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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
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    Scott Walker survives recall:
    Dem's - Bah, that sucks, that's money and power for ya. On to the next battle...

    Obamacare survives recall:
    Repubs - THIS IS WORSE THAN 911!!!



    Slight difference I think.
    Not even close I'm afraid.

    Lest we forget the woman who slapped the shit out of the democratic challenger in Wisconsin among other notable fits of rage.


    I think I was walking about elected officials but oh ok.

    Meanwhile,

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ent-obamacare/

    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, one of Mitt Romney’s possible running mates, said that despite Thursday’s decision by the Supreme Court to uphold the Affordable Care Act, he will not implement it in his state.
    Jindal called the health care plan a “blow to our freedoms” and said the “president forced this law on us.”
    “It really raises the question of what’s next, what’s allowable,” Jindal said on a Republican National Committee Conference Call. “Taxes on people who refuse to eat tofu or refuse to drive a Chevy Volt…this whole ruling I think is ridiculous. It’s a huge expansion of federal power.”
    Jindal said despite the law being upheld, Louisiana will “not set up an exchange.”
    Under the legislation, states are required to set up a health insurance exchange program by January 2014 and they will receive grants from the federal government in order to implement it. Instead, Jindal says he’s just going to wait in the hopes Romney gets elected and the legislation then repealed, a difficult task even if the presumptive GOP nominee makes it to the White House.

    “Elections have consequences. Elections do, in fact, matter,” Jindal said. “This one matters a lot.”
    Get more pure politics at ABC News.com/Politics and a lighter take on the news at OTUSNews.com
    Jindal was very clear that the health care plan now upheld by the Supreme Court will not be making its way to Louisiana if he can help it.
    “We are not going to start implementing Obamacare,” Jindal said. “We are committed to working to elect Gov. Romney to repeal Obamacare.”

    Virginia Gov. McDonnell was also on the call and said he would evaluate it, but his “hope is in 125 days or so we elect a new president and the Senate along with the House of Representatives will have the votes to repeal this mandate and replace it with a common sense free market, pro-federalism approach to health care.”
    “We are evaluating what the options are here in Virginia,” McDonnell added.
    When asked how Romney will be able to repeal the legislation, Jindal answered that the candidate “has been unequivocal long before yesterday’s decision, but for a year that it was a top priority of his presidency.”
    “On Day One he would do everything he could administratively to gut the mandate of Obamacare, that he’d grant waivers to the states and he would launch an appeal statute to get it off the books and replace it with a policy that honors federalism and honors free market principals in order to provide greater access and less cost to the health care,” McDonnell said.

    They did not expand how Romney would repeal it. Repeal would only be possible if not only Romney wins the presidency, but Republicans hold on to the House and take over the Senate.
    Neither McDonnell or Jindal gave details into what Romney would replace the Affordable Care Act with, but Jindal said Romney “has focused on creating voluntary purchasing pools, on free market reforms to make health care more affordable, more portable, more accessible without undermining the private sector delivery system.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by punkboy101 View Post
    Oh wow, it's like a republican version of "Above Top Secret". The amount of crazy conspiracy theories there is awesome....
    On of our "local" (as in "from germany") newssites analysis is pretty much spot on I think - he did it to get the ultimate "get out of jail free" card for later rulings. Noone can accuse him now of favouring the republicans.

