurable level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miep View Post
    Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

    political system of the usa seems totaly rotten, at least from an outside perspective.
    This has been already debunked. Ryan did a lot of trading in 2008, and transactions in question happened before the meeting, which was in the evening, after the markets have closed.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...al_crisis.html

    This is Bush's National Guard documents all over again. Before now and election be very careful when analyzing "breaking news" about the candidates. You never know what is potentially breaking story, and what disinformation has been planted intentionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miep View Post
    Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

    political system of the usa seems totaly rotten, at least from an outside perspective.
    Until this year members of Congress were allowed to trade on price-sensitive information gathered at Washington meetings.
    WHAT????!!!???!???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glyken Touchon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Miep View Post
    Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

    political system of the usa seems totaly rotten, at least from an outside perspective.
    Until this year members of Congress were allowed to trade on price-sensitive information gathered at Washington meetings.
    WHAT????!!!???!???
    When you are the ones who write the laws why would you make yourself a criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Miep View Post
    Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

    political system of the usa seems totaly rotten, at least from an outside perspective.
    This has been already debunked. Ryan did a lot of trading in 2008, and transactions in question happened before the meeting, which was in the evening, after the markets have closed.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...al_crisis.html

    This is Bush's National Guard documents all over again. Before now and election be very careful when analyzing "breaking news" about the candidates. You never know what is potentially breaking story, and what disinformation has been planted intentionally.
    Exactly. And at the time, even if he had traded on that information, he wouldn't have done anything wrong.

    This looks like a plant. Put there for some people get all frothy over so that the Republicans can then turn round and accuse the Democrats of false accusations.

    The reality is that Ryan was no more or less a crook at the time as many of his fellow congressmen. Some were more into it than others, some not at all. Naturally Ryan did a lot of trading in bank stock that year, but in the end, it simply wasn't illegal to do insider trading on non-public information at the time.

    At any rate, you don't have to look for inside dealing stories to figure out what a fraud Ryan is: just look at his tax plan and his voting record and you should know enough. This is just a distraction ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
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    Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

    political system of the usa seems totaly rotten, at least from an outside perspective.
    Until this year members of Congress were allowed to trade on price-sensitive information gathered at Washington meetings.
    WHAT????!!!???!???
    When you are the ones who write the laws why would you make yourself a criminal.

    They eventually did though. When 'the people' found out about it ...

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    ouch, polled lower than dan quayle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    ouch, polled lower than dan quayle.
    John Edwars polled higher than anyone, and look what a scumbag he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccpl_fisher View Post
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    ouch, polled lower than dan quayle.
    John Edwars polled higher than anyone, and look what a scumbag he was.
    And Dick Cheney after that: your point is?

    I just think it is hilarious that Ryan is now basically in the same league as a guy who couldn't spell potatoe ...

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