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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Happy National Brotherhood Week, everyone!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...otherhood_Week

    I have a new song to learn for my Woody/Pete/etc setlist.

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    Jesus they're cranking these things out now

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-elites-decide

    Only a fraction of the Democratic primary electorate has voted so far, but the nomination season is off to a rocky start. Independent Bernie Sanders seems to be leading in popular votes, while upstart Pete Buttigieg is ahead in the delegate count.
    For decades, the conversation about nominations has been about the conflicts between party elites and everyone else. Today, that conversation is counterproductive. A better approach is to think about how voters and elites could best play their different roles: to make their political parties more representative while ultimately narrowing the nomination choice down to one person. And the best way to do that would be through preference primaries.

    Preference primaries could allow voters to rank their choices among candidates, as well as to register opinions about their issue priorities — like an exit poll, but more formal and with all the voters. The results would be public but not binding; a way to inform elites about voter preferences.
    Lol.

    "This fighting is so counterproductive, we can all have a role to play as insider and voter" (shut the fuck up peasant and get back to work)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    Not too surprising for a group that considers itself stuck picking the lesser of two evils all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas Quaan View Post
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    Not too surprising for a group that considers itself stuck picking the lesser of two evils all the time.


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    Anything interesting happen in the debate thing last night?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Anything interesting happen in the debate thing last night?
    Well... Warren called out Bloomburg for his claim that someone was a "horse faced lesbian" which is not something that you see in a Presidential debate very often.

    There's been a couple of pointed moments at debates before but this is the closest we've come to a serious slugfest with candidates finally realizing that their mediocre platitudes are gently wafting them into oblivion. The downside was that there was a lot of overtalking and the attacks rarely usefully illuminated actual policy differences. Sixty second answers to complex questions aren't conducive to serious discussion of course.

    Winners:
    Warren did well, Sanders held his own.

    Meh:
    Biden wasn't terrible, Pete and Amy bitched a lot.

    Looser:
    Bloomburg. Everyone swung at Bloomburg and he was clearly not ready to, for example, release all the women who have settled harassment claims against him from their gag clauses as was repeatedly suggested by Warren with others helpfully agreeing what a good idea that would be.

    Oh, yeah, someone might have mentioned Bloomburg supporting Bush. Stop and Frisk. Redlining. Being a billionaire, buying the election, etc.

    The last polls have Sanders at 24%, which is probbaly enough to win short of a lot of caucus shenanigans.

    Who ends up second is more open, especially as Reid might activate the strong Democratic machine in Vegas to put a thumb on the scales.

    I wouldn't be shocked if Warren came second, but it could be Biden, Buttigieg or Steyer(!?). They're polling at between 10-19% and the delegate cut-off is 15% so the bloodletting is going to be harsh for some.

    Will Amy make it to Super Tuesday?

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    mfw no matter who wins the primaries the vote will be for a very rich east coast democrat

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    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    Yes haven't you heard, he is a millionaire, and that is mostly same thing as a billionaire. Hell I have seen people call Berni an oligarch.

    Best thing we can hope for is that after 2022 mid terms GOP will not have sufficient majority in Senate to repeal the two term limit amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Anything interesting happen in the debate thing last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    He's a member of the 1%, and a member of the "millionaires and billionaires" he regularly references.

    Up to you to decide is that makes him "very rich", or just "rich" or some other descriptor.

    Also up to you to decide if that matter to you, and if so, how much.

    Not that most of you will be voting, of course.


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    oh hey it's warren talking sexism again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    He's a member of the 1%, and a member of the "millionaires and billionaires" he regularly references.

    Up to you to decide is that makes him "very rich", or just "rich" or some other descriptor.

    Also up to you to decide if that matter to you, and if so, how much.

    Not that most of you will be voting, of course.
    He's a class traitor then?
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    He's a member of the 1%, and a member of the "millionaires and billionaires" he regularly references.

    Up to you to decide is that makes him "very rich", or just "rich" or some other descriptor.

    Also up to you to decide if that matter to you, and if so, how much.

    Not that most of you will be voting, of course.
    Sure. That's true of literally any US politician: but there's a big difference between a millionaire and a billionaire. He also doesn't argue that millionaires shouldn't exist, but rather that billionaires shouldn't. Millionaires are so commonplace that they don't have the same distorting effects on the US economy or society as Billionaires.

    His whole shtick is "free enterprise is good, capitalism is largely good BUT keep it within limits that maximises the benefits to society".

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    Having a net worth of a couple of million is solidly middle class where I live. It doesn't even get you a house in some cities.

    Being a millionaire isn't what it used to be.

    E:

    The top 1% of household net worth starts at $10,374,030.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    He's a member of the 1%, and a member of the "millionaires and billionaires" he regularly references.

    Up to you to decide is that makes him "very rich", or just "rich" or some other descriptor.

    Also up to you to decide if that matter to you, and if so, how much.

    Not that most of you will be voting, of course.
    He's a class traitor then?
    No, since he works for a living as opposed to living off investments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    He's a member of the 1%, and a member of the "millionaires and billionaires" he regularly references.

    Up to you to decide is that makes him "very rich", or just "rich" or some other descriptor.

    Also up to you to decide if that matter to you, and if so, how much.

    Not that most of you will be voting, of course.
    Sanders is not a 1%er. His net worth puts him around the high-80th percentile, and his senate salary puts him in roughly the same place, into the low 90’s. Which seems reasonable given his age and history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sanders is 'very rich'?
    He's a member of the 1%, and a member of the "millionaires and billionaires" he regularly references.

    Up to you to decide is that makes him "very rich", or just "rich" or some other descriptor.

    Also up to you to decide if that matter to you, and if so, how much.

    Not that most of you will be voting, of course.
    Given a 40 year career in politics, salaries and pensions, a couple books, lots of speaking engagements, and he's only a single-digit millionaire? If he were even marginally less principled with that amount of experience and opportunity for favor trading and schmoozing, I'd expect him to be comfortably in the double digits at least. But his current estimated net worth actually puts him somewhere between the top 2-10% of households.

    I also know for a fact that he doesn't mind increasing his own taxes, which is what really freaks out the rich people that have dumped millions into every other candidate. So yeah, he has a lot of money relative to almost everyone who will vote for him, but that hasn't impacted his poilitics, which have been functionally the same since he was mayor of Burlington and basically had no money. In that way I wouldn't consider him a "rich person" inasmuch as that description carries a lot of connotations that don't apply here, but no one is under the illusion that he lives in an RV and eats instant noodles 3 meals a day.

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