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[Tellenta]

As long as they don't change it for next election but for the one after that, so that people have time to fix new ones then I don't see what the problem is?

There's the rub. They want it for this one. This happens every fucking presidential election cycle like clockwork, once courts get done screaming unconstitutional this is to close to an election all of a sudden no one cares enough to enact these laws until a few months before the next presidential election. I can recall these debates dating as far back as 1996 for exactly the same reasons. I probably would take your side of the 'give a fuck' meter if it was at all like that. However every four years like magic republicans think this is a good idea to do.

[Fitzy]

As long as they don't change it for next election but for the one after that, so that people have time to fix new ones then I don't see what the problem is?

Here in socialist Sweden a id-card is required. Can be normal id-card, passport or driverslicence. Think it costs somewhere between 8-20 dollars I think.

Yes but in socialist Sweden no one gives a fuck about national id. What shits me of the logical disconnect between thinking that you should be allowed a house full of fully automatics so you can overthrow the state if it goes bad but supporting the idea that the government can demand you have an id with your address on it issues by the state in order to vote.

The answer is simple, they are perfectly fine with the coercive apparatus of the state when it's only directed at people with funny cooled skin; see: police brutality.

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[lubica]

The Land of the Free, etc.

[Chrien]

As long as they don't change it for next election but for the one after that, so that people have time to fix new ones then I don't see what the problem is?

Here in socialist Sweden a id-card is required. Can be normal id-card, passport or driverslicence. Think it costs somewhere between 8-20 dollars I think.

Yes but in socialist Sweden no one gives a fuck about national id. What shits me of the logical disconnect between thinking that you should be allowed a house full of fully automatics so you can overthrow the state if it goes bad but supporting the idea that the government can demand you have an id with your address on it issues by the state in order to vote.

The answer is simple, they are perfectly fine with the coercive apparatus of the state when it's only directed at people with funny cooled skin; see: police brutality.

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This pretty much sums up the irony of it for me. I have no objection to having ID (and would support the introduction of ID cards in Australia), but I don't see how you can rationally argue against big government, demand right to arms etc and generally go full retard mode for liberty and freedom but still support having to be ID checked for elections.

[Bartholomeus Crane]

What people don't seem to get is that the Republicans didn't try to introduce voter registration based on ID. In most cases they attempted to introduce voter registration laws that were based on birth certificates, or passports, or all kinds of other stuff that's much more difficult to obtain (if you're not white and/or wealthy). Most of that, however, was struck down by the courts, so they were left with IDs.

My point is this: if you register to vote some checks have always been made to make sure that you are, actually, allowed to vote. And this actually worked just fine until now. Although the Republicans are screaming murder, actual cases of voter fraud have been far fewer in evidence than they claim. And unfortunately for them, most of these voter fraud cases involve Republicans trying to swindle themselves into office. John Doe Voter, until now, jumped through enough loops, got to vote, and there was nothing really wrong with the system that existed.

But ofcourse the idea is to make sure those who'd want to vote Democrat will find it far more difficult to do. So voter registration based on income, of minority, and the like. So: expensive IDs, passports, birth certificates, what-have-you etc. An over-the-top system for a non-existing problem, just to disenfranchise as many Democrat voters as possible.

[Don Rumata]

In the Wisconsin recall, Madison City clerk reports voting turnout to exceed 119%

VOTING FROD!!!

  Spoiler:

Not really, just means extra 19% are first-time voters

[Nordstern]

I do get the whole 'right to vote' argument that anything that has a chance of excluding someone who can't scrounge up the time or $10-$20 every few years to get a piece of valid photo ID is bad...

Don't think anyone has pointed it out yet, but the gist of why the state-issued ID cards need to be free is that multiple court rulings have affirmed that charging anything for something required to vote constitutes a poll tax, which is prohibited by the U.S. Constitution and/or Bill of Rights.

[Rudolf Miller]

Walker survived the recall by a 60-40 margin (as of 10pm ET count)

That.. is not good news for Obama considering that's a state he carried by double digit percentage points in 08. Romney has a legitimate shot.

[Tellenta]

Walker survived the recall by a 60-40 margin (as of 10pm ET count)

That.. is not good news for Obama considering that's a state he carried by double digit percentage points in 08. Romney has a legitimate shot.

