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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
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    Just read this piece, crazies are invading US politics. It's insane we are back to the middle age and i wouldn't be surprised when someone soon is shouting "burn the witch" again.
    In a Thursday speech to a right-wing “patriot” group in nearby Charlotte, Karamo argued that Christianity belonged at the core of American politics, called evolution “one of the biggest frauds ever perpetuated on society,” and asserted the existence of demons.

    “When we start talking about the spiritual reality of the demonic forces, it’s like, ‘Oh, my God, this is crazy, we can’t go there,’” Karamo said. “No. It’s like, did you read the Bible? Didn’t Jesus perform exorcisms? … Scriptures are clear. And so if we’re not operating as though the spirit realities of the world exist, we’re going to fail every time.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-karamo-trump/
    They've always been in US politics, this invasion began in the 1970's and likely hit it's high water mark with W. Bush, but as their numbers decline the spirit of the faithful grows ever more strident. Things are only going to get crazier.
    And there's really nothing you can do about it. As Neil deGrasse Tyson aptly put it:

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    You can’t use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn’t use reason to get into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    Just read this piece, crazies are invading US politics. It's insane we are back to the middle age and i wouldn't be surprised when someone soon is shouting "burn the witch" again.
    In a Thursday speech to a right-wing “patriot” group in nearby Charlotte, Karamo argued that Christianity belonged at the core of American politics, called evolution “one of the biggest frauds ever perpetuated on society,” and asserted the existence of demons.

    “When we start talking about the spiritual reality of the demonic forces, it’s like, ‘Oh, my God, this is crazy, we can’t go there,’” Karamo said. “No. It’s like, did you read the Bible? Didn’t Jesus perform exorcisms? … Scriptures are clear. And so if we’re not operating as though the spirit realities of the world exist, we’re going to fail every time.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-karamo-trump/
    They've always been in US politics, this invasion began in the 1970's and likely hit it's high water mark with W. Bush, but as their numbers decline the spirit of the faithful grows ever more strident. Things are only going to get crazier.
    And there's really nothing you can do about it. As Neil deGrasse Tyson aptly put it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil deGrasse Tyson
    You can’t use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn’t use reason to get into.
    Sums up the state of the country pretty accurately.

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    https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/02/...p-bill-passes/

    A Florida Republican introduced a bill that would make it easier for religious people to sue those who call them out as homophobic or transphobic, a bill built on a suggestion from Gov. Ron DeSantis (R).

    State Rep. Alex Andrade (R) filed H.B. 991 on Tuesday. The bill would make it easier to sue journalists, publications, or social media users for defamation if they accuse someone of racism, sexism, homophobia, or transphobia. The bill specifically says that publications can’t use truth as a defense when it comes to reporting on people’s anti-LGBTQ+ sentiments by citing the person’s “constitutionally protected religious expression or beliefs” or “a plaintiff’s scientific beliefs.”

    And the bill isn’t limited to professional journalists in scope – it affects anyone in public, including people on social media.

    Transgender Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic instructor Alejandra Caraballo called the bill “absolutely chilling.”

    “If someone calls you a fa***t or tra**y and you say they discriminated against you, they can now sue you for at least $35k and cite their religious beliefs,” she noted on Twitter. “This would apply to the internet as well. This would empower bigots to target the LGBTQ community with impunity.”

    “This applies to the internet as well so if the person is in Florida, you could be liable even if you have never stepped foot in Florida.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/02/...p-bill-passes/

    A Florida Republican introduced a bill that would make it easier for religious people to sue those who call them out as homophobic or transphobic, a bill built on a suggestion from Gov. Ron DeSantis (R).

    State Rep. Alex Andrade (R) filed H.B. 991 on Tuesday. The bill would make it easier to sue journalists, publications, or social media users for defamation if they accuse someone of racism, sexism, homophobia, or transphobia. The bill specifically says that publications can’t use truth as a defense when it comes to reporting on people’s anti-LGBTQ+ sentiments by citing the person’s “constitutionally protected religious expression or beliefs” or “a plaintiff’s scientific beliefs.”

    And the bill isn’t limited to professional journalists in scope – it affects anyone in public, including people on social media.

    Transgender Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic instructor Alejandra Caraballo called the bill “absolutely chilling.”

    “If someone calls you a fa***t or tra**y and you say they discriminated against you, they can now sue you for at least $35k and cite their religious beliefs,” she noted on Twitter. “This would apply to the internet as well. This would empower bigots to target the LGBTQ community with impunity.”

    “This applies to the internet as well so if the person is in Florida, you could be liable even if you have never stepped foot in Florida.”
    That sounds like Florida, and the issue is this guy has a higher than likely chance of becoming president

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    Someone mentioned Rick Santorum on Twitter, who I remeber as right wing abortion banning anti science Republican figure, and how he would look decidedly moderate in todays US politics.

