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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    I am 100% convinced the internal narratives of the democratic party are entirely dominated by Russian-manufactured controversy that aims in particular to radicalise American leftish youth to the point they just completely disengage with the political process, or vote for someone so absurd they destroy the country with their incompetence. Not even a little bit kidding.
    considering that post is what i replied to, why ask such a inanely dumb question in the first place ? do you perhaps believe in horseshoe theory ?
    you think bernie bros are modern leftism? lol. i'm saying a bunch of industrious russians are in the business of radicalising groups who are already leftish, not that their leftishism is itself a conspiracy.
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    I don't think they even radicalise them tbh, they just amplify existing anti-establishment rhetoric and let the media industry do the rest with their hunger for controversy
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    if the rhetoric is that russians are responsible for usa being a corpo-fascist dystopia then ww3 isn't as far as i thought

    then again you could say it's the jews at wall st. :thonk:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    He might be exaggerating but he's not entirely wrong
    How much do you think they affect thinking on the right as well?
    It's thoroughly documented that they've been a significant factor, why do you ask?
    Illustrative narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    if the rhetoric is that russians are responsible for usa being a corpo-fascist dystopia then ww3 isn't as far as i thought

    then again you could say it's the jews at wall st. :thonk:
    Except one of these is something that we have evidence for, and is a stated aim of the russian state, and the other is just you being a racist shitbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    if the rhetoric is that russians are responsible for usa being a corpo-fascist dystopia then ww3 isn't as far as i thought

    then again you could say it's the jews at wall st. :thonk:
    Except one of these is something that we have evidence for, and is a stated aim of the russian state, and the other is just you being a racist shitbag.
    But which one is which?

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    You really have to be a complete moron to dismiss the generational divide within the Democratic party as Russian agitprop

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    Guess I wasn't aware that this was Russian-manufactured controversy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    You really have to be a complete moron to dismiss the generational divide within the Democratic party as Russian agitprop
    Sure, it's not all their fault, but they are absolutely trying to make the divide into a chasm to weaken the party. A few of Reddit's most rabidly pro-Bernie communities are/were believed to be as influenced by foreign propaganda as the most insane pro-Trump ones. No surprise that while the more sane communities were saying "Well, shit, guess we gotta vote for Biden," the rabid ones were screaming about the DNC and voting for Trump out of spite.
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    Totally inconceivable that anyone might not want to vote for Biden, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Totally inconceivable that anyone might not want to vote for Biden, right?
    Way to miss the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aea View Post
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    Totally inconceivable that anyone might not want to vote for Biden, right?
    Way to miss the point.
    I was mostly just trying to come up with some low-effort bullshit to test whether the server was responding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steckersaurus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    You really have to be a complete moron to dismiss the generational divide within the Democratic party as Russian agitprop
    Sure, it's not all their fault, but they are absolutely trying to make the divide into a chasm to weaken the party. A few of Reddit's most rabidly pro-Bernie communities are/were believed to be as influenced by foreign propaganda as the most insane pro-Trump ones. No surprise that while the more sane communities were saying "Well, shit, guess we gotta vote for Biden," the rabid ones were screaming about the DNC and voting for Trump out of spite.
    considering that republicans versus democrats is a choice without a difference on a enormous swathe of policy issues trying to shift the democrats left or cause the party to self-destruct to be able to build a alternative in the void left behind strikes me as the sort of thing that is fairly reasonable to do.

    incidentally, the actual upvoted posts at places like r/ChapoTrapHouse is not "vote Trump!" it's "don't vote Biden" and that place has so much edge it's perpetually in danger of bleeding out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    considering that republicans versus democrats is a choice without a difference
    the absolute state of this man, get a fucking grip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    Totally inconceivable that anyone might not want to vote for Biden, right?
    Way to miss the point.
    I was mostly just trying to come up with some low-effort bullshit to test whether the server was responding.
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    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    cause the party to self-destruct to be able to build a alternative in the void left behind strikes me as the sort of thing that is fairly reasonable to do.
    Sure, if you're one of the people for whom a decade of unopposed republican rule doesn't pose a threat to your life and safety.

    At that point, you're working on timescales where you're better off waiting for the demographics to shift enough to kill the republican party first, then try to fix the left. Do it while the republicans are as powerful as they are right now and you just ensure 1-party rule for a generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
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    considering that republicans versus democrats is a choice without a difference
    the absolute state of this man, get a fucking grip
    tell me more about how these two disagree on foreign intervention or indeed any activity required to maintain the empire abroad, interventionism in the economy such as say, in the wake of a major recession the difference is largely what corporate pig gets the prime spot at the trough. there is of course a notable difference between stated and acted upon policies to consider as well.

    a perception not helped by Biden's historical record, though to be fair it's less of a race between him and Trump, and more of a race between his VP and Trump by the looks of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    considering that republicans versus democrats is a choice without a difference

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    Liare is the real reason why the DNC gave up all hope on "progressives"

    Why pander to those of whom you can never be pure enough and at the slightest provocation, eat their own?

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    Ah, it's the people who are wrong.

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