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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    The parties arnt really all that different
    One functions as a political party with an agenda, the other flails around as an extension of the media and functions as a lifestyle grift for people who think politics needs to be run by consultants.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    The parties arnt really all that different
    Sure. One tried to give everyone heathcare while making their friends more money. The other one want to give gays electro shock therapy.

    Completely the same.

    Both sides are exactly the same.
    meh

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    Its far right or regular right. I mean you had the democrat candidate arguing against the efficacy of universal heathcare during a pandemic, not that different at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    Its far right or regular right. I mean you had the democrat candidate arguing against the efficacy of universal heathcare during a pandemic, not that different at all
    I’m going to put that down to more of a general average IQ thing than some nefarious plot, tbh.
    meh

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    Re approval ratings.
    Justin Penn, a Pittsburgh voter who calls himself politically independent, favored*Joseph R. Biden Jr.*in a matchup with President Trump until recently. But the president’s performance during the coronavirus outbreak has Mr. Penn reconsidering.

    “I think he’s handled it pretty well,” he said of the president, whose daily White House appearances Mr. Penn catches on Facebook after returning from his job as a bank security guard. “I think he’s tried to keep people calm,” he said. “I know some people don’t think he’s taking it seriously, but I think he’s doing the best with the information he had.”

    Although Mr. Penn, 40, said he did not vote for Mr. Trump, his opinion of the president has improved recently and he very well might back him for a second term.
    Who Are the Voters Behind Trump’s Higher Approval Rating? https://nyti.ms/2WVRzuC

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    The parties arnt really all that different
    Sure. One tried to give everyone heathcare while making their friends more money. The other one want to give gays electro shock therapy.

    Completely the same.

    Both sides are exactly the same.
    Democrats believe in giving everyone the "choice" of healthcare at an Affordable™ price point, but only as long as you fill out the correct forms and wait for the enrollment period to buy your new plan.

    This approach was already terrible at the best of times, but now it's falling apart with million plus weekly unemployment claims in the middle of a pandemic.

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    It turns out your employee health insurance scheme isn't much good when a pandemic leads to your employer sacking you.

    Wasn't work based health insurance somehow a counter argument to Bernard's universal healthcare proposals?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    It turns out your employee health insurance scheme isn't much good when a pandemic leads to your employer sacking you.

    Wasn't work based health insurance somehow a counter argument to Bernard's universal healthcare proposals?
    Yes the argument was that people really liked their employer based plans, and don't want to be kicked off them for the inferior government program.

    The media never seriously interrogated this logic, because by definition people are kicked off their plans all the time when they get fired. Now we have mass-layoffs in a pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Yeah, Massie is a piece of shit

    It's just, why did the stimulus bill pass unanimously in the senate when it's so transparently solidifying corporate power for another generation? (Oh, and expanding the surveillance state!)

    Where was Sanders? Bending the knee i guess.

    And what about Warren? I thought she was supposed to be some kind of avenging angel against banks and stuff after 2008? Guess not!

    Oh and AOC? She's been bought out and now won't support anyone who tries to primary incumbents like she did.

    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    At this point I think its anti american to not put the needs of the market above the needs of people
    Sure looks that way. Murica donezo.
    Sanders, the only guy who managed to get anything through for regular people in that shitshow of a bill?

    And you choose him to shit on here of all people?

    Can you be any more of an absolute Facebook tier drooling Muppet when it comes to politics?
    Last edited by Isyel; April 1 2020 at 03:58:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    EMPLOYMENT GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP
    It's money, comrade.

    MONEY GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    The parties arnt really all that different
    Sure. One tried to give everyone heathcare while making their friends more money. The other one want to give gays electro shock therapy.

    Completely the same.

    Both sides are exactly the same.
    Democrats believe in giving everyone the "choice" of healthcare at an Affordable™ price point, but only as long as you fill out the correct forms and wait for the enrollment period to buy your new plan.

    This approach was already terrible at the best of times, but now it's falling apart with million plus weekly unemployment claims in the middle of a pandemic.
    Yes, but you can't argue "lolhealthcare, no, fuck you" is anywhere near the same.
    meh

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    Its vile but at least its honest

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    Maybe if you watch Fox News.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    The parties arnt really all that different
    Sure. One tried to give everyone heathcare while making their friends more money. The other one want to give gays electro shock therapy.

    Completely the same.

    Both sides are exactly the same.
    Democrats believe in giving everyone the "choice" of healthcare at an Affordable™ price point, but only as long as you fill out the correct forms and wait for the enrollment period to buy your new plan.

    This approach was already terrible at the best of times, but now it's falling apart with million plus weekly unemployment claims in the middle of a pandemic.
    Yes, but you can't argue "lolhealthcare, no, fuck you" is anywhere near the same.
    The differences are more aesthetic at this point. Democrats simply use more rhetoric and process to hide their contempt for the masses who want healthcare. Cuomo of NY state is actually trying to ram through Medicaid cuts right fucking now

    The Republicans want to make a cruel system 10% more cruel by fucking with the insurance markets or Medicaid eligibility, while liberals *maybe* want to make it 5% less cruel by reforming the markets and expanding the Medicaid rolls. But even that is no guarantee, because they will cede ground to Republicans all the time, so the progress you end up with is a big fat zero.

