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    Yup.

    What a cluster.

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    If Bloomberg becomes a viable candidate then anybody claiming to be left wing needs to take part in dismantling the DNC and building a new party.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    He’s already a ‘viable’ candidate, in that he’s likely to end up getting a pretty big chunk of delegates, more than Biden.

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    Hoping to torpedo Bernie with a brokered convention if the delegate counts are split between 5 different candidates. If the Democratic party fractures and Trump wins, hey that's just fine too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Sanders - Warren would be a dream ticket, tbh. Especially when one considers that Sanders might well not run for a second term.
    Both have an electability problem, frankly. Poncohontas knows a bit what she's up against, but the Republican hate machine will hit Bernie hard, in the way that HRC's campaign never did. As more of a nuisance and a spoiler before, Bernie has never really been tested in that way. And now the impeachment is over, we already know that Trump and the GOP will put out all the stops; and this will be the dirtiest, most manipulated election ever.

    Hate to say it, but looking at the UK and Corbyn, a Sanders - Warren ticket might well go the same. I know there's a lot of bollox said about the estabilishment by the dark horse myth believers on here, but they have good reason to be worried about 4 more years of Trump. Outside the primaries, neither are polling well among the voters they need to topple Trump.
    I see the Barth propaganda machine is already working full steam

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    They have a billionaire owned media problem. The same as anyone mildly left wing in Anglophone nations.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Do we think Bernie can best trump? Is that realistic? Am curious don’t know
    He's the person with the best chances from all of the democratic candidates. Whether he will be allowed to or succeed remains to be seen.
    That's not entirely true. Biden has certainly slumped, but he's still the candidate who beats Trump with the biggest margin in the latest polls. As far as I know.

    Having said that: all major candidates, including Bloomberg, beat Trump in that poll, only if by 4 to 5 points (lowest).

    However, that's taking the election as a popularity contest. With the electoral college in play, who knows where that ends up.

    And, and that's what I was saying: you don't know where Bernie ends up after the billion dollar Trump misinformation campaign has had it's day. And, yes, he will bring up Bernie's 'sexual fantasy' essay from 43 years ago, etc. He will definitely go there (where HRC never did).

    The point being that almost all remaining candidates are doing reasonably well in one-on-one polls against Trump, but the GOP hasn't really gotten started yet. Because they don't know who to fight. It'll be a completely different ballgame once they do. And Bernie, too, is not without his vulnerabilities.

    Though I do grant you, Bernie is currently the frontrunner ...
    People have been talking about it for years, but the Bernie essay has made barely any noise. Meanwhile you can pick from 30 years worth of Biden clips where he calls for social security cuts

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    Sorry but Social Security cuts are a material issue. Democrats only care about being civil and clapping back to mean republicans.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    The news radio here was quite put off by the whiteness of the first two Democratic competitions. The narrative that they do not represent the core of Democrats, which both CNN and MSNC described as being African American women, was consistent.

    They had the head of the DNC on, and it sounded like change as to which States will have their primaries/caucuses when will definitely be a thing prior to the 2024 cycle. I would fully expect a drive to shift the first Democrat primary to a majority minority State.

    Personally, I am very much looking forward to voting in the 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary in my State.


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    Well, I think the general consensus in Cali is that we were sick our the primaries more or less being decided by the time we normally used to vote, so, I’ll be curious to see what happens now that it’s happening fairly early in the process.
    meh

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    Thank ye kindly lads. Some illuminating stuff.

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    Yeah, let's listen to the marginalized voice of the wall street for a change

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    After all wall street is famous for its ability to accurately assess risks

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    I wonder what Wall Street thought of Obamas and H Clinton's electablity.

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    I think yuppies know their voters. The affluent Jewish broker in his Manhattan condo can relate to the black working class woman in Louisiana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Wall Street shrugs off Sanders, because they don't think that Bernie can win in the primaries, but that, even if he does, Trump will just destroy him in the one-on-one:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...sanders-114529

    "You donít see any reaction to Bernie in the market because nobody right now thinks he has any chance in hell,Ē said one top executive at a giant bank who generally supports Democrats. ďAnd itís just New Hampshire. Heís won it before. So what? If heís the nominee Trump can absolutely kill him. There will be people even in places like New York and California who will go in the booth and vote for Trump and not tell their spouses about it."
    "The general view is that these polls havenít been pressure-tested and nobody has really run hard against Sanders. Heís got a solid lock on 20 to 25 percent of the Democratic primary voters, but itís really hard to see how that broadens out to become a national coalition. Still, if it really looked like Sanders was going to get the nomination, I think the market would show at least a little bit of concern."
    Sounds familiar ...
    The subtext of this is "don't vote for Sanders, it will disrupt your stock portfolio and retirement".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Looks like Deval Patrick spend more time on his 'drop-out-of-the-race' message than on actually campaigning.
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    Why do people keep voting for Bernie, don't they know nobody will ever vote for him? :trollface:
    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered, those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid. Thus the wise win before they fight, while the ignorant fight to win." - Zhuge Liang


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Why do people keep voting for Bernie, don't they know nobody will ever vote for him? :trollface:
    r/enlightenedcentrism

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    For Europe he literally is an centrist candidature to be fair

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