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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    A good example of how conspiracy theories take hold is the death of Jeffery Epstein. People were joking openly that he was going to be suicided and then lo and behold he committed suicide in circumstances so outlandish that it was almost as though it was a deliberate attempt to make it appear to be murder. To the point that a rough majority of Americans (if you can believe any poll - another issue plaguing society) believe that he was murdered (or whisked away and another body substituted in his place).

    All QAnon does is take weird stuff like this, embellish the crap out of it, and then weave together with a lot of other conspiracy theories into some bizarre all-encompassing alternate reality.
    yea, im still not convinced that was a actually a suicide.

    more like assisted suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    A good example of how conspiracy theories take hold is the death of Jeffery Epstein. People were joking openly that he was going to be suicided and then lo and behold he committed suicide in circumstances so outlandish that it was almost as though it was a deliberate attempt to make it appear to be murder. To the point that a rough majority of Americans (if you can believe any poll - another issue plaguing society) believe that he was murdered (or whisked away and another body substituted in his place).

    All QAnon does is take weird stuff like this, embellish the crap out of it, and then weave together with a lot of other conspiracy theories into some bizarre all-encompassing alternate reality.
    yea, im still not convinced that was a actually a suicide.

    more like assisted suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
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    A good example of how conspiracy theories take hold is the death of Jeffery Epstein. People were joking openly that he was going to be suicided and then lo and behold he committed suicide in circumstances so outlandish that it was almost as though it was a deliberate attempt to make it appear to be murder. To the point that a rough majority of Americans (if you can believe any poll - another issue plaguing society) believe that he was murdered (or whisked away and another body substituted in his place).

    All QAnon does is take weird stuff like this, embellish the crap out of it, and then weave together with a lot of other conspiracy theories into some bizarre all-encompassing alternate reality.
    yea, im still not convinced that was a actually a suicide.

    more like assisted suicide.
    we're talking about organisations that do the "assisted suicide" thing on the regular abroad and have, among other things, conducted mass kidnappings for mind control experiments.

    offing a dude in a jail-cell is well within the scope of possibility.
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    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Offing a dude in jail who ran a dodgy as fuck hedge fund and likely had black mail material on lots of well connected people who visited his nonce island is the most boring conspiracy ever. That alone makes it incredibly likely to be closer to the truth than Epstein offed himself.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.


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    This is the best clip the last 4 years have produced.

    Rudy doing his best Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf impression.

    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.
    convince me otherwise Alistair, look at the details of the case, look at who Epstein was involved with and look at the history of the agencies in question.
    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    We had a similiar case here in Poland. There was a human sex trafficker gang setup in the mid 90s. Supposedly they were "serving" politicians from every mainstream party since the 90s. A year ago or so they were busted (because before that they were protected by one of the goverment agencies) and one of the key witnesses "committed" suicide in his cell short after the charges were brought up (and other witnesses started turning up dead in uncertain circumstances). Gang leaders got hilariously low sentences, even though they trafficked thousands of women, including minors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Offing a dude in jail who ran a dodgy as fuck hedge fund and likely had black mail material on lots of well connected people who visited his nonce island is the most boring conspiracy ever. That alone makes it incredibly likely to be closer to the truth than Epstein offed himself.
    Shame it wasn't anything inventive as suicide suffocating naked in a bag locked from the outside in ones bathtub, without leaving any fingerprints on the bag, lock or bathroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post




    Just like the antiwar, free speech, anti evangelical left crumbled into nothing under Obama, so too will the current zeitgeist under Biden.

    We're going back to normal.
    What the fuck do you want?
    Trump's populism, machismo and calling everyone left oh him evil socialist gave him best fraction of Latino and African American vote a Republican got in ages. White suburbanites delivered election to Biden, the ones who abandoned Hillary in 2016 and voted for Trump. Do you think they would have voted for Warren or Bernie?

    You can see GOP throwing Trump under the bus in real time. If Biden was "off with their heads" do you think they would be doing the same, or would they circle the wagons and prepare a supreme court backed coup (if you disqualify all mail in ballots as fraudulent Trump wins with overwhelming majority). Trump while losing the popular vote still got a insane amount of support, among those 70 million you just need couple thousand "2nd Amendment practitioners" to start a Goddamn civil war.

    Yes the neoliberals won, and yes they are reason we got Trump and Brexit in the first place. Are you really that much of a desperate accelerationist you would prefer 4 more years of Trump?

    There was no Blue Wave... Dems lost seats compared to 2018, Senate is still Republican. There is no "overwhelming mandate of the people" for Biden to go real left, nor did he ever campaign on such a platform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto von Bismarck
    Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best
    Pee Fucking Es.

