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    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/14/p...ost/index.html

    The cost of Sanders' agenda -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record

    >peacetime


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    why not 999999999999 trillion, cnn?

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    The shilling from CNN is so transparent

    The sad thing is theres enough stupid people out there for it to work

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    The cost of universal healthcare and affordable education is (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions becoming exposed for the leeches that they are. As well as a reshuffle, if not collapse, of the credit industry.

    Of course they are going to shill as hard as they can, they know which side their bread is buttered on.



    That said, if a progressive gets elected, i fully expect the overhaul that gets past congress to be even more inefficient than before due to horse trading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    The cost of universal healthcare and affordable education is (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions becoming exposed for the leeches that they are. As well as a reshuffle, if not collapse, of the credit industry.

    Of course they are going to shill as hard as they can, they know which side their bread is buttered on.



    That said, if a progressive gets elected, i fully expect the overhaul that gets past congress to be even more inefficient than before due to horse trading.
    It's probably into 7 figures rather than just hundreds of thousands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    The cost of universal healthcare and affordable education is (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions becoming exposed for the leeches that they are. As well as a reshuffle, if not collapse, of the credit industry.

    Of course they are going to shill as hard as they can, they know which side their bread is buttered on.



    That said, if a progressive gets elected, i fully expect the overhaul that gets past congress to be even more inefficient than before due to horse trading.
    Yeah administrative bloat is an easy target, but not even close to the whole problem.

    To get the per-capita spending of normal countries, you'll need to declare war on every part of the healthcare system with an aggressive pricing system.

    Orgs like the AMA or this or that non-profit hospital network should not be engaged with in good faith. They opposed the public option in the last healthcare push, so the only way you're getting serious reform, is to bulldoze right over them.

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    this gentleman breaks it down for teds


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    “Gets almost 1/3 of the signatures needed to remove the governor”

    “Tyranny”

    My sides.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    this gentleman has a break down
    Now now Razor, it's not nice to mock retards.

    It's clearly not true because all True Patriots(TM) have already been disarmed and herded into Emperor Obama's FEMA concentration camp network during Jade Helm, remember?

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    Probably far too much introspection to expect, but the chuds sharing that facebook blather should maybe stop and think about how readily their fellow cunt-try men (plus one Canadian) were literally going to mow them down with an automatic AR at that very same rally for lols

    ~ not that the idea of the tree of liberty being self pruning isn't entirely unattractive in this context ~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    The cost of universal healthcare and affordable education is (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions becoming exposed for the leeches that they are. As well as a reshuffle, if not collapse, of the credit industry.

    Of course they are going to shill as hard as they can, they know which side their bread is buttered on.



    That said, if a progressive gets elected, i fully expect the overhaul that gets past congress to be even more inefficient than before due to horse trading.
    So now we're blaming 'the (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions'? As well as 'the credit industry'?

    Sorry to break it to you, but this is basically Bernie's own fault/problem. He knows his plans look massively expensive to your average tax payer (who expects to be paying for it), so he doesn't want to put a number on it. As that would scare them even more.

    So, even though I think it'd be totally worth it (it's time the US dealt with this, and turns into a proper welfare state. If it has money for the military-industrial complex, it should have money for this), you can't really blame everyone else for putting a number on it then, can you?

    Let's at least try to be honest about this: Bernie's weak point on his policy plans is that they are expensive, but he won't say how expensive. He has been dancing around the costing for years now. Now that's great for the people who'll benefit from those policies (which I would argue would be everyone, but OK), but not so much for those that would have to pay for it all.

    And if that would be the 1%, but that's not what Joe middle class tax payer thinks, now, is it?

    It's the difference (at least on the surface) between Warren and Bernie. At least Warren's policies are costed (more or less).
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    The United State prints the world's reserve currency. His policies are cheaper than all the wars they are caught up in. The price point isn't the issue.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    The cost of universal healthcare and affordable education is (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions becoming exposed for the leeches that they are. As well as a reshuffle, if not collapse, of the credit industry.

    Of course they are going to shill as hard as they can, they know which side their bread is buttered on.



    That said, if a progressive gets elected, i fully expect the overhaul that gets past congress to be even more inefficient than before due to horse trading.
    So now we're blaming 'the (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions'? As well as 'the credit industry'?

    Sorry to break it to you, but this is basically Bernie's own fault/problem. He knows his plans look massively expensive to your average tax payer (who expects to be paying for it), so he doesn't want to put a number on it. As that would scare them even more.

    So, even though I think it'd be totally worth it (it's time the US dealt with this, and turns into a proper welfare state. If it has money for the military-industrial complex, it should have money for this), you can't really blame everyone else for putting a number on it then, can you?

    Let's at least try to be honest about this: Bernie's weak point on his policy plans is that they are expensive, but he won't say how expensive. He has been dancing around the costing for years now. Now that's great for the people who'll benefit from those policies (which I would argue would be everyone, but OK), but not so much for those that would have to pay for it all.