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    no, you end up with a -5% to a -15% because they're busy bending over backwards to "compromise".
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    The parties arnt really all that different
    Sure. One tried to give everyone heathcare while making their friends more money. The other one want to give gays electro shock therapy.

    Completely the same.

    Both sides are exactly the same.
    Democrats believe in giving everyone the "choice" of healthcare at an Affordable™ price point, but only as long as you fill out the correct forms and wait for the enrollment period to buy your new plan.

    This approach was already terrible at the best of times, but now it's falling apart with million plus weekly unemployment claims in the middle of a pandemic.
    Yes, but you can't argue "lolhealthcare, no, fuck you" is anywhere near the same.
    The differences are more aesthetic at this point. Democrats simply use more rhetoric and process to hide their contempt for the masses who want healthcare. Cuomo of NY state is actually trying to ram through Medicaid cuts right fucking now

    The Republicans want to make a cruel system 10% more cruel by fucking with the insurance markets or Medicaid eligibility, while liberals *maybe* want to make it 5% less cruel by reforming the markets and expanding the Medicaid rolls. But even that is no guarantee, because they will cede ground to Republicans all the time, so the progress you end up with is a big fat zero.
    You say that, but the actual stats on people who became covered by health insurance would disagree. Also, as someone who’d significant other had a nice pre-existing before Obamacare, let’s just say you didn’t only have to have a job before, you had to have a job with a stronk enough group policy for that not to be a thing, meaning, a big corporate, so, no, my perspective is different.

    There is simply zero way I wouldn’t have been a wage slave the rest of my life for that reason under the old system.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
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    Yeah, Massie is a piece of shit

    It's just, why did the stimulus bill pass unanimously in the senate when it's so transparently solidifying corporate power for another generation? (Oh, and expanding the surveillance state!)

    Where was Sanders? Bending the knee i guess.

    And what about Warren? I thought she was supposed to be some kind of avenging angel against banks and stuff after 2008? Guess not!

    Oh and AOC? She's been bought out and now won't support anyone who tries to primary incumbents like she did.

    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    At this point I think its anti american to not put the needs of the market above the needs of people
    Sure looks that way. Murica donezo.
    Sanders, the only guy who managed to get anything through for regular people in that shitshow of a bill?

    And you choose him to shit on here of all people?

    Can you be any more of an absolute Facebook tier drooling Muppet when it comes to politics?
    Oh ok so because Sanders got them to throw a bone to workers it's ok that the US got sold up the river.

    Where was the filibuster from Sanders and Warren to stop this bill that is literally plundering the US economy, entrenches mass surveillance, and cements corporate power even more?

    Complete and utter lack of leadership from anyone in the DNC. IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

    And they're getting ready to do another one now. "Phase 4 Coronavirus Infrastructure Spending To Start At $2 Trillion" Can't wait to see how much embezzlement this one has!
    Last edited by Approaching Walrus; April 1 2020 at 04:53:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The actual answer is that the Democratic party don't have enough political capital to create a bailout bill which does more than throw some crumbs under the table to the labouring classes. This is mostly because the Democrats are addicted to being losers but dress it up as 'compromise'.
    It's also that they don't hold the senate or the presidency, so their ability is limited.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    The parties arnt really all that different
    Sure. One tried to give everyone heathcare while making their friends more money. The other one want to give gays electro shock therapy.

    Completely the same.

    Both sides are exactly the same.
    Democrats believe in giving everyone the "choice" of healthcare at an Affordable™ price point, but only as long as you fill out the correct forms and wait for the enrollment period to buy your new plan.

    This approach was already terrible at the best of times, but now it's falling apart with million plus weekly unemployment claims in the middle of a pandemic.
    Yes, but you can't argue "lolhealthcare, no, fuck you" is anywhere near the same.
    The differences are more aesthetic at this point. Democrats simply use more rhetoric and process to hide their contempt for the masses who want healthcare. Cuomo of NY state is actually trying to ram through Medicaid cuts right fucking now

    The Republicans want to make a cruel system 10% more cruel by fucking with the insurance markets or Medicaid eligibility, while liberals *maybe* want to make it 5% less cruel by reforming the markets and expanding the Medicaid rolls. But even that is no guarantee, because they will cede ground to Republicans all the time, so the progress you end up with is a big fat zero.
    You say that, but the actual stats on people who became covered by health insurance would disagree. Also, as someone who’d significant other had a nice pre-existing before Obamacare, let’s just say you didn’t only have to have a job before, you had to have a job with a stronk enough group policy for that not to be a thing, meaning, a big corporate, so, no, my perspective is different.

    There is simply zero way I wouldn’t have been a wage slave the rest of my life for that reason under the old system.
    Yeah man I just don't fucking care about nuance or any "on the other hand, in this situation..." when it comes to healthcare.

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