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    Jindal called the health care plan a “blow to our freedoms” and said the “president forced this law on us.”
    Yeah! How DARE the head of executive branch "force the law" on people. What's next, will Obama take control of military too?!?!?!?
    “It really raises the question of what’s next, what’s allowable,” Jindal said on a Republican National Committee Conference Call. “Taxes on people who refuse to eat tofu or refuse to drive a Chevy Volt…”
    And don't forget taxes on unmarried people. Married filing jointly get a tax break. Why Government forces people to get married!?!?!? When will the tyranny stop?!?!?!
    Jindal said despite the law being upheld, Louisiana will “not set up an exchange.” Instead, Jindal says he’s just going to wait in the hopes Romney gets elected and the legislation then repealed, a difficult task even if the presumptive GOP nominee makes it to the White House.
    Jindal was very clear that the health care plan now upheld by the Supreme Court will not be making its way to Louisiana if he can help it.
    “We are not going to start implementing Obamacare,” Jindal said. “We are committed to working to elect Gov. Romney to repeal Obamacare.”
    Brilliant! Next time the cop will try to pull me over for speeding, I'll just keep driving, then argue that I was merely waiting until the speed limits will be declared unconstitutional under the inevitable Ron Paul presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Jindal said despite the law being upheld, Louisiana will “not set up an exchange.” Instead, Jindal says he’s just going to wait in the hopes Romney gets elected and the legislation then repealed, a difficult task even if the presumptive GOP nominee makes it to the White House.
    Jindal was very clear that the health care plan now upheld by the Supreme Court will not be making its way to Louisiana if he can help it.
    “We are not going to start implementing Obamacare,” Jindal said. “We are committed to working to elect Gov. Romney to repeal Obamacare.”
    Brilliant! Next time the cop will try to pull me over for speeding, I'll just keep driving, then argue that I was merely waiting until the speed limits will be declared unconstitutional under the inevitable Ron Paul presidency.
    Oh, this sounds like an interesting idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by punkboy101 View Post
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    Oh wow, it's like a republican version of "Above Top Secret". The amount of crazy conspiracy theories there is awesome.

    He was blackmailed (Due to being caught in bed with a dead woman or live boy)
    Obama threatened him/his family with death
    He's not really a conservative, just pretended to be one
    He hates freedom/America
    He did this purposely because he knows it will give Romney the election then it can be repealed
    He's on drugs,
    and last but not least, something to do with his adopted children, but I couldn't decipher the gibberish enough to understand exactly what they were getting at.
    And finally freepers reveal their true nature:

    Justice Kagan-— whose full name is Kaganovich
    It's international Jewish conspiracy!!! Wake up sheeple!

    Also, you gotta love those that calling for impeachment of Roberts or advancing theories that he is unfit to serve as a Chief Justice due to epilepsy... They want Roberts removed ASAP. Do they realize that replacement Justice would be appointed by... Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by punkboy101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Oh wow, it's like a republican version of "Above Top Secret". The amount of crazy conspiracy theories there is awesome.

    He was blackmailed (Due to being caught in bed with a dead woman or live boy)
    Obama threatened him/his family with death
    He's not really a conservative, just pretended to be one
    He hates freedom/America
    He did this purposely because he knows it will give Romney the election then it can be repealed
    He's on drugs,
    and last but not least, something to do with his adopted children, but I couldn't decipher the gibberish enough to understand exactly what they were getting at.
    And finally freepers reveal their true nature:

    Justice Kagan-— whose full name is Kaganovich
    It's international Jewish conspiracy!!! Wake up sheeple!

    Also, you gotta love those that calling for impeachment of Roberts or advancing theories that he is unfit to serve as a Chief Justice due to epilepsy... They want Roberts removed ASAP. Do they realize that replacement Justice would be appointed by... Obama?
    No because Romney is going to whip Obama in the November election

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    And finally freepers reveal their true nature:

    Justice Kagan-— whose full name is Kaganovich
    It's international Jewish conspiracy!!! Wake up sheeple!
    No, they're implying she's rossiyskaya.
    Also, you gotta love those that calling for impeachment of Roberts or advancing theories that he is unfit to serve as a Chief Justice due to epilepsy... They want Roberts removed ASAP. Do they realize that replacement Justice would be appointed by... Obama?
    That would be very interesting. Suppose they succeeded. Obama would have to call a special session of Congress (is that possible?) to confirm the nominee. He should call one...oh...right around the week of August 27th. You know, to interfere with a certain party's national convention. Ron Paul might stand a chance then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    “It really raises the question of what’s next, what’s allowable,” Jindal said on a Republican National Committee Conference Call. “Taxes on people who refuse to eat tofu or refuse to drive a Chevy Volt…”
    And don't forget taxes on unmarried people. Married filing jointly get a tax break. Why Government forces people to get married!?!?!? When will the tyranny stop?!?!?!
    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.

