Meet the next President of the United States

[Frug]

Personally I think that racking up a national debt of trillions of dollars is batshit crazy. $15 trillion dollars in debt, 104% of the GDP. $140,000 per taxpayer. No-one believes that can be paid off, so they won't even try. What happens when the creditors start asking for their money back?

You're piecing things together like lego, but you're somehow jamming them into eachother sideways and using a hammer to make them stay together.

Most democratic voters, and democrats in general, are not promoting the things that are happening, and yet you conclude that because they're happening, that Obama and the democratic party promotes them.

You're bitching about the debt and ignoring the fact that their attempts to end the bush tax cuts were blocked. What they want is to keep social infrastructure strong. That's one of their primary goals (if not THE primary goal). Don't be fucking retarded and talk like their goal is to grow the debt. Don't say "they won't even try" when they have been wrestling with the republicans to raise taxes for god knows how long now.

Shit like eliminating the EPA and going back to the gold standard ARE your darling's stated goals. Raising the debt is not the fucking goal of anyone. I think republicans are brain damaged retards but I don't think their goal is to fuck up their own economy. The comparison to shit like the gold standard and eliminating government agencies is raising taxes. You dig? You're comparing his proposed solution to the problem, when you should be comparing his proposed solution to their proposed solution.

Now you're going to interpret my position as an extreme supporter of the dems which I am not. I don't think they've done enough and I don't think Obama works hard enough on certain key issues, but I'm mature enough to realize that he'd get even less done if he tried to fight openly against everyone. It's a valid opinion to say he's part of the problem because he perpetuates the system and works within it in cooperation with established organizations and by appeasing the people he has to work with by, for example, agreeing to keep Guantanamo as-is and drone striking random people.

But, see, that's the issue stated in a mature, non-extremist-douchebag way. The immature extremist-douchebag way is to tell everyone they're too stupid to see the truth and that the only arguments against ron paul is their fear of his awesomeness.

[Bacchanalian]

Meanwhile:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...20718?irpc=932

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Either part and parcel of the ongoing process within the Republican party to root out the moderates, or a portent of things to come nationally.

Either way: Wisconsin, Arizona, Kansas ... the Republicans are really lining up a mass of failed states under their governance since 2010. They may buy themselves a senate in Kansas this time, but by the time those tax and spending cuts are going to really bite home, there will be a price to pay. One can only hope it will be fatal for the Republicans without too much damage done ...

Yeah, I was just reading up on Kansas today and I kinda wondered what a contemporary Dorothy might ask of the wizard.

I am sure she would ask for a massive memorial for aborted fetuses to be built in Wichita, Kansas:

http://www.prolifememorial.com/

Kansas is a scary place. I drove across the middle of it a few weeks back, and besides several dozen billboards with giant pro life slogans on them, there was one with a picture of Obama painted to look like Stalin with the caption "Wannabe Marxist Socialist Communist Dictator". It's truly a special place.

[F*** My Aunt Rita]

Kansas is a scary place. I drove across the middle of it a few weeks back, and besides several dozen billboards with giant pro life slogans on them, there was one with a picture of Obama painted to look like Stalin with the caption "Wannabe Marxist Socialist Communist Dictator". It's truly a special place.

A hundred years ago Kansas was a very different place, it was in many ways the heartland of the American labor and socialist movements.

[AmaNutin]

Kansas is a scary place. I drove across the middle of it a few weeks back, and besides several dozen billboards with giant pro life slogans on them, there was one with a picture of Obama painted to look like Stalin with the caption "Wannabe Marxist Socialist Communist Dictator". It's truly a special place.

A hundred years ago Kansas was a very different place, it was in many ways the heartland of the American labor and socialist movements.

Great to see it's returning to its roots!

[punkboy101]

To the people of America I say

[Don Rumata]

Not trolling.

Then stop posting.

It would be marginally funny if what was posted was a half-assed attempt at a troll. But as a serious post it's just sad.

