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    What's your fucking point anyway Barth?

    That we've all got iphones and netflix now (praise be to silicon valley) so shouldn't be complaining about the state of the world and how we are governed?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    What's your fucking point anyway Barth?

    That we've all got iphones and netflix now (praise be to silicon valley) so shouldn't be complaining about the state of the world and how we are governed?
    "The emir of dubai didn't even have internet" is a valid point in their worldview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    What's your fucking point anyway Barth?

    That we've all got iphones and netflix now (praise be to silicon valley) so shouldn't be complaining about the state of the world and how we are governed?
    MI8m8

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    Imagine getting triggered by a failson with a progressive critique of why your world view is overly simplistic and demonstrably incorrect.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    I’m not sure why anyone blocks anyone on here tbh.

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    Weak constitution and sub-optimal skull geometry
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Whenever I want to block Isyel I just close the browser tab. Way less effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Weak constitution and sub-optimal skull geometry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Weak constitution and sub-optimal skull geometry

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    Thanks, yes having the government be the healthcare providers themselves is a big difference that wouldn't currently fly in America, I didn't know Finland did that. As to whether Bernie supports such a thing, he might for all we know, but since that's a proposal doomed to failure we're not gonna find out.

    So Barth, let me see if I understand the third myth in the book correctly. Is the claim that WWII created an intensively high level of demand with production capabilities limited to a few countries, namely the victors of WWII, principally UK and the USA, and this was what created the 'golden age' of the 1950s? The book is specific to the UK isn't it, so I guess it doesn't discuss the changes in the US tax system, the interstate highway bill, the GI bill, etc. Obviously, in the US we had a much higher top tax rate, I don't know the history of the UK's, so I'm limited in my ability to question. But does the claim boil down to, those things didn't really matter, it was the demand created by the war?

    Do you feel the book adequately explains the wage stagnation and rising income inequality observed in the 1970s and on, the neoliberal age?

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    I’m pretty sure he doesn’t. As far as I know he hasn’t called for nationalizing anything, at least not in recent years (I think back in his Mayor days he may have discussed such things).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Isn't there a large amount of truth in this: "The Golden Era is a story based on a ‘spirit of socialism’ in the 1950s or before that, which has supposedly been destroyed by a ‘neoliberal’ modern world"? OK maybe not socialism per se but certainly high taxes and high government investment that was slowly eroded away by, yes, the neoliberal modern world.
    It is absolutely true, as long as we're using the term "neoliberal" correctly. "Neoliberalism is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, austerity, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society." These things definitionally erode social programs.
    Yes, but just look at that definition. It makes no economic, or political sense, at all, to lump all these things together. None.

    I thank you for at least trying to have a debate based on clear definitions. But surely you can see that free trade, or globalisation, have no bearing whatsoever on things like economic liberalisation, or deregulation, or, surely, austerity. Or are you saying that you can't have free trade without austerity, no globalisation is possible without privatisation?

    No it makes sense if you aren't acting in bad faith. The layoffs and restructuring from globalization wouldn't have been so rough if policies like austerity and deregulation had not also been pursued.

    Instead people were told to get over their layoffs with limited resources in a community that was falling apart. With things like the bankruptcy bill, people could no longer discharge their debts from predatory lenders who had been deregulated to the nth degree. You were told to acquire new skills in a uni whose costs had ballooned since you were young, thanks to persistent cuts to state education budgets and subsidies. All of these things add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Whenever I want to block Isyel I just close the browser tab. Way less effort.
    So I make you post less?

    Great success, the world is a bit better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Isn't there a large amount of truth in this: "The Golden Era is a story based on a ‘spirit of socialism’ in the 1950s or before that, which has supposedly been destroyed by a ‘neoliberal’ modern world"? OK maybe not socialism per se but certainly high taxes and high government investment that was slowly eroded away by, yes, the neoliberal modern world.
    It is absolutely true, as long as we're using the term "neoliberal" correctly. "Neoliberalism is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, austerity, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society." These things definitionally erode social programs.
    Yes, but just look at that definition. It makes no economic, or political sense, at all, to lump all these things together. None.

    I thank you for at least trying to have a debate based on clear definitions. But surely you can see that free trade, or globalisation, have no bearing whatsoever on things like economic liberalisation, or deregulation, or, surely, austerity. Or are you saying that you can't have free trade without austerity, no globalisation is possible without privatisation?

    No it makes sense if you aren't acting in bad faith. The layoffs and restructuring from globalization wouldn't have been so rough if policies like austerity and deregulation had not also been pursued.

    Instead people were told to get over their layoffs with limited resources in a community that was falling apart. With things like the bankruptcy bill, people could no longer discharge their debts from predatory lenders who had been deregulated to the nth degree. You were told to acquire new skills in a uni whose costs had ballooned since you were young, thanks to persistent cuts to state education budgets and subsidies. All of these things add up.
    Why do you hate freedom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Only the freshest me-mes will grab the attention of the hip young cat crowd and their votes.

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    One day (soon), deep learning will make it all work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    I'm p. sure that the promotion wasn't the Fyre Festivals problem though.

    One might even say that they were too good at hyping it.
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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    walrus isnt a bad poster.
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    I mean, everyone has heard of it. And it wasn't even a real festival! Who better to hire?

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