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    Passive income itself is the problem. Here's a novel idea which conservatives seem to never fucking shut up about but don't actually believe in: working for your money instead of extracting surplus value and rents.

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    All this started when I told Keckers, who likes to tell people they're filthy boot-licking Capitalists, that he might consider that some of us might have less of a direct role in Capitalism than he does.
    I don't think I've ever called anyone a filthy boot licking capitalist. You don't even own any capital. Being fat isn't the show of opulent wealth it used to be.
    And if you are just a prole who has like 5,000 EUR savings and it's pre 2008 and you can get 5-6% on a savings bank account is that also evil passive income?
    Obviously not you fucking idiot.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    Indeed. If they were not-terrible at managing things (or at least putting on a show), they'd all be in the corporate world already and being paid far more, rather than needing to be a politician to get a leg up into the directorships.
    I'm pretty sure a lot of conservative MPs end up in politics because they aren't trusted anywhere near the family business.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    update obama for biden/harris and update the years and it's the same comic :wow:
    And?

    True leftists in USA have these choices:
    - vote Green or something similar and throw your vote away
    - don't vote (same effect as above)
    - protest vote for Trump (that worked great!)
    - vote for Democrats blindly expecting them to be more left in gratitude. Most people do this and imagine that, Dems are barely staying center and Overton window keeps shifting right.
    - vote for Dems but also be loud and active and primary then where possible and work again the party to move it left. Barely anyone tries this, those who do it are dismissed as sellouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    You missed the most powerful choice: walk away from it and grill
    Yes, much more useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Passive income itself is the problem. Here's a novel idea which conservatives seem to never fucking shut up about but don't actually believe in: working for your money instead of extracting surplus value and rents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    All this started when I told Keckers, who likes to tell people they're filthy boot-licking Capitalists, that he might consider that some of us might have less of a direct role in Capitalism than he does.
    I don't think I've ever called anyone a filthy boot licking capitalist. You don't even own any capital. Being fat isn't the show of opulent wealth it used to be.
    I guess that's the new one when he realized trying to make up how everyone called him a Nazi all the time didn't really work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    update obama for biden/harris and update the years and it's the same comic :wow:
    And?

    True leftists in USA have these choices:
    - vote Green or something similar and throw your vote away
    - don't vote (same effect as above)
    - protest vote for Trump (that worked great!)
    - vote for Democrats blindly expecting them to be more left in gratitude. Most people do this and imagine that, Dems are barely staying center and Overton window keeps shifting right.
    - vote for Dems but also be loud and active and primary then where possible and work again the party to move it left. Barely anyone tries this, those who do it are dismissed as sellouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
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    update obama for biden/harris and update the years and it's the same comic :wow:
    And?

    True leftists in USA have these choices:
    - vote Green or something similar and throw your vote away
    - don't vote (same effect as above)
    - protest vote for Trump (that worked great!)
    - vote for Democrats blindly expecting them to be more left in gratitude. Most people do this and imagine that, Dems are barely staying center and Overton window keeps shifting right.
    - vote for Dems but also be loud and active and primary then where possible and work again the party to move it left. Barely anyone tries this, those who do it are dismissed as sellouts.

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    The rich obviously

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    I... don't know where to put it so here it is.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inve...bious-science/

    Texas Rangers stop using hypnosis after Dallas Morning News investigation reveals dubious science
    Last year, The News revealed Texas officers continue to turn to hypnosis to investigate crimes, sending dozens of men and women to prison and some to their deaths.
    I... can't anymore...

    Last edited by Isyel; March 12 2021 at 03:51:37 PM.

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    You know when people in Europe say Americans are fucking idiots.

    This shit is why.

    You fucking idiots.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Something something defund the something.

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    Very WH40k of them. Mystic art policing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    You know when people in Europe say Americans are fucking idiots.

    This shit is why.

    You fucking idiots.
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    I would create a dragon made out of vaginas. Then I would create a dragon made out of dicks. Then I would have them fight to the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    You know when people in Europe say Americans are fucking idiots.

    This shit is why.

    You fucking idiots.
    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2016/03...ues-1-2591053/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
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    You know when people in Europe say Americans are fucking idiots.

    This shit is why.

    You fucking idiots.
    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2016/03...ues-1-2591053/

    Working with "blocked/repressed" memories didnt have a happy outcome in the 90īs over here.
    Basically ended up as reliable as witch-trials.