    If you want to challenge DNC don't run ineffectual third party (hi there Greens) candidates for president who can never ever win but can steal enough votes from Democrats that Trump or other Trumps win again. Gather couple hundred million from rich donors and organize a astroturf bullshit like the Tea Party was and primary Dem congress critters in areas where Left Tea Party can win or at least steal enough votes for the main Democrat candidates to lose. Than they will listen to you. Oh I'm sorry what are you saying "unlike Tea Party, radical left wing activists cannot gather untold hundreds of millions of dollars of donor money to subvert the DNC, actually poor little commies can't get a single cent from financial elite"? How surprising. Well I'm so fucking sorry, life sometimes isn't fair.

    Your (Murcian) two party system is as broken as any two party system can be, but you will not fix it by granting victories to the greater enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
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    Holy shit.
    This is real and happened... I thought it was a joke.
    Perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.
    convince me otherwise Alistair, look at the details of the case, look at who Epstein was involved with and look at the history of the agencies in question.
    Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the one making allegations of a massive criminal conspiracy by government agencies and the global elite, including some of our most powerful politicians?
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.
    convince me otherwise Alistair, look at the details of the case, look at who Epstein was involved with and look at the history of the agencies in question.
    Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the one making allegations of a massive criminal conspiracy by government agencies and the global elite, including some of our most powerful politicians?
    it's not actually massive.
    the argument made is simply that he was murdered in his cell by strangulation, while the guards where conveniently sleeping and all the relevant cameras where mysteriously not working, or producing footage that turned out to be unviewable or removed by some "clerical error". something that could be done by 1-2 people and a bit of convenient sabotage, indeed your three-letter-alphabet gang has people who do this shit for a living on the payroll, it's just called "Targeted Killing" these days.

    and that's before we get into the other "interesting" problems, such as the choice of sheets over PAP hose and so forth 60 minutes poked around in, you know, the unusual pattern of bone-breakage, evidence of recent man-handling, eye hemorrhages and so forth.
    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.
    convince me otherwise Alistair, look at the details of the case, look at who Epstein was involved with and look at the history of the agencies in question.
    Why would I waste my time trying to do that?

    If you have proof, you should take that to the authorities.

    If you don't have proof.....well, enjoy being a thoery-crafting QANON, I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post




    Just like the antiwar, free speech, anti evangelical left crumbled into nothing under Obama, so too will the current zeitgeist under Biden.

    We're going back to normal.
    What the fuck do you want?
    Trump's populism, machismo and calling everyone left oh him evil socialist gave him best fraction of Latino and African American vote a Republican got in ages. White suburbanites delivered election to Biden, the ones who abandoned Hillary in 2016 and voted for Trump.
    I genuinely think that being the party of white collar professionals is actually more of a poison pill for the Democrats than just their neolib politics. The fate of Labour bears this out in my book. While Corbyn had the chance to run two general elections campaigns with an ambitious alternative, he failed both times because he couldn't stop the non-college exodus from his party.

    The WWC alignment with the GOP was only the beginning. Now we're seeing a movement of latinos and blacks to the Republicans, and it will eventually all split along the lines of educational attainment, everywhere. Chickens coming home to roost after 30 years of declining manufacturing and stifled infrastructure investment.

    Bernie and Corbyn couldn't quite articulate this resentment and act on it. Saying "you won't need college to live a good life" is arguably a better and broader message than "we'll make it free"


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    Ugh, donít draw those equivalences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.
    convince me otherwise Alistair, look at the details of the case, look at who Epstein was involved with and look at the history of the agencies in question.
    Why would I waste my time trying to do that?

    If you have proof, you should take that to the authorities.

    If you don't have proof.....well, enjoy being a thoery-crafting QANON, I guess.
    "Why don't you just work within the system that killed him?"
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.
    convince me otherwise Alistair, look at the details of the case, look at who Epstein was involved with and look at the history of the agencies in question.
    Why would I waste my time trying to do that?

    If you have proof, you should take that to the authorities.

    If you don't have proof.....well, enjoy being a thoery-crafting QANON, I guess.
    "Why don't you just work within the system that killed him?"
    Just like with Trump and election fraud, the burden of proof is on Trump, not on me to disprove it.

    Just like with Marlona and the Mexican Illegal Voter Conspiracy, the burden of proof is on Marlona, not on me to disprove it.

    And now, for Liare and yourself on Epstein, the burden of proof is for you to prove it, not on me to disprove it.

    Something being possible isn't proof.

    Something being plausible isn't proof.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Folks unironically being Trumpist-copying QANON Types. Good times.
    convince me otherwise Alistair, look at the details of the case, look at who Epstein was involved with and look at the history of the agencies in question.
    Why would I waste my time trying to do that?

    If you have proof, you should take that to the authorities.

    If you don't have proof.....well, enjoy being a thoery-crafting QANON, I guess.
    "Why don't you just work within the system that killed him?"
    clerical accidents that somehow manage to erase what little video evidence there apparently was from a very high profile "suicide" totally happens every day, right ?
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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