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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
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    Isn’t it extremely unlikely that Derek Chauvin will recommit crime? Chauvin’s request makes sense from the point of view of prison reform and moving away from a punitive model.
    yea, funny how that only applies to police officers executing citizens on a livestream.
    Didn't he have previous before he murdered someone
    Among the many things he did that went beyond the norms for murder, yes, his past actions were a clear red flag for law enforcement work.

    Well, a red flag for a sane LE system, in the US he was an excellent cop for the system we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Trump shut down his blog after less than a month. Apparently, the readership numbers weren't bigly enough.
    Trump supporters would be outraged if they could read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
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    Isnít it extremely unlikely that Derek Chauvin will recommit crime? Chauvinís request makes sense from the point of view of prison reform and moving away from a punitive model.
    yea, funny how that only applies to police officers executing citizens on a livestream.
    Didn't he have previous before he murdered someone
    While working as a police
    Involved in three shooting incidents in his job.
    Had 18 noted complaints on his police record, including hitting a 14 year old black boy over the head with his flashlight (boy needed stitches) then holding him down with his knee for nearly 17 minutes, ignoring the boy's complaints that he couldn't breathe. Judge in his current murder trial hasn't permitted that fact as evidence though.

    While working as a nightclub bouncer while off duty
    Worked with George Floyd
    Owner of club describes his tactics as £overkill" and saying "Chauvin was unnecessarily aggressive on nights when the club had a black clientele, quelling fights by dousing the crowd with pepper spray and calling in several police squad cars as backup"

    Currently also charged with 9 counts of felony tax evasion, along with his newly divorced ex wife. Prosecutors state the couple under-reported their joint income by $464,433, including more than $95,000 from Chauvin's off-duty security work. The complaint also alleges failure to pay proper sales tax on a $100,000 BMW purchased in Minnesota in 2018, failure to declare income from Chauvin's wife's business, and improper deductions on a rental home.






    To sum up


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Are they seriously going to try to charge a 12 year old with felony attempted first degree murder? The people who should be locked up are the ones that left an AK47 and ammo outside of a gunsafe.
    How about simply locking up all of them?

    It's one thing to accidentically fire a round with the AK, and immediatly regretting it and dropping thaat thing. But firing at the police for 30 minutes? C'mon, a twelve year old does very well know what he's doing there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Are they seriously going to try to charge a 12 year old with felony attempted first degree murder? The people who should be locked up are the ones that left an AK47 and ammo outside of a gunsafe.
    How about simply locking up all of them?

    It's one thing to accidentically fire a round with the AK, and immediatly regretting it and dropping thaat thing. But firing at the police for 30 minutes? C'mon, a twelve year old does very well know what he's doing there.
    They're from a group home.

    You're talking about knowing better when most of these kids simply emote and act on their impulses. I'm sure they knew better, it just didn't matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Are they seriously going to try to charge a 12 year old with felony attempted first degree murder? The people who should be locked up are the ones that left an AK47 and ammo outside of a gunsafe.
    How about simply locking up all of them?

    It's one thing to accidentically fire a round with the AK, and immediatly regretting it and dropping thaat thing. But firing at the police for 30 minutes? C'mon, a twelve year old does very well know what he's doing there.
    Strong German empathy scenes

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    Do a thought experiment and imagine they were shooting at civilians then.

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    Civilians with immunity from the law? I mean these are kids failed by the system, you could I don't know, try to help them? Or just doom them to a life of misery by locking them up til they are in their 30s. Guess 12-15 year old kids are old enough. Should of just gassed them when they were abandoned right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Do a thought experiment and imagine they were shooting at civilians then.
    ok I've thought about it, what now?

    It wouldn't change how they were failed by the terrible child welfare system (this is in Florida btw) or how prison sentences for 12 year olds would only compound the losses already inflicted on society

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Do a thought experiment and imagine they were shooting at civilians then.
    ok I've thought about it, what now?

    It wouldn't change how they were failed by the terrible child welfare system (this is in Florida btw) or how prison sentences for 12 year olds would only compound the losses already inflicted on society
    The children are fascists, they shot at the freedom police, what aren't you getting?

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    They definitely seem to have had more balls and less brains than Jack.

    Shoot cops
    ???
    Profit I guess
    'muricah

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    Maybe they saw police gunning people down and just figured they weren't in trouble so they learned like kids do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Are they seriously going to try to charge a 12 year old with felony attempted first degree murder? The people who should be locked up are the ones that left an AK47 and ammo outside of a gunsafe.
    How about simply locking up all of them?

    It's one thing to accidentally fire a round with the AK, and immediately regretting it and dropping that thing. But firing at the police for 30 minutes? C'mon, a twelve year old does very well know what he's doing there.
    Oh boy.

    First of all, we wouldn't lock them up. And 12 year olds from group homes aren't typically the most adjusted people on good days. To be placed in such a home requires some serious shit having happened in their lives.
    nevar forget

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    Put those lads in uniform

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
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    Are they seriously going to try to charge a 12 year old with felony attempted first degree murder? The people who should be locked up are the ones that left an AK47 and ammo outside of a gunsafe.
    How about simply locking up all of them?

    It's one thing to accidentally fire a round with the AK, and immediately regretting it and dropping that thing. But firing at the police for 30 minutes? C'mon, a twelve year old does very well know what he's doing there.
    Oh boy.

    First of all, we wouldn't lock them up. And 12 year olds from group homes aren't typically the most adjusted people on good days. To be placed in such a home requires some serious shit having happened in their lives.
    Weve locked up kids before with murder charges

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

    Evil bastards deserved it too. There wasn't any winners but what can you do, cant have little hardened psychos running around in a society. Probably shouldnt have had their parents running around in society either though. IDK i mean its a shit sandwich

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    Put those lads in uniform
    Jobsagudn

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil edna View Post
    Put those lads in uniform
    I think they're over qualified
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Are they seriously going to try to charge a 12 year old with felony attempted first degree murder? The people who should be locked up are the ones that left an AK47 and ammo outside of a gunsafe.
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    Are they seriously going to try to charge a 12 year old with felony attempted first degree murder? The people who should be locked up are the ones that left an AK47 and ammo outside of a gunsafe.
    How about simply locking up all of them?

    It's one thing to accidentally fire a round with the AK, and immediately regretting it and dropping that thing. But firing at the police for 30 minutes? C'mon, a twelve year old does very well know what he's doing there.
    Oh boy.

    First of all, we wouldn't lock them up. And 12 year olds from group homes aren't typically the most adjusted people on good days. To be placed in such a home requires some serious shit having happened in their lives.
    We've locked up kids before with murder charges

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

    Evil bastards deserved it too. There wasn't any winners but what can you do, cant have little hardened psychos running around in a society. Probably shouldn't have had their parents running around in society either though. IDK i mean its a shit sandwich
    I was referring to Hel, who is German, about how we Germans wouldn't lock up 12 year olds.

    And yeah, lots of these cases are shit sandwiches. Around here it's a massive failure of the support institutions and education system, partially by faulty design, partially by underfunding, partially by understaffing due to the jobs being massively unattractive. Well intentioned democratic principles also make it hard to act decisively early on as well.
    nevar forget

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    It's not like Florida of any of the states is going to have a functioning care system for children. In a sane country that would become the focus of the conversation, in America its just about retribution.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Foster care/homes for abandoned children are an absolute shitshow all over the world m8

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