    All healthcare non-sense aside, you guys on the left really need to think about the power that has just been given to the Feds. It seems great when it's a law you support, but what happens if/when the right wing nuts get control back? Can you imagine Palin ramming through a bill requiring all citizens to own a firearm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.
    There is a direct tax on me for not getting hitched and a tax break if I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.
    There is a direct tax on me for not getting hitched and a tax break if I do.
    If you make no income and have no tax liability, you're not taxed for being single.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.
    There is a direct tax on me for not getting hitched and a tax break if I do.
    If you make no income and have no tax liability, you're not taxed for being single.
    Fantastic argument. You should go practice law as a Supreme Court Justice. I've heard there will be position of Chief Justice opening soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
    If you make no income and have no tax liability, you're not taxed for being single.
    If you make no income and have no tax liability
    If you make no income
    If you make no income
    wat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
    All healthcare non-sense aside, you guys on the left really need to think about the power that has just been given to the Feds.
    Yes, imagine the current US Federal Government, but now with the power to collect taxes. I bet Obama will also create large bureaucratic organisation in charge of collecting this "internal revenue". After that, it is just a matter of time before they will start arresting those folks who failed to pay their taxes, using some kind of armed paramilitary service, specifically dedicated to "enforcing the law".

    Imagine, being sent to prison just because you refused to give Government a portion of your income!
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    I just love how some people are so butthurt over this they are going "lol nope not going to implement it, don't care if that is entirely illegal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    “It really raises the question of what’s next, what’s allowable,” Jindal said on a Republican National Committee Conference Call. “Taxes on people who refuse to eat tofu or refuse to drive a Chevy Volt…”
    And don't forget taxes on unmarried people. Married filing jointly get a tax break. Why Government forces people to get married!?!?!? When will the tyranny stop?!?!?!
    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.

    All healthcare non-sense aside, you guys on the left really need to think about the power that has just been given to the Feds. It seems great when it's a law you support, but what happens if/when the right wing nuts get control back? Can you imagine Palin ramming through a bill requiring all citizens to own a firearm?
    Living in a country where the government has this power (lol Australia) I don't understand this fear at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    “It really raises the question of what’s next, what’s allowable,” Jindal said on a Republican National Committee Conference Call. “Taxes on people who refuse to eat tofu or refuse to drive a Chevy Volt…”
    And don't forget taxes on unmarried people. Married filing jointly get a tax break. Why Government forces people to get married!?!?!? When will the tyranny stop?!?!?!
    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.

    All healthcare non-sense aside, you guys on the left really need to think about the power that has just been given to the Feds. It seems great when it's a law you support, but what happens if/when the right wing nuts get control back? Can you imagine Palin ramming through a bill requiring all citizens to own a firearm?
    Living in a country where the government has this power (lol Australia) I don't understand this fear at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrien View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicho Void View Post
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    “It really raises the question of what’s next, what’s allowable,” Jindal said on a Republican National Committee Conference Call. “Taxes on people who refuse to eat tofu or refuse to drive a Chevy Volt…”
    And don't forget taxes on unmarried people. Married filing jointly get a tax break. Why Government forces people to get married!?!?!? When will the tyranny stop?!?!?!
    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.

    All healthcare non-sense aside, you guys on the left really need to think about the power that has just been given to the Feds. It seems great when it's a law you support, but what happens if/when the right wing nuts get control back? Can you imagine Palin ramming through a bill requiring all citizens to own a firearm?
    Living in a country where the government has this power (lol Australia) I don't understand this fear at all.
    Healthcare versus gun control are two different things. If you fail to have health insurance, when someone visits a hospital the hospital has to bill them and put them in debt - which the hospital can't immediately recover the cost of the operation(s). If someone doesn't own a gun, that's keeping people from owning lethal weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
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    Scott Walker survives recall:
    Dem's - Bah, that sucks, that's money and power for ya. On to the next battle...

    Obamacare survives recall:
    Repubs - THIS IS WORSE THAN 911!!!



    Slight difference I think.
    Not even close I'm afraid.

