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    It is a rookie mistake if you want to avoid a military coup backed by America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The very same lithium, they were drawing up plans to deal with international markets directly as sellers instead of through western corporate entities.

    The CIA/deep state are everywhere at everytime. Lizard men don't need sleep.
    During the Cold War the KGB suspected the CIA to be behind everything that happened that wasn't according to their plans.
    At the same time the CIA suspected the KGB to be behind everything that didn't go according to their plans.

    Yet when you look at each other's missions during that time, usually neither side was involved in the eventual outcome, if at all. At best they jumped onto things way too late.

    The actual success stories were rare for both sides.

    This became super obvious to me when I read histories of each service back to back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    It is a rookie mistake if you want to avoid a military coup backed by America.
    betting on the whole thing getting fumbled as badly as Venezuela was and just passing by entirely doesn't strike me as unreasonable considering the sitting administration.

    but on the other hand, never bet on hellworld, it's invariably going to make you lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The very same lithium, they were drawing up plans to deal with international markets directly as sellers instead of through western corporate entities.

    The CIA/deep state are everywhere at everytime. Lizard men don't need sleep.
    During the Cold War the KGB suspected the CIA to be behind everything that happened that wasn't according to their plans.
    At the same time the CIA suspected the KGB to be behind everything that didn't go according to their plans.

    Yet when you look at each other's missions during that time, usually neither side was involved in the eventual outcome, if at all. At best they jumped onto things way too late.

    The actual success stories were rare for both sides.

    This became super obvious to me when I read histories of each service back to back.

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    This has pretty much been my conclusion about most "Grand Conspiracies" just simply observing how N(N-1)/2 applies in rl.
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    It's funny though how paranoid both services ended up being about each other. Literally everything was the other side, down to the weather.

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    No offence Joe but are you saying USA wasn't implicated in most southern and central murican shenangians for the last century?

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    Gary Webb definitely shot himself twice in the head and Jeffery Epstein hanged himself with paper towels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    It's funny though how paranoid both services ended up being about each other. Literally everything was the other side, down to the weather.

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    wonder how much was different departments within the same agencies accidentally screwing each other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    It's funny though how paranoid both services ended up being about each other. Literally everything was the other side, down to the weather.

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    Also a great way to get increased funding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    It's funny though how paranoid both services ended up being about each other. Literally everything was the other side, down to the weather.

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    Also a great way to get increased funding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    No offence Joe but are you saying USA wasn't implicated in most southern and central murican shenangians for the last century?
    No, I'm saying they were far less successful than they would have wanted to be.

    For the US, I can only think of two successful covert operations that mostly worked out how the CIA wanted it: Iran and Chile. Iran didn't last and Chile was apparently something stumbled into.

    I mean if the CIA had been competent, Allende would have never been elected. They poured some seven million dollars into the election campaign of Allende's in 1970.

    What is interesting is that CIA reports and historians don't agree whether the CIA actively supported the coup or was just complicit by keeping close ties with the Chilean military. There's even a recording between Reagan and Kissinger with Kissinger complaining about the US not getting any recognition for toppling a Communist government in Chile and Reagan going that this wasn't the US job.
    In 1970 during Allende's election campaign the US did actively seek military personnel to topple the Chilean government as well as run a massive smear campaign against Allende (the aforementioned seven million were for that campaign). This the US does acknowledge.

    The truth is probably somewhere in between. Some CIA people while keeping close ties to the Chilean military probably thought to support the coup in order to make up for their failure in 1970. They did so with no support at first. As soon as the coup gained traction and was not very likely to fail, the US jumped on it. Because not doing so would have been massively stupid.

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    Oh and the CIA told the West German intelligence service a few days before the coup. They didn't inform the West German government but a mole informed the East German Stasi, which in turn tried to warn Allende. The message didn't arrive in time but eventually they extracted a bunch of persecuted left politicians.


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    Joe is so autistic that he narrowly defines successful CIA coups on some German teachers grade of "Did we accomplish all our objectives today?"

    I'd say that removing a leader who wanted nationalization/land reform/relations with USSR is a pretty successful covert operation, but I guess since it didn't spawn the requisite Mugabe-length dicatorship it cannot be quantified as "successful"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Joe is so autistic that he narrowly defines successful CIA coups on some German teachers grade of "Did we accomplish all our objectives today?"

    I'd say that removing a leader who wanted nationalization/land reform/relations with USSR is a pretty successful covert operation, but I guess since it didn't spawn the requisite Mugabe-length dicatorship it cannot be quantified as "successful"
    Well what are the CIA's criteria for success?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Joe is so autistic that he narrowly defines successful CIA coups on some German teachers grade of "Did we accomplish all our objectives today?"

    I'd say that removing a leader who wanted nationalization/land reform/relations with USSR is a pretty successful covert operation, but I guess since it didn't spawn the requisite Mugabe-length dicatorship it cannot be quantified as "successful"
    Well what are the CIA's criteria for success?
    How many people actually blame Mossad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Joe is so autistic that he narrowly defines successful CIA coups on some German teachers grade of "Did we accomplish all our objectives today?"

    I'd say that removing a leader who wanted nationalization/land reform/relations with USSR is a pretty successful covert operation, but I guess since it didn't spawn the requisite Mugabe-length dicatorship it cannot be quantified as "successful"
    Well what are the CIA's criteria for success?
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    maybe they should put some fucking shirts on then and get back to work, those bananas wont grow themselves, vamos campesinos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Congrats CIA for taking over Bolivia just as they started considering nationalising their lithium mines.

    That's very legal and cool.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    maybe they should put some fucking shirts on then and get back to work, those bananas wont grow themselves, vamos campesinos!
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