    I had to look it up on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

    Pretty wild what less than 20 years can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Jiensai View Post
    Someone mentioned Rick Santorum on Twitter, who I remeber as right wing abortion banning anti science Republican figure, and how he would look decidedly moderate in todays US politics.

    I had to look it up on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

    Pretty wild what less than 20 years can do.
    Positions be damned, it's all about keeping the cameras and attention focused on you and you alone.
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    How to make kidnapping children totally legal: https://www.businessinsider.com/flor...ng-care-2023-3

    Florida courts could take 'emergency' custody of kids with trans parents or siblings — even if they live in another state

    Florida Senate Bill 254 would grant courts emergency custody of kids who receive gender-affirming care.
    The bill, introduced Friday, would also allow the courts to modify out-of-state custody agreements.
    The bill would grant officials authority under the law that protects kids from domestic violence.

    A proposed bill making its way through the Florida State Senate would allow the state "emergency jurisdiction" over children who receive or are "at risk of" receiving gender-affirming care — or if their parent receives it themselves.

    Senate Bill 254, introduced Friday by State Senator Clay Yarborough, would grant the court authority to take emergency custody of kids under the same statute that protects them from domestic violence and abuse.

    The state could take temporary custody of children if "it is necessary in an emergency to protect the child because the child, or a sibling or parent of the child" is "at risk of or is being subjected to the provision of sex reassignment prescriptions or procedures," according to the proposed bill text.

    The proposed bill defines sex reassignment prescriptions or procedures as hormone therapy, puberty blockers, and surgeries or procedures that "affirm a person's perception of his or her sex if that perception is inconsistent with the person's sex" at birth.

    The court would also be granted "jurisdiction to vacate, stay, or modify a child custody determination of a court of another state to protect the child from the risk of being subjected to the provision of sex-reassignment prescriptions or procedures," according to the proposed bill text. "The court must vacate, stay, or modify the child custody determination to the extent necessary to protect the child from the provision of such prescriptions or procedures."

    Representatives for Yarborough, who sponsored the bill, did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

    Alejandra Caraballo, a clinical instructor at Harvard Law School's Cyberlaw Clinic and former staff attorney at the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund, tweeted that the proposed law would allow "legal kidnapping" of trans kids and is part of a "full on war against trans people in the state of Florida."
    Trans kid? Kid can be stolen. Trans parent? Kid can be stolen. Not even a resident of the state, and just visiting? Doesn't matter, kid can be stolen.

    Technically, it's genocide, according to the UN.
    Definition
    Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

    Article II

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    Killing members of the group;
    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65000325

    On Saturday Mr Trump wrote on his social networking site Truth Social that "illegal leaks" from the Manhattan district attorney's office "indicate" he would be arrested on Tuesday.

    The district attorney's office has not yet commented. Mr Trump's lawyer, Susan Necheles, told the BBC's US partner CBS News that his post was "based on media reports".

    I think the man would look dashing in a orange jumpsuit, matches his tanning lotion.
    Why is it called earth, when it is mostly water???

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65000325

    On Saturday Mr Trump wrote on his social networking site Truth Social that "illegal leaks" from the Manhattan district attorney's office "indicate" he would be arrested on Tuesday.

    The district attorney's office has not yet commented. Mr Trump's lawyer, Susan Necheles, told the BBC's US partner CBS News that his post was "based on media reports".

    I think the man would look dashing in a orange jumpsuit, matches his tanning lotion.
    Meh, he's just stirring up shit only to be able to claim victory when he isn't put in chains next tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    How can they get away with terrorizing half the population?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
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    How can they get away with terrorizing half the population?
    Because no one is stopping them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    How can they get away with terrorizing half the population?
    Because no one is stopping them.
    Women make up so slightly over half the population, they can get away with this sort of thing until the first couple of generations directly affected reach voting age. Unless they can't be bothered to vote on in their interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
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    How can they get away with terrorizing half the population?
    Because no one is stopping them.
    Women make up so slightly over half the population, they can get away with this sort of thing until the first couple of generations directly affected reach voting age. Unless they can't be bothered to vote on in their interests.
    People have been saying that for decades. 42% of all women and 51% of married women voted for Trump in 2020.
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    Yeah I have no idea why people think this is some kind of "women will save us" shit when they have only come out from 10k plus years of intense oppression in the past 50 years, and even then ever so slightly and only in a sliver of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    42% of all women and 51% of married women voted for Trump in 2020.
    42% of women registered to vote, or just the ones who voted?

    Anecdotal, but growing up it was the older (born before WWII) women who spent the most energy trying to enforce patriarchal social norms. The men of equivalent age were generally only as bad as the boomers.

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    Who says the next generation of women in US will be able to vote anyway?

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