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    people like this is why you can unironically make the argument that Lenin and Mao did just one thing wrong, they where far too lenient.
    You might want to phone in to your local municipality waterworks and ask them to stop serving cheap Danish beer through the tapwater. I mean yeah, cunts like the one I quoted can fuck off. But saying Mao was too lenient when he mass murdered tens of millions of people is a proper wewlad
    i wasn't referring to the cultural revolution or the great leap forward, but rather the land reforms.

    they left that bit to the local communities by the way.

    Maoist china is a mindfuck and a half, and a excellent argument against investing significant power in the individual. he was without doubt one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century, but that doesn't mean he didn't run China most of the way into the ground.
    The idea of a Leninist Marxist dictatorship of the prolitariat holds no appeal to me. If you can't implement Socialism peacefully, I'll settle for the next best thing, a strong welfare state after the Nordic model and the Norwegian three part workers model specifically. It has served us well for over a hundred years, and while most of Europe where embroiled in strikes and political crisis in the early 20th century, we had stability thanks to this model and the fact that all parts sat down around the table and worked out concessions that benefited everyone.

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    Can you guys quarantine the commie talk to the proper thread for once? "Eat the rich" is the new Godwin, as much as i sympathise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    people like this is why you can unironically make the argument that Lenin and Mao did just one thing wrong, they where far too lenient.
    You might want to phone in to your local municipality waterworks and ask them to stop serving cheap Danish beer through the tapwater. I mean yeah, cunts like the one I quoted can fuck off. But saying Mao was too lenient when he mass murdered tens of millions of people is a proper wewlad
    i wasn't referring to the cultural revolution or the great leap forward, but rather the land reforms.

    they left that bit to the local communities by the way.

    Maoist china is a mindfuck and a half, and a excellent argument against investing significant power in the individual. he was without doubt one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century, but that doesn't mean he didn't run China most of the way into the ground.
    The idea of a Leninist Marxist dictatorship of the prolitariat holds no appeal to me. If you can't implement Socialism peacefully, I'll settle for the next best thing, a strong welfare state after the Nordic model and the Norwegian three part workers model specifically. It has served us well for over a hundred years, and while most of Europe where embroiled in strikes and political crisis in the early 20th century, we had stability thanks to this model and the fact that all parts sat down around the table and worked out concessions that benefited everyone equally.
    i would settle for that just fine if it was actually long term viable, but in a global sense it's really not, it's heavily dependent on being able to import cheap goods from outside meaning in turn it's dependent on the existing world order that relies heavily on keeping parts of the world indebted and impoverished on a permanent basis.

    the three part approach we've both so used to is contingent on a strong labour movement to balance power and extract concessions, but what happens when that is actively undermined by the two other parties at the table ? because it's precisely what has been going on since the early 90's and it's clear at this point that it has functionally zero sustainability long term in that state, the welfare state has become a big fat pig to be carved up and sold off when the public is not looking.

    that doesn't mean the underlying ideas are bad and should be discarded, nobody half-way sane is making that argument, the heavy focus on democracy at all levels of society is integral to any approach that qualifies as socialist.

    incidentally, arguing for "peaceful revolution" is a canard and a half, there is no such thing as a revolution without the treat of violence, be it overt or implied. the transition from absolute monarchy to constitutional monarchy in Scandinavia illustrates this process happening with the implied threat of violence, but it was always there and to pretend otherwise is conservative myth-making at it's finest.

    social change, especially radical change in power structures do not happen without violence, without putting that bit on the table, implicitly or explicitly there is no coercive factor relating to the existing power structure. demanding that is removed removes any basis for demanding change in the first place, thus it just serves as a argument to defang anything that demands alterations in the status quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    Can you guys quarantine the commie talk to the proper thread for once? "Eat the rich" is the new Godwin, as much as i sympathise.
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    Ok, I'm going to make a new thread we can keep all the commie/not so commie political talk in. This is derailing the thread too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Ok, I'm going to make a new thread we can keep all the commie/not so commie political talk in. This is derailing the thread too much
    it's still going to splurge all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Ok, I'm going to make a new thread we can keep all the commie/not so commie political talk in. This is derailing the thread too much
    it's still going to splurge all over the place.
    Then people can msg me or any other mod and we will clean up and move posts to where it's more appropriate

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    Is this the replacement for the "political shots fired" thread?

    If so, what was wrong with the old one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    people like this is why you can unironically make the argument that Lenin and Mao did just one thing wrong, they where far too lenient.
    You might want to phone in to your local municipality waterworks and ask them to stop serving cheap Danish beer through the tapwater. I mean yeah, cunts like the one I quoted can fuck off. But saying Mao was too lenient when he mass murdered tens of millions of people is a proper wewlad
    i wasn't referring to the cultural revolution or the great leap forward, but rather the land reforms.

    they left that bit to the local communities by the way.

    Maoist china is a mindfuck and a half, and a excellent argument against investing significant power in the individual. he was without doubt one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century, but that doesn't mean he didn't run China most of the way into the ground.
    If you can't implement Socialism peacefully, I'll settle for the next best thing, a strong welfare state after the Nordic model
    m8 people are still getting fucking murdered and tortured in Latin America for even a little taste of those things

    You can't possibly be this much of a dork

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elriche Oshego View Post
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    Suffice to say the next decade is going to be very different from the previous one. I think globalism will be replaced by regionalism, as in no more EU getting all parts from Asia but rather from countries in the region. There will def be more power to the national states but if it goes fascItaly, capitalist dystopia or Scandi socialism remains to be seen.

    Tourism is quite unlikely to be the same though.
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    good to see that Fortior seems like a decent bloke and isn't a gay fat faggot nerd despite his pony avatar

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    Suffice to say the next decade is going to be very different from the previous one. I think globalism will be replaced by regionalism, as in no more EU getting all parts from Asia but rather from countries in the region. There will def be more power to the national states but if it goes fascItaly, capitalist dystopia or Scandi socialism remains to be seen.

    Tourism is quite unlikely to be the same though.
    Real men pvp in barges.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amantus View Post
    good to see that Fortior seems like a decent bloke and isn't a gay fat faggot nerd despite his pony avatar

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    I thought this was the commie spurge thread?
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    The choices are socialism or barbarism.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The choices are socialism or barbarism.
    Unironically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The kind where everyone lives happily ever after at the end (except the landlords)
    The sad part is that Keckers genuinely believes this.

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    Yes I genuinely believe landlords are a parasitic class who create a drag on the economy and exercise unjust power over essential resources. How awful of me.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Yes I genuinely believe landlords are a parasitic class who create a drag on the economy and exercise unjust power over essential resources. How awful of me.
    Yeah but who else is going to own real estate? You? LOL

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