Speaking of less restrictives gun laws... Do you know that during the Tampa convention in Florida there is no limitation on carrying of firearms? If you think Paultards breaking hips is hilarious, just wait for thousands of republicans in Florida, in August, all of them packing heat. During the hurricane season, also too.
In the glorious police state of the united kingdom i just walk to my polling station, tell them my name and they give me the voting card. End of. I don't see why one should have to prove their identity beyond their own word to be allowed to vote; it's not like impersonation is rampant.
If Takon is for liberty and freedom then how can he be for ID cards.... hypocrite
Some basic reading, they are PDF's and may load slow depending.
Considering most of the voter fraud found was either a clerical error or performed via absentee voting the arguments behind toughening the requirements to be allowed to vote is questionable at best, and undemocratic at worst.
Voter ID laws protect liberty because they protect the abuse of the democratic process.
If you really are opposed to having to pay for an ID, then pass legislation in your state that provides FREE ID's to everyone over age 18.
Edit: I feel some of you are mixing the issues a bit...
By protecting the integrity of the process, you maintain the 1:1 person to vote ratio...
I'd say someone voting 3-4 times (or however many times they can hit up the polls in one area) steps on the liberties of the others who follow the rules. Not to mention people who can currently "vote" even though they are not citizens.
I could also reference the straw poll we did here on FHC to make us the "Best online community" where everyone voted 10x a day to make us come to the top...
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He is actually being investigated by New Hampshire Attorney General for actual voter fraud and for videotaping said "fraud" without consent, which is illegal in New Hampshire. He also admitted that he knew that instances of "voter fraud" weren't actually fraud at all.
And then there is episode where he tried to lure CNN correspondent onto his boat and "seduce her on camera", using "dildos", "playboys and pornographic magazines", "fuzzy handcuffs" and, most importantly, "Viagra and stamina pills".
I really hate that. It's like some trendy hipster anti-establishment thing that they do. Like how in the Kony video he starts asking his 6 year old kid what he thinks about genocide in Africa and what to do about Kony. Because that's mature.
And I don't even think asking for some form of ID is a big deal. How can you not have any sort of ID at all? Here they will take anything with your photo on it. I think they also mail you a card that you need to show but I forget. Makes no sense to me why it's a big deal for anyone.
Originally Posted by Loire
It's a bunch of assholes trying to increase their chances of not being blown out in the election because if they succeed, they get to keep opposition voters at home. In some towns and counties, this only needs a couple hundred vote swing.
From here, I can say that I don't have a problem setting the bar as low as requiring some form of ID. I suppose I'm an insensitive prick who wants to exclude the most downtrodden of individuals from participating in democracy.
Originally Posted by Loire
What gets me is that there are very very few legitimate reasons to not have a valid ID. Make a bank account? ID. Collect a welfare check? ID. Rent an expensive house or even get into low income housing? You need ID. Unless you're a newly recognized adult of 18 still living at home, you would have to be seriously leeching off of someone to handle your entire livelyhood to get by without ever having some form of ID. Lost your ID? You can order a replacement online, by telephone, or even through the post office.
Because driving 98 year old granny Daisy to the DMV in Shitfuck, Alabamastan to get a licence she wouldn't be able to legally get is such a realistic option. Just because some people look the other way on an expired drivers license doesn't make it a legal, government issued ID. She's a citizen, she should be allowed to vote without putting her life in jeopardy. Again, there are not a whole lot of realistic options for some people to get valid government issued ID in the states.Originally Posted by Keorythe
Basically they want to change things away from thisto thisValid photo identification, such as a driver's license or state identification card, student identification card, or tribal identification card
A voter identification issued by a county elections officer, or
A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, or government check or other government documentWhile not a big deal in the grand scheme of things it is one of the many little things and if it steps on someones toes for when they want to vote then it's a bad idea. It's not like people can show up to vote with zero need to show who they are now. They just want to change it so it costs more money I guess.Specific forms of ID are not listed in statute. ID must be issued by the state of Indiana or the U.S. government and must show the following:
Name of individual to whom it was issued, which must conform to the individual's registration record
Photo of the person to whom it was issued
Expiration date (if it is expired, it must have an expiration date after the most recent general election; military IDs are exempted from the requirement that ID bear an expiration date)
Must be issued by the United States or the state of Indiana
As long as they don't change it for next election but for the one after that, so that people have time to fix new ones then I don't see what the problem is?
Here in socialist Sweden a id-card is required. Can be normal id-card, passport or driverslicence. Think it costs somewhere between 8-20 dollars I think.