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    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Thoughts?
    Now that everyone knows tracking-bonused large blasters can kill frigs, they won't go near you. As you still have far less damage projection than a Mach, you are at risk from rapiers/linked lokis. Also a shield, neuts-only Curse will stop you shooting.

    Came expecting brawler dual LAR dual injected fit with MJD, because if no-one dares to come close or lasts long enough, you're not scrambled and thus can blink to freedom rather than have to last 60s not being bumped from a gate/station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Thoughts?
    Now that everyone knows tracking-bonused large blasters can kill frigs, they won't go near you
    When did people not know that?
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    tbh.

    Assuming Loki Links, HG Snakes, Strong Blue Pill......

    2295/3323 m/s, 952/1095 dps 16+26, 567/726 tank. Cap lasts plenty long with navy 400s in the heavy injector unless you're a retard, if you are a retard and still want to fly something this shiny, u can split cap charges and put 800s in ur injector.

    Also has the lovely option to load void and go "FUCK YOU 1500 DPS IN YO FACE BIATCHHHH."

    Still probably loses to machariel in 1v1 as mach, while doing less dps, applies said dps a lot further than Vindi does. Vindi is better overall ship due to significantly higher antitackle capability and extra boost to dps when needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Thoughts?
    Now that everyone knows tracking-bonused large blasters can kill frigs, they won't go near you
    When did people not know that?
    Before the Talos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
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    Thoughts?
    Now that everyone knows tracking-bonused large blasters can kill frigs, they won't go near you
    When did people not know that?
    Before the Talos.
    I dunno nobody ever charged my mega.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Thoughts?
    Now that everyone knows tracking-bonused large blasters can kill frigs, they won't go near you
    When did people not know that?
    Before the Talos.
    I dunno nobody ever charged my mega.
    But who the he'll flew the mega between 08 and the blaster buff? Ur a funny guy

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    They had no need to charge your mega (you weren't going anywhere fast), and it wouldn't have had dual TEs. Nor a web if solo (or the ability to lock a frig before its under guns), thus nothing like the tracking of a standard Talos or Vindi.

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    I have been given a vindi with the task of making it explode gloriously.

    Thinking of running it with a MJD, blap anything within 25km and then jump away from heavy DPS kiters like tier 3s 'n such.
    One big problem is the lack of scram, so any other MJD fitted BSes can jump away like myself.

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    Tanks 500 DPS on the rep before reload then drops to 167, 1350 rep/cycle vs 450 rep/cycle.

    950 DPS at 14+22 with null, 1074 with heat.
    1150 DPS at 5.2+16 with CNAM, 1306 with heat.
    1273 DPS at 7.8+7.8 with void, 1441 with heat.

    ECCM takes SS to 63 and then 77 with heat.

    Went for some lighter drones rather than 5 heavies to better beat down any light tackle that gets up close, frigates with TDs and such, enough space to carry some spares or ECM drones.
    Tried to keep pimp pretty low, only other things that could be changed are TE, warp disruptor and the heavy booster, but I don't see them as essential. Linked, skirmish implanted and heat takes the web to 25km which is still good damage range, the point goes to 34km, It doesnt have a MWD so I can't close range fast on anything out web range but in point range at 140m/s

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    I'm a bit unsure about putting AARs on high-profile ships.
    Sure, you can tank a whole lot, but for the amount of attention these attract you're probably better suited running anything else for a longer period of time.
    They aren't exactly ships known for quick and dirty fights
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    Please tell me it isn't already rigged like that.
    Fuck the ECCM, do AB and then a smarty. If your plan is kill/scare off everything within scram range, go scram+web. AB also lets you get back to gate/control transv/range so as to MJD (especially if with loki links).
    I'm p sure that with legion links, even 2 cheap c-type Core LARs would be better than a LAAR+plate running off of 1 injector. Maybe not if you have HG Slaves and swap those T2 rigs to trimarks. Fed navy 1600mm plate is cheap btw.
    No need for TE, probably best passive-ing the explo resist low and make the TE another mag stab or EANM/maybe RAH. Reconsider the damage rig as a tank one(nano pump/trimark) too.
    Heat the injector off the bat/keep cap high. Don't engage BSs that could have scrams/neuts unless you also immediately pull range to MJD.

    Honestly the biggest threat is probably just a few bumping scram BC/cruisers at a time supported by 2 t1 logi at range.

    This is with pre-1.1 PyFA, so PG might slightly diff: go full neutrons or downgrade AB, IDK which way depending on armour rigging skills, etc.
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    You have downgraded a gun to a smartbomb which makes your fit automatically terrible.

    If you want a 7 gun, 8 high blaster boat, go fly a navy mega instead

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    Tbh, just put an alt in a throaway falcon and jamm off all scramblers, and go full gank (and web/ab or dualweb).


