The new DLC is worth getting if you liked the ME2 DLC. Story wise it doesn't get super interesting until the end (you'll want to play it if you're into the lore, possible ME4 setup as well), but it's still a decent value proposition. There's VO from all your party members and you visit quite a few different locations that all look nice. It also adds a few extra lines to the last conversation of the game lol.
It's like Indiana Jones, if the last film in the trilogy was the Crystal Skull one; ie. it sets out awesome and then gets WTFshit at the end
As a MEvirgin, I'd play it again though. There are some fantastic bits of storytelling in ME1 and ME2, and ME3 has its moments.
(oh, and wasn't it Romero who said: "Video games and pornography are very similar; the storytelling and plot is secondary to the action"?)
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Well Romero can get fucked sounds like a brainless prick.Originally Posted by firefoxx80
It's like Indiana Jones, if the last film in the trilogy was the Crystal Skull one; ie. it sets out awesome and then gets WTFshit at the end
As a MEvirgin, I'd play it again though. There are some fantastic bits of storytelling in ME1 and ME2, and ME3 has its moments.
(oh, and wasn't it Romero who said: "Video games and pornography are very similar; the storytelling and plot is secondary to the action"?)
I like my porn with storytelling and plot
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As long as my games get it as well.
Is that Romero as in John Romero, the fucking "genius" behind Daikatana?Well Romero can get fucked sounds like a brainless prick.It's like Indiana Jones, if the last film in the trilogy was the Crystal Skull one; ie. it sets out awesome and then gets WTFshit at the end
As a MEvirgin, I'd play it again though. There are some fantastic bits of storytelling in ME1 and ME2, and ME3 has its moments.
(oh, and wasn't it Romero who said: "Video games and pornography are very similar; the storytelling and plot is secondary to the action"?)
If so then lol.
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Sorry, got my John's wrong...
John Carmack:
Quoted in David Kushner, Masters of Doom: How Two Guys Created an Empire and Transformed Pop Culture Chapter 8, p. 120.Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important.
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Carmack's something of a single-minded zealot though. Mindblowingly good at building game engines...pretty bad at everything else. (Doom 3 anyone? Yeah, I thought so.)
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I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
NWN2 stories >>>> NWN1 also.for me BioWare was never the pinnacle of western RPGs, indeed, in a field as sparse as wRPGs anyone half decent often comes out better than BioWare.
Planescape Torment was the best of the AD&D 2nd ed games, fallout 1 and 2 were both more fun for me than either BG (but the BG's were good, and I loved BG1), KOTOR 2 was clearly unfinished, but the quality of the dialogue and depth of the characters is still sits beyond KOTOR 1.
Generally BioWare does what they do, they make one type of story only. They tack on passable game play which wouldn't cut mustard on it's own, and make up an excuse for it with the concept of story. Problem is the quality of a lot of the dialogue is often lacking, as are many of their characters.
Fact is BioWare have, since BG2, been the masters of mediocrity in terms of creativity and ability. I feel the fall of Black Isle (who helped on BG1 and 2) hurt them more than they realised. Sure they get introduced as the masters of rpg, but when I sit back and think about it, I've always preferred the alternative to the BioWare product.
Planescape and Fallout 2 over Baldurs Gate 2
The Witcher and The Witcher 2 over Dragon Age (never played DA2 as I thought the demo was terrible)
KOTOR 2 over KOTOR
And the true kicker for me is I really liked ME1, I liked ME2, but ME3 I only really like the Krogan and Geth/Quarian parts. Way too many overused set pieces and over excitement of gameplay that isn't that hot. Far too much use of godmode plot armour for npcs.
ME3 gave me the feeling of 'should of read the book', except the last book was by all accounts a fucking train wreck which had to be rectoned.
ME3 is playable, it's fun it's got Garus, it's got Tali, it's not terrible, but it should of been more. ME1 promised so much, and in contrast ME3 just didn't deliver that promise.
Someone give Obsidian a decent budget and the time to finish a game already, they're the ones who are actually good at stories and dialogue.
Someone did. That's how we got Fallout: New Vegas.
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to be fair to New Vegas
its not a bad game given what they had to work with, it could use a less shitty community, especially some of the modders need to go die in a fire somewhere, stop putting fucking boobies on everything and produce some quality content instead, Project Nevada did it right and should serve as a bright and shining example of awesome modding can be, the XRE vertibird stuff is another brilliant example of the same.
but all recent Bethesda games suffer from that problem and the nexus seems to encourage it because it makes advertisement $$$.
if i ever manage to get rich i should propably start a decent competitor to that place, but with a :seriousmods: kind of focus, ah well.
Actually I was saying it was a fantastic game.
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New Vegas was great, but it was built on a completely shitty engine and Bethesda did a pretty shitty QA job on it.
So let's take this one step further: They need enough time to finish and test (or get it tested) the game properly AND a useful engine. Their own tech for Dungeon Siege 3 is very good, the game has other issues but I'd love to see what they can do with this engine and mechanics and writing like Alpha Protocol or Black Isle-style RPGs.
New Vegas actually isn't an example of proper budget and time. They got fucked on that one too. They had a year chopped off their projected two year dev cycle and were working with an engine that they had zero experience with. They had -one- guy shipped in who had prior experience with the engine, six months into dev cycle. Hence all the asset recycling and. I really wish Obsidian would get the resources they need to do a game properly.Spoiler:
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I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
I know about their issues during FONV development as laid out by ropekid, but the writing is not a problem. Legion simplistic thugs? Not really...
Regarding the Legion:
Spoiler:
I recall some interview where they basically admitted that the Legion was written last in their dev cycle, and a lot of the stuff they wanted to get into the core game got shoved off into Lonesome Road. CBA to dig it up though.
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I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
Caesar having Sam Fisher's voice helped sell them though IMO.
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New vegas was best imo when you killed everyone that you could.
That's what you do when you run out of misc side-missions and want to see how easily all the guards in town die. It's what happened to me when I was stuck with a console version of bethseda's games at the end.
The downside to this is, you then play Skyrim and half the fucking cast is set invulnerable. So disappointing.
Of course, if we'd stick to the topic - in Mass Effect you can only ever shoot who and what's supposed to be shot in the first place. Wooo, progress!
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