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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    literally jack

    what a tool lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    At some point Jack (and whatever other hardcore neoliberals still lurk here like Don) you are going to have to face the fact that the current predicament is entirely the fault of liberals, specifically the ones that advocated for economic neoliberalism which is a hard right economic ideology. They have driven the country, especially the 'white working class' directly into the waiting arms of fascists.

    Liberals pivoted to the right under Clinton and gutted the working class with NAFTA and the tough on crime bill (thanks Biden!) and countless other measures, in the UK a similar process took place with 'New Labour'. Bush stole the election. Then when Obama failed to deliver on any of his campaign rhetoric and instead bailed out wall street and banks while millions were thrown out of their homes with no relief, liberals acted shocked when rust belt states that were traditionally blue flipped red and went for Trump who at least pretended to give a damn about workers (he doesn't).

    And now Dems chose to run a senile corpse and a ruthless career prosecutor as their ticket. They are this fucking close to actually losing in November, it almost makes you think that's their goal. On top of that, every small business that gets burnt down, every car that gets vandalized by BLM protesters and anarchists (or agent provocateurs) is another vote for Trump in November. A few hundred sweaty purple haired skinnyfat genderless anarchists clashing with federal law enforcement in Portland is not a revolution and actions like that send normal people (you know, the ones you want to convince) directly into the arms of Trump or into not voting entirely.

    Seriously which way do you think it will go when the shoe drops? This is the country that flies F16s over college football games and worships soldiers, the country that brainwashes its kids to say the national anthem every single day. The country that literally has fasces and other fascist iconography all over the government. It's definitely not going to be Marxist, there's no Marxist presence in the USA worth addressing. BLM? Anyone organizing it will be rounded up and vanish into the vast prison industrial complex. The FBI already is doing that as we speak.

    The US is already an oligarchy, at best, it's entering a new authoritarian phase. At worst, it's now one short chain of events from becoming a fascist dictatorship with the support of enough of the population to make it work. I'd love to be wrong but so far, all of my predictions have come to pass.
    Whatever world you live in where I'm a neoliberal is a fucking delusional one at best. You're a tankienthat loves to spout garbage about failed communist uprisings that doomed socialist events to be bloodbath or crushed out of fear for a century. Praising brutal dictators because they said they were communist even though they were just moronic isnt a new stance. Being opposed to it doesn't make you neo liberal. I'm socialist and violently opposed to the US. Juat because you can't grasp reality doesn't change that. You seem so bothered by the concept of believing vlack people shouldn't be left to fuckong die while taking on capitalism. Apparently you used to live here, but ya don't anymore. You are more concerned about identity politics than anyone on the actual left I've conversed with. If anyone wants to not wait for all the poor white people to figure out they are being shit on by capitalism, they are a problem and should shut the fuck up and be prepared to get cleansed when the revolution comes right?

    Have fin experiencing this all from afar. If im a neoliberal your purity tests are beyond all comprehension

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    "Whatever world you live in where I'm a neoliberal is a fucking delusional one at best"
    You definitely are doing exactly what neoliberals want you to do.

    "you're a tankie"
    I'm more of a Zizekian

    "spouting garbage about failed uprisings"
    Like every anarchist movement ever? Yeah anarchists suck sorry. CHAZ sucked so badly it self purged! (violent words!!! )

    "Praising brutal dictators"
    Saying overthrowing Saddam, Assad, and Gadaffi were terrible ideas resulting in unfathomable human suffering is praising them now, nice liberal doublethink.

    "Violently opposed to the US"
    I really doubt that you are violently opposed to the US, unless by violence you mean words on the internet. And if you have actually committed violence acts during the protests you are most assuredly on a list thanks to the surveillance state and everyone carrying cell phones with them at all times now.

    "You seem so bothered by the concept of believing vlack people shouldn't be left to fuckong die while taking on capitalism"
    No, I have always maintained that a class first approach to build solidarity with the white working class is what is needed to overcome the current predicament. Instead, black lives matter exclusively focuses on the UNDENIABLY REAL PLIGHT of Black Americans and quite literally dismisses those of impoverished white americans living in trailer parks and the like. Yeah, that's a movement that will succeed! (Proudly sponsored by tech oligarchs I might add)

    I am concerned about identity politics because it has literally neutered and defanged the left, destroying any hope for equality in the future so long as it persists. The only thing it will result in is a more diverse managerial and ruling class. The material condition of the poor will remain unchanged.

    "If anyone wants to not wait for all the poor white people to figure out they are being shit on by capitalism, they are a problem and should shut the fuck up and be prepared to get cleansed when the revolution comes right?"
    The only revolution that's on the horizon is a Fascist overthrow of the US government, thanks to the fixation on identity politics and neoliberal economic policies.

    Have fin experiencing this all from afar.
    The fact that you think I enjoy what is happening is pretty sick and unhinged. Or was that irony?
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    Martin Luther King Jr, Class Reductionist. And why he took a bullet. He was assassinated less than a year after these words were published.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    "Whatever world you live in where I'm a neoliberal is a fucking delusional one at best"
    You definitely are doing exactly what neoliberals want you to do.