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    I can't think of a way this could be a good idea with good outcomes, rationally speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    I can't think of a way this could be a good idea with good outcomes, rationally speaking.
    that, is because you're not thinking with metrics.

    this is an amazing innovation, it can make the conviction rate go trough the roof!
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    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    So in more US news:

    https://crosscut.com/news/2021/03/co...justice-system

    Court’s drug possession ruling upends WA’s criminal justice system
    In the Blake decision, the Washington Supreme Court voided most drug possession cases in the state. The implications will be huge.
    In a narrow 5-4 decision, the justices agreed with Lechich’s second argument — surprising even Lechich. They ultimately concluded that lawmakers had been aware of the hole in the statute for many years, but decided not to change it. The whole law, therefore, was unconstitutional, meaning every case that involved drug possession must be reexamined.

    “The consequences do seem very large just because there are so many convictions for possession of a controlled substance,” said Lechich.

    The consequences of the ruling were immediate. Within hours, the Washington Association of Sheriffs & Police Chiefs put out a statement that law enforcement should stop taking any actions related to simple drug possession. Pending cases ought to be dismissed, they said, and warrants for people on simple drug possession should be voided. The Seattle Police Department said its officers would no longer confiscate drugs or arrest anyone for simple possession.

    “It is a very, very significant decision,” said Steve Strachan, executive director of sheriffs and police chiefs association.
    Actually big stuff in many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So in more US news:

    https://crosscut.com/news/2021/03/co...justice-system

    Court’s drug possession ruling upends WA’s criminal justice system
    In the Blake decision, the Washington Supreme Court voided most drug possession cases in the state. The implications will be huge.
    In a narrow 5-4 decision, the justices agreed with Lechich’s second argument — surprising even Lechich. They ultimately concluded that lawmakers had been aware of the hole in the statute for many years, but decided not to change it. The whole law, therefore, was unconstitutional, meaning every case that involved drug possession must be reexamined.

    “The consequences do seem very large just because there are so many convictions for possession of a controlled substance,” said Lechich.

    The consequences of the ruling were immediate. Within hours, the Washington Association of Sheriffs & Police Chiefs put out a statement that law enforcement should stop taking any actions related to simple drug possession. Pending cases ought to be dismissed, they said, and warrants for people on simple drug possession should be voided. The Seattle Police Department said its officers would no longer confiscate drugs or arrest anyone for simple possession.

    “It is a very, very significant decision,” said Steve Strachan, executive director of sheriffs and police chiefs association.
    Actually big stuff in many ways.
    Not as big as you might think. WA's drug possession statute is unique in the US in that it doesn't require a knowledge element. The legislature can "fix" this with a one-word amendment to the statute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So in more US news:

    https://crosscut.com/news/2021/03/co...justice-system

    Court’s drug possession ruling upends WA’s criminal justice system
    In the Blake decision, the Washington Supreme Court voided most drug possession cases in the state. The implications will be huge.
    In a narrow 5-4 decision, the justices agreed with Lechich’s second argument — surprising even Lechich. They ultimately concluded that lawmakers had been aware of the hole in the statute for many years, but decided not to change it. The whole law, therefore, was unconstitutional, meaning every case that involved drug possession must be reexamined.

    “The consequences do seem very large just because there are so many convictions for possession of a controlled substance,” said Lechich.

    The consequences of the ruling were immediate. Within hours, the Washington Association of Sheriffs & Police Chiefs put out a statement that law enforcement should stop taking any actions related to simple drug possession. Pending cases ought to be dismissed, they said, and warrants for people on simple drug possession should be voided. The Seattle Police Department said its officers would no longer confiscate drugs or arrest anyone for simple possession.

    “It is a very, very significant decision,” said Steve Strachan, executive director of sheriffs and police chiefs association.
    Actually big stuff in many ways.
    Not as big as you might think. WA's drug possession statute is unique in the US in that it doesn't require a knowledge element. The legislature can "fix" this with a one-word amendment to the statute.
    According to the article only for future cases though, it cant apply retroactively so lots and lots and lots of cases are going to need to be re-reviewed.

    What's more, even if lawmakers were to pass a new law tomorrow, a pillar of the legal system is that new laws cannot criminalize past behavior — which means there's no going back from Blake.
    Because the court found the whole statute unconstitutional, replacing it would mean passing an entirely new law. That new law could not apply retroactively, however, which means the Blake decision will have enormous impacts regardless of what the Legislature does.
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    That is fair, but that's the legislature's fault for writing a bad statute, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Not as big as you might think. WA's drug possession statute is unique in the US in that it doesn't require a knowledge element. The legislature can "fix" this with a one-word amendment to the statute.
    Pretty big for a lot of people over there still. I'm under no illusion there would be some massive change all over, mind.
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