You sound as a result of a hatefuck between a Paultard and a Code Pink chick.

[Frug]

Not trolling.

Then stop posting.

It would be marginally funny if what was posted was a half-assed attempt at a troll. But as a serious post it's just sad.

You sound as a result of a hatefuck between a Paultard and a Code Pink chick.

Stop interfering in our intelligent discussion. We are exchanging ideas in a civilized manner and are both drawing upon our experiences to better undersand I can't finish this sentence because the worst part of all of this is that I actually wrote like 10 paragraphs to him and I don't know why.

Lets get back on topic. This news about Kansas is interesting. I want to see them drive themselves into the ground. Testing GOP policy on a smaller scale is something everyone should get behind.

Except people living in Kansas.

[Al Simmons]

Personally I think that racking up a national debt of trillions of dollars is batshit crazy. $15 trillion dollars in debt, 104% of the GDP. $140,000 per taxpayer. No-one believes that can be paid off, so they won't even try. What happens when the creditors start asking for their money back?

You're piecing things together like lego, but you're somehow jamming them into eachother sideways and using a hammer to make them stay together.

Most democratic voters, and democrats in general, are not promoting the things that are happening, and yet you conclude that because they're happening, that Obama and the democratic party promotes them.

You're bitching about the debt and ignoring the fact that their attempts to end the bush tax cuts were blocked. What they want is to keep social infrastructure strong. That's one of their primary goals (if not THE primary goal). Don't be fucking retarded and talk like their goal is to grow the debt. Don't say "they won't even try" when they have been wrestling with the republicans to raise taxes for god knows how long now.

Shit like eliminating the EPA and going back to the gold standard ARE your darling's stated goals. Raising the debt is not the fucking goal of anyone. I think republicans are brain damaged retards but I don't think their goal is to fuck up their own economy. The comparison to shit like the gold standard and eliminating government agencies is raising taxes. You dig? You're comparing his proposed solution to the problem, when you should be comparing his proposed solution to their proposed solution.

Now you're going to interpret my position as an extreme supporter of the dems which I am not. I don't think they've done enough and I don't think Obama works hard enough on certain key issues, but I'm mature enough to realize that he'd get even less done if he tried to fight openly against everyone. It's a valid opinion to say he's part of the problem because he perpetuates the system and works within it in cooperation with established organizations and by appeasing the people he has to work with by, for example, agreeing to keep Guantanamo as-is and drone striking random people.

But, see, that's the issue stated in a mature, non-extremist-douchebag way. The immature extremist-douchebag way is to tell everyone they're too stupid to see the truth and that the only arguments against ron paul is their fear of his awesomeness.

Fucking when did I say their goal was to grow the debt? I said they don't care about reducing it, and their actions are causing it to grow. The repeated rounds of QE and stimulus clearly have barely worked, if at all, but they've added a huge amount to the debt. I don't really think they care that much about not renewing the Bush era tax cuts. Don't forget that most Democratic congressmen are rich as shit too and benefit from them. The cuts expire by themselves, all they have to do is vote to not renew them.

Compromise is honestly a shit way to govern in America. Obama wasted two years with a large majority trying to compromise with the Republicans, and ended up pleasing nobody. Sure the Repubs have to take some real heat there for being such complete stick in the mud assholes, but I think it was pretty obvious what they were like. Extend an olive branch and they will set it on fire.

Improving social programs is a worthy goal, but being honest about what is possible with the state of the economy has not been one of Obama's strengths. He would have you believe that you can increase social spending, have huge rounds of stimulus and money printing and continue incredibly costly wars all at the same time. And then this money will be paid back at some point in the future... by somebody. The idea that the government can spend all this money and that will get the economy moving again is pretty ridiculous. If it were being invested in something that would later increase production like factories etc, maybe. But it isn't, it's being spent on service sector and financial jobs, and propping up the economy, keeping interest rates at 0 and putting up a front.