    "you're a tankie"
    I'm more of a Zizekian

    "spouting garbage about failed uprisings"
    Like every anarchist movement ever? Yeah anarchists suck sorry. CHAZ sucked so badly it self purged! (violent words!!! )

    "Praising brutal dictators"
    Saying overthrowing Saddam, Assad, and Gadaffi were terrible ideas resulting in unfathomable human suffering is praising them now, nice liberal doublethink.

    "Violently opposed to the US"
    I really doubt that you are violently opposed to the US, unless by violence you mean words on the internet. And if you have actually committed violence acts during the protests you are most assuredly on a list thanks to the surveillance state and everyone carrying cell phones with them at all times now.

    "You seem so bothered by the concept of believing vlack people shouldn't be left to fuckong die while taking on capitalism"
    No, I have always maintained that a class first approach to build solidarity with the white working class is what is needed to overcome the current predicament. Instead, black lives matter exclusively focuses on the UNDENIABLY REAL PLIGHT of Black Americans and quite literally dismisses those of impoverished white americans living in trailer parks and the like. Yeah, that's a movement that will succeed! (Proudly sponsored by tech oligarchs I might add)

    I am concerned about identity politics because it has literally neutered and defanged the left, destroying any hope for equality in the future so long as it persists. The only thing it will result in is a more diverse managerial and ruling class. The material condition of the poor will remain unchanged.

    "If anyone wants to not wait for all the poor white people to figure out they are being shit on by capitalism, they are a problem and should shut the fuck up and be prepared to get cleansed when the revolution comes right?"
    The only revolution that's on the horizon is a Fascist overthrow of the US government, thanks to the fixation on identity politics and neoliberal economic policies.

    Have fin experiencing this all from afar.
    The fact that you think I enjoy what is happening is pretty sick and unhinged. Or was that irony?
    Says the one who ran away.
    meh

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    How's your home country doing, Erich?

    AW is 100% spot on. The american left, or better said what's left of American non rightwingers is a joke. You now have a choice between the Democrat party (lol) and identity politics driven youth (lol). Have fun and good luck.

    Regarding the Supreme Court thing:

    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Says the one who ran away.


    arent you south african

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    How's your home country doing, Erich?

    AW is 100% spot on. The american left, or better said what's left of American non rightwingers is a joke. You now have a choice between the Democrat party (lol) and identity politics driven youth (lol). Have fun and good luck.

    Regarding the Supreme Court thing:

    He lays out the problem with the "just pass laws" solution in the first half of the segment. The modern court was designed to supplant Congress and many problems are now outsourced to them. They won't give up their status as an unofficial legislature without a fight.

    Congress technically has authority over the court and can set its jurisdiction, but it would be a massive shitshow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    How's your home country doing, Erich?
    Better than the US on covid, and our cops don't execute people in their own beds.
    meh

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    Cant die at 85 from covid if you died at 19 from aids

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    Gas thread
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    ITT Lief, a man who has become enthralled with right-wing youtube bullshit, and AW, who advocates for wiping out those that aid in revolution if they don't agree with the state, because fuck workers, just don't fuck them with capitalism, argue what the left should be when they aren't really leftists lol.

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    This thread is a perfect example of the clusterfuck that is unity among the left. It's like the spanish civil war but with 100% more autism

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    This thread is a perfect example of the clusterfuck that is unity among the left. It's like the spanish civil war but with 100% more autism
    I would like some 'donated' gold then, as compensation for reading this shitheap of a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    ITT Lief, a man who has become enthralled with right-wing youtube bullshit, and AW, who advocates for wiping out those that aid in revolution if they don't agree with the state, because fuck workers, just don't fuck them with capitalism, argue what the left should be when they aren't really leftists lol.
    more like disappointed at the retarded portions of the american left mate. Go project your bullshit on someone else.
    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Guys, take a breath. Calm your mantitties, and come back when you have something to say about the thread title instead of flinging feces at each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    ITT Lief, a man who has become enthralled with right-wing youtube bullshit, and AW, who advocates for wiping out those that aid in revolution if they don't agree with the state, because fuck workers, just don't fuck them with capitalism, argue what the left should be when they aren't really leftists lol.
    You're just making shit up at this point. It's an interesting worldview where all of your opponents are strawmen built in lies. Stay angry.

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    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/09...-the-election/

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ection-and.pdf
    “Bipartisan” Washington Insiders Reveal Their Plan for Chaos if Trump Wins the Election
    A group of “bipartisan” neoconservative Republicans and establishment Democrats have been “simulating” multiple catastrophic scenarios for the 2020 election, including a simulation where a clear victory by the incumbent provokes “unprecedented” measures, which the Biden campaign could take to foil a new Trump inauguration.
    Congress is preparing Measures to stop Trump if he tries to dispute the election. Good, the Empire requires a smooth transition of power to the next regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elriche Oshego View Post
    Gas thread
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    ^

    Always fun to check in after a while to see that absolutely nothing has been learned along the way.

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