    Lest we forget the woman who slapped the shit out of the democratic challenger in Wisconsin among other notable fits of rage.


    I think I was walking about elected officials but oh ok.

    Meanwhile,

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ent-obamacare/

    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, one of Mitt Romney’s possible running mates, said that despite Thursday’s decision by the Supreme Court to uphold the Affordable Care Act, he will not implement it in his state.
    Jindal called the health care plan a “blow to our freedoms” and said the “president forced this law on us.”
    “It really raises the question of what’s next, what’s allowable,” Jindal said on a Republican National Committee Conference Call. “Taxes on people who refuse to eat tofu or refuse to drive a Chevy Volt…this whole ruling I think is ridiculous. It’s a huge expansion of federal power.”
    Jindal said despite the law being upheld, Louisiana will “not set up an exchange.”
    Under the legislation, states are required to set up a health insurance exchange program by January 2014 and they will receive grants from the federal government in order to implement it. Instead, Jindal says he’s just going to wait in the hopes Romney gets elected and the legislation then repealed, a difficult task even if the presumptive GOP nominee makes it to the White House.

    “Elections have consequences. Elections do, in fact, matter,” Jindal said. “This one matters a lot.”
    Get more pure politics at ABC News.com/Politics and a lighter take on the news at OTUSNews.com
    Jindal was very clear that the health care plan now upheld by the Supreme Court will not be making its way to Louisiana if he can help it.
    “We are not going to start implementing Obamacare,” Jindal said. “We are committed to working to elect Gov. Romney to repeal Obamacare.”

    Virginia Gov. McDonnell was also on the call and said he would evaluate it, but his “hope is in 125 days or so we elect a new president and the Senate along with the House of Representatives will have the votes to repeal this mandate and replace it with a common sense free market, pro-federalism approach to health care.”
    “We are evaluating what the options are here in Virginia,” McDonnell added.
    When asked how Romney will be able to repeal the legislation, Jindal answered that the candidate “has been unequivocal long before yesterday’s decision, but for a year that it was a top priority of his presidency.”
    “On Day One he would do everything he could administratively to gut the mandate of Obamacare, that he’d grant waivers to the states and he would launch an appeal statute to get it off the books and replace it with a policy that honors federalism and honors free market principals in order to provide greater access and less cost to the health care,” McDonnell said.

    They did not expand how Romney would repeal it. Repeal would only be possible if not only Romney wins the presidency, but Republicans hold on to the House and take over the Senate.
    Neither McDonnell or Jindal gave details into what Romney would replace the Affordable Care Act with, but Jindal said Romney “has focused on creating voluntary purchasing pools, on free market reforms to make health care more affordable, more portable, more accessible without undermining the private sector delivery system.”

    I'd be interested in that idiot's opinions if democrat governors decided to no longer implement the law stating that air time for campaign ads on the state's TV stations must be sold at the lowest price band and instead allowed them to hike up the price on Republican ad buys using good capitalist thinking in knowing that their campaign has much, much more money than the Obama campaign. I suspect a few tears on his side of the aisle would begin to flow. Not that i expect the obvious hypocrisy to stop him from not enacting federal laws he happens to dislike in his state since the republican's seem to have hypocrisy as one of it's core values.

    I'm glad i like in 'socialist' UK. Our conservatives aren't quite as intolerable with their hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
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    Can you really not see the difference between a direct tax for for not taking an action vs. a tax break for doing something? The two couldn't be more distinct.
    There is a direct tax on me for not getting hitched and a tax break if I do.
    If you make no income and have no tax liability, you're not taxed for being single.
    Fantastic argument. You should go practice law as a Supreme Court Justice. I've heard there will be position of Chief Justice opening soon.
    Thanks. You're still not getting it. I'll try again.

    1. You have no job. You are single. You owe nothing.
    2. You have no job. Government now writes a law that requires you to buy a product or get taxed. Now what?

    I fully realize the health care law's fine is 2.5% of your income. That's not the point. The point is that the ruling allows future laws the power to tax you for any reason.

    Edit: Neg rep more haters.

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    No, you stupid little shit. The problem with your argument is that most people DO HAVE JOBS.

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