You know how if someone spends a lot of money on shiny stuff, it can look to the outsider that they're rich- when in fact they're in deep debt? That's basically what the US is doing. It has to keep up the image that the dollar is a strong currency, that the US has a strong economy, so that investors won't flee with their money.

You talk about being mature, but what's more immature than taking out a bunch of payday loans and credit cards to cover your immediate needs and saying "fuck the future"?

[Pattern]

Agreeing with Frug /o

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[Don Rumata]

Lets get back on topic. This news about Kansas is interesting. I want to see them drive themselves into the ground. Testing GOP policy on a smaller scale is something everyone should get behind.

Except people living in Kansas.

The problem is that as soon as the shit will start getting bad, Kansas senators will run to federal coffers asking for subsidies. That is the whole problem with current situation, there is no downside for them. Let them secede and let them implement all the ideology they believe in. In less then a year they will be hanging from the lampposts and nearby states will be full of refugees to the point that UN will have to interfere.

The are no "left" vs "right", Dems vs GOP anymore. There are centrists who actually interested in policy and governing. And there are insane ideologies and con people, trying to get rich from donations by a few eccentric billionaires.

The only way out is a good, old-fashioned mass movement, like during the Civil Rights era. Occupy Wall Street is a good beginning, but things need to get much worse for the "moderates" to wake up.

[Bartholomeus Crane]

Lets get back on topic. This news about Kansas is interesting. I want to see them drive themselves into the ground. Testing GOP policy on a smaller scale is something everyone should get behind.

Except people living in Kansas.

The problem is that as soon as the shit will start getting bad, Kansas senators will run to federal coffers asking for subsidies. That is the whole problem with current situation, there is no downside for them. Let them secede and let them implement all the ideology they believe in. In less then a year they will be hanging from the lampposts and nearby states will be full of refugees to the point that UN will have to interfere.

The are no "left" vs "right", Dems vs GOP anymore. There are centrists who actually interested in policy and governing. And there are insane ideologies and con people, trying to get rich from donations by a few eccentric billionaires.

The only way out is a good, old-fashioned mass movement, like during the Civil Rights era. Occupy Wall Street is a good beginning, but things need to get much worse for the "moderates" to wake up.

Well, that, and the problems caused by a 35% cut in tax revenues (lol!), will be predominantly handed down to the public education system. And before that really starts to bite, and the Kansas citizenry will start to get their ropes out, we'll be at least 2, probably more years down the road. It'll take some years before the public school system's roofs start to cave in, and by that time the Kansas government buildings, including the senate, will have been sold off, and the government itself will be renting (if they aren't already, like I believe is the case in Arizona). Just cleaning up the mess caused by this will take at least 10 years. And all those public school children will be fucked for life by an abysmal underfunded education. And no one seriously thinks that the rest of America will be flocking to Kansas because of this any time soon.

So this is creating a massive problem. That will fuck over the people of Kansas for at least a decade, and some for life. With no realistic prospect of any kind of success. And this is what Ron Paul is advocating for the rest of the US as well. Well done.

And will any of this crap ever show how retarded these people are nationally? Ofcourse not! The only thing Rand Paul will say is that the cuts simply weren't deep enough. The application of his blueprint for disaster not applied radically enough. Who cares if in Kansas some redneck morons get strung up because of a failed experiment. It is the morons at the national level that need to get their balls kicked in.

[Don Rumata]

And will any of this crap ever show how retarded these people are nationally? Ofcourse not! The only thing Rand Paul will say is that the cuts simply weren't deep enough. The application of his blueprint for disaster not applied radically enough. Who cares if in Kansas some redneck morons get strung up because of a failed experiment. It is the morons at the national level that need to get their balls kicked in.

That is the problem with the current form of US Government: redneck morons from small states are given disproportionally high power in the Federal Government. The Senators and Congressmen from flyover states are prime targets for lobbyists. They are cheap to buy and will do whatever is required of them, without being questioned by the electorate, as long the Congress-critter makes all the right sounds about God and Guns.

