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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
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    Joe is so autistic that he narrowly defines successful CIA coups on some German teachers grade of "Did we accomplish all our objectives today?"

    I'd say that removing a leader who wanted nationalization/land reform/relations with USSR is a pretty successful covert operation, but I guess since it didn't spawn the requisite Mugabe-length dicatorship it cannot be quantified as "successful"
    Well what are the CIA's criteria for success?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Joe is so autistic that he narrowly defines successful CIA coups on some German teachers grade of "Did we accomplish all our objectives today?"

    I'd say that removing a leader who wanted nationalization/land reform/relations with USSR is a pretty successful covert operation, but I guess since it didn't spawn the requisite Mugabe-length dicatorship it cannot be quantified as "successful"
    You fucking Muppet. Chile was most likely the US jumping on something that would have been a success without them.

    And I suggest you read Weiner's history of the CIA to find out how absolutely useless the CIA was at every other coup they tried during the Cold War.

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    The book Legacy of Ashes; The history of CIA has pretty good overview of the Great Successes of CIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
    The book Legacy of Ashes; The history of CIA has pretty good overview of the Great Successes of CIA
    Indeed. I read that and the Mitrokhin archives on the KGB back to back.

    That's where the similarities came to light.

    About the CIA and Chile:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070612...ile/index.html

    The CIA's own admission of not being responsible for the coup against Allende. As I wrote earlier, there are historians who dispute that version of events and claim the CIA was directly involved. But the truth is somewhere in between.

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    The CIA isn't the only weapon of American imperialism.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The CIA isn't the only weapon of American imperialism.
    I'm hearing ukraine dumps over 20% of it's budget into paying off debts to IMF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    The CIA isn't the only weapon of American imperialism.
    I'm hearing ukraine dumps over 20% of it's budget into paying off debts to IMF.
    That tribute should be going to Moscow!
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    The CIA isn't the only weapon of American imperialism.
    I'm hearing ukraine dumps over 20% of it's budget into paying off debts to IMF.
    That tribute should be going to Moscow!
    pretty sure more of the wealth would trickle down that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    The CIA isn't the only weapon of American imperialism.
    I'm hearing ukraine dumps over 20% of it's budget into paying off debts to IMF.
    That tribute should be going to Moscow!
    pretty sure more of the wealth would trickle down that way.
    Lol, visit Poland and Ukraine and compare. Ukraine had higher GDP after dissolution, look where both are now. Wanna guess where one sent their tribute and where did the other?

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    the coup is like totally not a case of foreign intervention behind the scenes, nope!

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    The CIA isn't the only weapon of American imperialism.
    I'm hearing ukraine dumps over 20% of it's budget into paying off debts to IMF.
    That tribute should be going to Moscow!
    pretty sure more of the wealth would trickle down that way.
    Lol, visit Poland and Ukraine and compare. Ukraine had higher GDP after dissolution, look where both are now. Wanna guess where one sent their tribute and where did the other?
    what is "Russian and Ukranian history 1989-2001" Alex ?
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    That's actually... kind of a big deal. Political advertising dollars are fucking huge, and the arms race to provide hyper-targeted political advertising based on protected characteristics is one of the reasons silicon valley should just be allowed to burn to the ground when the forest fires reach it.
    Because Cambridge Analytica was a SV company.
    In every way except location and scale.

    You know, or should know, as well as I do that the shenanigans the social networks themselves get up to make CA look like some lawn signs.
    Well, not in terms of impact or intent. I mean, ultimately, it's really just about advertising dollars, whereas CA were most definitely not.

    It's basically just facebook now, with this.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...th-information

    hurf blurf Silicon Valley does nothing wrong

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    this, is future Erich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    That's actually... kind of a big deal. Political advertising dollars are fucking huge, and the arms race to provide hyper-targeted political advertising based on protected characteristics is one of the reasons silicon valley should just be allowed to burn to the ground when the forest fires reach it.
    Because Cambridge Analytica was a SV company.
    In every way except location and scale.

    You know, or should know, as well as I do that the shenanigans the social networks themselves get up to make CA look like some lawn signs.
    Well, not in terms of impact or intent. I mean, ultimately, it's really just about advertising dollars, whereas CA were most definitely not.

    It's basically just facebook now, with this.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...th-information

    hurf blurf Silicon Valley does nothing wrong
    hurf blurf indeed.

    Colon screening recommendations, anyone?
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    this, is future Erich.

    Now this, is what America is about



    On the vaunted coastline and in a big liberal city

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    this, is future Erich.

    Now this, is what America is about



    On the vaunted coastline and in a big liberal city
    On the best coastline in ALL the big liberal cities...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tform-n1079981
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Congrats CIA for taking over Bolivia just as they started considering nationalising their lithium mines.

    That's very legal and cool.
    The same lithium required for EV batteries? Their fault for putting their country in such a valuable resource...

    Also, aren't the CIA/Deep State busy trying to bring down Trump?
    Phew! That the Cia is watching out for the status quo gives me a quantum of solace. I.E. Fiction is based on reality and vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    this, is future Erich.

    Now this, is what America is about



    On the vaunted coastline and in a big liberal city
    On the best coastline in ALL the big liberal cities...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tform-n1079981
    To be fair, cops and authorities in almost every part of the world are like this. Law and ohda!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebomby View Post
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    this, is future Erich.

    Now this, is what America is about



    On the vaunted coastline and in a big liberal city
    On the best coastline in ALL the big liberal cities...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tform-n1079981
    To be fair, cops and authorities in almost every part of the world are like this. Law and ohda!
    This is one of the dumbest opinions anyone could have wrt the US justice system

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    Well, I did say "to be fair" about this one specific instance of authorities and cops being anal about some minor code. You should come to Switzerland for many such delicacies.

    In regard to US cops and their quaintly trigger happy and often bafflingly retarded ways in general, then no, the US really is in a league of its own there.
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    Meanwhile, over in the whitehouse...

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...-leaked-emails

    In the run-up to the 2016 election, White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller promoted white nationalist literature, pushed racist immigration stories and obsessed over the loss of Confederate symbols after Dylann Roof’s murderous rampage, according to leaked emails reviewed by Hatewatch.
    meh

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