    Edit: before some true solo honourworthy scrublord comes complaining, obviously dont use it for 1v1/2s and such, but it really isnt gay if you use a falcon when your fighting a ten man gang with a lone vindi. Its not as its unkillable then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Tbh, just put an alt in a throaway falcon and jamm off all scramblers, and go full gank (and web/ab or dualweb).


    Edit: before some true solo honourworthy scrublord comes complaining, obviously dont use it for 1v1/2s and such, but it really isnt gay if you use a falcon when your fighting a ten man gang with a lone vindi. Its not as its unkillable then.
    Any use of a Falcon is really really really gay, and I use links sometimes, but falcons are just a whole new level of faggotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharptoast View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Tbh, just put an alt in a throaway falcon and jamm off all scramblers, and go full gank (and web/ab or dualweb).


    Edit: before some true solo honourworthy scrublord comes complaining, obviously dont use it for 1v1/2s and such, but it really isnt gay if you use a falcon when your fighting a ten man gang with a lone vindi. Its not as its unkillable then.
    Any use of a Falcon is really really really gay, and I use links sometimes, but falcons are just a whole new level of faggotry.
    Should flynwith links and falcon tbh. Falcon is strictly for anti falcon work. Fit 3 eccm + caldari jammers. Works like a charm,

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharptoast View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Tbh, just put an alt in a throaway falcon and jamm off all scramblers, and go full gank (and web/ab or dualweb).


    Edit: before some true solo honourworthy scrublord comes complaining, obviously dont use it for 1v1/2s and such, but it really isnt gay if you use a falcon when your fighting a ten man gang with a lone vindi. Its not as its unkillable then.
    Any use of a Falcon is really really really gay, and I use links sometimes, but falcons are just a whole new level of faggotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaftoes View Post
    You have downgraded a gun to a smartbomb which makes your fit automatically terrible.

    If you want a 7 gun, 8 high blaster boat, go fly a navy mega instead
    NMega doesn't have a 90% web though which i think is the major attraction of the vindicator as anything inside scram range is sitting still and you can deal with it (within reason). If it's not in scram range then just blink away to freedom.

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    Yeah I'd sorely love the Navy Mega (or Hyperion) to be half the ship the Vindi is, but that 5th mid + damage bonus + web bonus is huge. Along with the Mega hull's tracking bonus.

    And a smartbomb will kill drones fast, ECM & otherwise, while ECCM is just shitty random luck vs ECM. Yes it might work better vs a Falcon, but 1 Falcon (who fits for you in the shiny hero BS) is still likely to ruin your plans of breaking tackle. Remember sentries no longer shoot drones, so any shitty wave of ec-300s will keep cycling & will get lucky, so why not just kill them, and probably reduce enemy dps.

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    Hey all, I just came back to EVE after taking a year off. With all the changes recently, what do you guys suggest for Vindi setups these days? Are dual LARs viable at all or is a shield/nano setup like what LordsServant suggested better overall?

    I don't need exact fits, I'm just wondering if people are favoring armor or shield tanks. I've seen a few shield Vindis running around but never tried one myself because it seems like your'e still better off with a Machariel if you're spending that much isk. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straahl View Post
    Hey all, I just came back to EVE after taking a year off. With all the changes recently, what do you guys suggest for Vindi setups these days? Are dual LARs viable at all or is a shield/nano setup like what LordsServant suggested better overall?

    I don't need exact fits, I'm just wondering if people are favoring armor or shield tanks. I've seen a few shield Vindis running around but never tried one myself because it seems like your'e still better off with a Machariel if you're spending that much isk. Thoughts?
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    If you can get a fight, id love to try something like this now that x-type reps arent 1 bil a pop anymore but cost less then 100mil each.

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    Cap battery + 3200s means you are almost neut immune, and if you fight vs non neuts you have absurd cap anyways, so you dont even need to use the cap booster most zimrs. Asklepians means this tanks a lot of dps, but without the kronos "i tank 10k dps" stigmata so you will get people to fight you (i think). Can go mjd instead of cap battery or prop mod, will have to see (mjd is nice on the vindi, because you kill anything in scram range so your odds for getting out are quite good)


    Some stats, price 1.37bil isk in jita if you keep the t2 rig, if you t1 it 1.2 bil. Ehp: 94k Dps: 1300/1447 Tank (with HG ASK + nobles and improved exile): 3154/4181 dps tanked. Cap stable without the cap booster and mwd off 1min 40, stable with cap booster.


    All around very decent stats. Might also just try a cheaper version like

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    Ogre II x5

    Which does mostly the same with a bit less tank/dps/ehp for 780 mil.
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    I have played around with this, and would like some input.

    (don't have top skills for it.)

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