The country as it is now is virtually ungovernable. The only hope is for a centrist President with military background (and, most importantly, White Protestant from the South) who can maintain high approval ratings while pushing for election and lobbying reform.

Petraeus would be ideal person to succeed Obama. Basically have Obama at the last day of the presidency sign bunch of executive orders reforming lobbying and electoral law and then let Petraeus handle redneck uprising. He has a lot of experience dealing with religious fundamentalists from hot, backward areas.

[Aurora148]

Petraeus isn't dumb enough to associate himself with the current republican party.

[Don Rumata]

Petraeus isn't dumb enough to associate himself with the current republican party.

Who says he should run as a Republican? Current Republican party is pretty-much doomed.

It is merely academic question whether they slowly fade away due to demographic forces, or they will go down in a blaze of glory when they invade Canada in a desperate bid to secure its natural resources, get pushed all the way back to Washington DC and Republican president will take cyanide capsule as Canadian forces will be burning down White House (for the second time in history).

[Chrien]

Getting a bit carried away there
I think the majority of us agree that the policies that the Republicans are trying to implement in Kansas are not going to be effective. Its only a matter of time before they get a sharp rebuttal from the electorate and thats how it should be. If a group wins the contest of ideas by convincing the electorate to vote them in to power then they have the mandate to implement their policies and when they fail utterly like they will in Kansas they will be held to account. I know the American vote is pretty fucking stupid but they aren't much different to any other voter in a western democracy, they vote on economic grounds. I doubt most Americans actually care about big government, small government, tax cuts, 1%, etc... they just vote with who they believe will provide the best deal for them and when the Republicans are unable to deliver on their policies they will get booted out of office.

[Lallante]

Isnt it good, in a way, that Kansas is happening - it should lay this "low taxes is good for everyone" bogeyman to rest for a while when it fails spectacularly?

[Reed Tiburon]

Not trolling.

Then stop posting.

It would be marginally funny if what was posted was a half-assed attempt at a troll. But as a serious post it's just sad.

You sound as a result of a hatefuck between a Paultard and a Code Pink chick.

Stop interfering in our intelligent discussion. We are exchanging ideas in a civilized manner and are both drawing upon our experiences to better undersand I can't finish this sentence because the worst part of all of this is that I actually wrote like 10 paragraphs to him and I don't know why.

Lets get back on topic. This news about Kansas is interesting. I want to see them drive themselves into the ground. Testing GOP policy on a smaller scale is something everyone should get behind.

Except people living in Kansas.

>arguing with al simmons

[Don Rumata]

Isnt it good, in a way, that Kansas is happening - it should lay this "low taxes is good for everyone" bogeyman to rest for a while when it fails spectacularly?

Barth has already explained above: for these ideologues, if their idea fails, that means it was not implemented well enough. If low taxes fail, that means they weren't low enough.

Historically, the ideology fails in two ways. Either invasion by foreign forces and complete eradication of ideologues (see the Canadian scenario above), or long period of social and economic strife (see fall of Soviet Union). Bunch of rednecks in Kansas not getting good education in schools? Who would even notice?

[erichkknaar]

Herpity derpity derp di doo.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...islamist-plot/

(Michele Bachmann turner overdrive accuses Muslim Americans of penetrating the U.S. government by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to impose Sharia law).

Good for John McCain. I would never vote for him, but at least he's not completely fucking brainwashed, and prepared to call out other Repubs for being retards.

[ChaeDoc II]

Herpity derpity derp di doo.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...islamist-plot/

(Michele Bachmann turner overdrive accuses Muslim Americans of penetrating the U.S. government by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to impose Sharia law).

Good for John McCain. I would never vote for him, but at least he's not completely fucking brainwashed, and prepared to call out other Repubs for being retards.

There's also this http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/1...ring-a-muslim/