    And if that would be the 1%, but that's not what Joe middle class tax payer thinks, now, is it?

    It's the difference (at least on the surface) between Warren and Bernie. At least Warren's policies are costed (more or less).
    His weak point is the insufferable number of people like you who will then poke holes into it and claim how it's entirely unworkable until everyone it's convinced it's not possible to change anything, no matter how actually reasonable.

    As if you have the faintest clue the fuck the average joe thinks, stop pretending.

    Must fellate the system and the finance sector after all, at all costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    As if you have the faintest clue the fuck the average joe thinks, stop pretending.
    He votes for a nationalist protest party in a country which has had a rough transition away from industrial capitalism and thinks that makes him an electoral guru.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    As if you have the faintest clue the fuck the average joe thinks, stop pretending.
    He votes for a nationalist protest party in a country which has had a rough transition away from industrial capitalism and thinks that makes him an electoral guru.
    Yeah, it's not like we can look at recent election results all over the world and see how good far left does in them, and how people believing similar things he does, do. Try getting out of the echo chamber few of you created for yourselves here. Might actually do far left some good.

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    Spain has just formed a government of a leftwing coalition with communists in influential government positions. Everywhere else is basically in the clutches of disaster nationalism as capitalism stagnates and scapegoats minorities. Left wing policies poll stronger than ever, left wing political membership is growing and left wing vote share in fptp countries is way stronger than centre ground parties. Countries with proportional representation are still broadly more left wing than other democracies. What we're seeing is a huge distrust in political establishment candidates and democratic institutions as a whole.

    As for the US, unless Warren manages to place a strong second at Iowa she is in trouble and nothing points towards her suddenly surging. Sanders has a broader and stronger base and polls better against Trump. I honestly don't think enough Americans are that worried about the cost of Bernie's policies, I think his biggest hurdle is a lack of trust in political institutions to make his policies happen.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    The cost of universal healthcare and affordable education is (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions becoming exposed for the leeches that they are. As well as a reshuffle, if not collapse, of the credit industry.

    Of course they are going to shill as hard as they can, they know which side their bread is buttered on.



    That said, if a progressive gets elected, i fully expect the overhaul that gets past congress to be even more inefficient than before due to horse trading.
    So now we're blaming 'the (hundreds of) thousands of administrative overhead positions'? As well as 'the credit industry'?

    Sorry to break it to you, but this is basically Bernie's own fault/problem. He knows his plans look massively expensive to your average tax payer (who expects to be paying for it), so he doesn't want to put a number on it. As that would scare them even more.

    So, even though I think it'd be totally worth it (it's time the US dealt with this, and turns into a proper welfare state. If it has money for the military-industrial complex, it should have money for this), you can't really blame everyone else for putting a number on it then, can you?

    Let's at least try to be honest about this: Bernie's weak point on his policy plans is that they are expensive, but he won't say how expensive. He has been dancing around the costing for years now. Now that's great for the people who'll benefit from those policies (which I would argue would be everyone, but OK), but not so much for those that would have to pay for it all.

    And if that would be the 1%, but that's not what Joe middle class tax payer thinks, now, is it?

    It's the difference (at least on the surface) between Warren and Bernie. At least Warren's policies are costed (more or less).
    But they will happily pay for the bombs we drop on innocent victims around the world.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    As if you have the faintest clue the fuck the average joe thinks, stop pretending.
    He votes for a nationalist protest party in a country which has had a rough transition away from industrial capitalism and thinks that makes him an electoral guru.
    Yeah, it's not like we can look at recent election results all over the world and see how good far left does in them, and how people believing similar things he does, do. Try getting out of the echo chamber few of you created for yourselves here. Might actually do far left some good.
    Surely what we need is to keep cowering and triangulating like many of the nominal Labor and socdem parties have been doing the past 20 years. Rather then change the conversation around "budgets", maybe if we'll just buy into bullshit austerity framing like above, the voters will reward us

    As for the US, red states are passing referendums on raising the min wage, legalization, and Medicaid expansion. Make of that what you will, but I don't think the answer is to shit our pants about the "far left" in this country

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    As if you have the faintest clue the fuck the average joe thinks, stop pretending.
    He votes for a nationalist protest party in a country which has had a rough transition away from industrial capitalism and thinks that makes him an electoral guru.
    Yeah, it's not like we can look at recent election results all over the world and see how good far left does in them, and how people believing similar things he does, do. Try getting out of the echo chamber few of you created for yourselves here. Might actually do far left some good.
    Surely what we need is to keep cowering and triangulating like many of the nominal Labor and socdem parties have been doing the past 20 years. Rather then change the conversation around "budgets", maybe if we'll just buy into bullshit austerity framing like above, the voters will reward us

    As for the US, red states are passing referendums on raising the min wage, legalization, and Medicaid expansion. Make of that what you will, but I don't think the answer is to shit our pants about the "far left" in this country
    Its because even the massive cheating and propaganda they do can't overcome public perception about people literally voting so their neighbors die.
    meh

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