With record turn out to boot. The numbers that Walker spent on this election is hilarious though. Due to a loophole Walker was able to pull in unlimited funds, the loophole was due to the fact that WI law says an incumbent can receive unlimited funding for legal and other reasons. The result predictably is that he raised somewhere over 80 million dollars with 2/3rds from out of state. The Democrat, well he had to stick to the rules and only raised 9 million. I for one expect to hear a lot about "buying the election" in the aftermath.

Oh some sources... one sec

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...aise-unlimite/

The legislation was passed in the 80's with support from both democrats and republicans, so don't wag that at the republicans it doesn't stick.

[Chrien]

80million on a gubenatorial election... holy shit. Thats ridiculous

[Nordstern]

Wonder how much business will deduct from taxes for "cost of constituting business".

[Tellenta]

80million on a gubenatorial election... holy shit. Thats ridiculous

It's only going to get worse due simply to this.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf

Wiki summary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...ion_Commission

Begun the PAC wars have.

[F*** My Aunt Rita]

80million on a gubenatorial election... holy shit. Thats ridiculous

What gets me is that WI has almost 6mil people and 80mil was spent. California see's high dollar campaigns but it's usually their money and California has 38mil people.

[Nordstern]

Hey, as long as Republicans are spending their limits in WI and not nationally, this might work out well for Democrats in November.

[F*** My Aunt Rita]

Hey, as long as Republicans are spending their limits in WI and not nationally, this might work out well for Democrats in November.

[Art]

dear bill clinton: please kindly shut the fuck up

[Tellenta]

Hey, as long as Republicans are spending their limits in WI and not nationally, this might work out well for Democrats in November.

to expand on FMAR's statement.

There are no limits anymore you twat.

[ccpl_fisher]

What people don't seem to get is that the Republicans didn't try to introduce voter registration based on ID. In most cases they attempted to introduce voter registration laws that were based on birth certificates, or passports, or all kinds of other stuff that's much more difficult to obtain (if you're not white and/or wealthy). Most of that, however, was struck down by the courts, so they were left with IDs.

My point is this: if you register to vote some checks have always been made to make sure that you are, actually, allowed to vote. And this actually worked just fine until now. Although the Republicans are screaming murder, actual cases of voter fraud have been far fewer in evidence than they claim. And unfortunately for them, most of these voter fraud cases involve Republicans trying to swindle themselves into office. John Doe Voter, until now, jumped through enough loops, got to vote, and there was nothing really wrong with the system that existed.

But ofcourse the idea is to make sure those who'd want to vote Democrat will find it far more difficult to do. So voter registration based on income, of minority, and the like. So: expensive IDs, passports, birth certificates, what-have-you etc. An over-the-top system for a non-existing problem, just to disenfranchise as many Democrat voters as possible.

How is a birth certificate only for rich white people? You know you get one free for being born right? If you lose yours, it cost a whole $18 (in AZ, where I was born)to get a replacement...

[Tellenta]

What people don't seem to get is that the Republicans didn't try to introduce voter registration based on ID. In most cases they attempted to introduce voter registration laws that were based on birth certificates, or passports, or all kinds of other stuff that's much more difficult to obtain (if you're not white and/or wealthy). Most of that, however, was struck down by the courts, so they were left with IDs.

My point is this: if you register to vote some checks have always been made to make sure that you are, actually, allowed to vote. And this actually worked just fine until now. Although the Republicans are screaming murder, actual cases of voter fraud have been far fewer in evidence than they claim. And unfortunately for them, most of these voter fraud cases involve Republicans trying to swindle themselves into office. John Doe Voter, until now, jumped through enough loops, got to vote, and there was nothing really wrong with the system that existed.

But ofcourse the idea is to make sure those who'd want to vote Democrat will find it far more difficult to do. So voter registration based on income, of minority, and the like. So: expensive IDs, passports, birth certificates, what-have-you etc. An over-the-top system for a non-existing problem, just to disenfranchise as many Democrat voters as possible.

How is a birth certificate only for rich white people? You know you get one free for being born right? If you lose yours, it cost a whole $18 (in AZ, where I was born)to get a replacement...

The real problem comes down to timing. What barth said just sums up how retarded people get when talking about this. Either way you don't change the rules for voting this close to an election. It's basically against the law.

[Wall]

How is a birth certificate only for rich white people? You know you get one free for being born right? If you lose yours, it cost a whole $18 (in AZ, where I was born)to get a replacement...

What he means is it's difficult for future democratic voters from South & Central America to get.