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    >implying US healthcare would handle covid better under clinton
    top fucking kek

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    >implying US healthcare would handle covid better under clinton
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    If you'd care to illustrate how trump improved it please elaborate. Otherwise it's just not something any sane person would assume.

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    Both parties believe you can't intervene in the market.

    Forceful intervention like economic planning, ordering hospitals/insurers to not charge patients, it's just unthinkable.

    I don't agree that she would've handled it the same. But it would've been a somewhat better kind of shitty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    economic planning
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    Indeed, Clinton's administration would no doubt have created a byzantine means-tested system explicitly engineered to maximize the amount of medical debt while at the same time making seeking treatment mandatory.

    of course, its less likely that she would have bungled the initial response and quarantine measures quite as hard as Trump did, though early opening of the economy would have been on the cards due to precisely the same pressures that is making trump pretend the pandemic is not real.
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    I mean would she of convinced nearly a third of the country it was a hoax and encouraged Americans to not wear masks? Its not just our Healthcare system, it's the fuxking insane personal behavior as well. Pretend all you want that itd be 200k dead under a centrist system, most democrats in power don't gladly sign off on that and show it as a positive. Id still be fucked finicially to a degree but when you live in Russia I guess you eat what you're fed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Both parties believe you can't intervene in the market. Forceful intervention like economic planning, ordering hospitals/insurers to not charge patients, it's just unthinkable
    The US under a republican president have used forcefull intervention and economic planning before (post WW2), so I don't know why you'd say it's unthinkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Both parties believe you can't intervene in the market. Forceful intervention like economic planning, ordering hospitals/insurers to not charge patients, it's just unthinkable
    The US under a republican president have used forcefull intervention and economic planning before (post WW2), so I don't know why you'd say it's unthinkable.
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    If Clinton were president, and had encouraged the populace to wash their hands, half would refuse in spite, so i dont see that it would have made much of a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Coutu View Post
    I mean would she of convinced nearly a third of the country it was a hoax and encouraged Americans to not wear masks? Its not just our Healthcare system, it's the fuxking insane personal behavior as well. Pretend all you want that itd be 200k dead under a centrist system, most democrats in power don't gladly sign off on that and show it as a positive. Id still be fucked finicially to a degree but when you live in Russia I guess you eat what you're fed.
    the Republican party in opposition would absolutely have done all that and more, the "deep red" states would have point blank refused to do anything except implement measures intented to maximize spread to make Clinton look bad in the upcoming election. there is a not unreasonable chance that the death count would have been equal or even higher in such a scenario because they would not have had to deal with Trumps narcissism to get the damage done.
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    Believe it or not, there are other countries in the world where Trump isn't president and the discussion/protests about wearing masks, shutdowns, economic damage vs covid bodycount, statistics, "muh freedom" etc takes place just the same. Retards gonna retard and the virus doesn't care either way if the prez is Dem or Rep.
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    How about those respirators Clinton would have seized from the states like Trump did. Totally would have been the same.

    Oh, wait, you're all totally full of shit, and it's safe to ignore whatever any of you think.
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    Is Trump also causing the new wave/spike in COVID cases in Europe too, or no? Would Clinton have caused the Euro spike too?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-...ns-11600940232

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=uxbndlbing


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    Yeah, I'm sure if Clinton was president, Americans would have been automatically healthier, not as fat, younger, eat better food and get more vitamin D and generally suddenly have cheap awesome medical facilities available to everyone all over the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Both parties believe you can't intervene in the market. Forceful intervention like economic planning, ordering hospitals/insurers to not charge patients, it's just unthinkable
    The US under a republican president have used forcefull intervention and economic planning before (post WW2), so I don't know why you'd say it's unthinkable.
    The US intervenes in the markets all the time. And our markets (especially in health insurance) are heavily regulated.

    We may not agree with the system itself, or the specific regulations, or other details, but the ongoing FHC fantasy that the US is some kind of unregulated pure Capitalist state that never gets involved in the 'invisible hand" of the market is just........yeah. Ideologues gonna ideologue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    We may not agree with the system itself, or the specific regulations, or other details, but the ongoing FHC fantasy that the US is some kind of unregulated pure Capitalist state that never gets involved in the 'invisible hand" of the market is just........yeah. Ideologues gonna ideologue.
    Capitalism has never been about free markets lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Both parties believe you can't intervene in the market. Forceful intervention like economic planning, ordering hospitals/insurers to not charge patients, it's just unthinkable
    The US under a republican president have used forcefull intervention and economic planning before (post WW2), so I don't know why you'd say it's unthinkable.
    If you read the entire post, I'm describing the mindset of each party right now, as they currently stand. All of that New Deal shit has been memory-holed, that's why it's unthinkable. In their mind you can't just exert government power over hospital corporations or simply tell manufacturers what to produce.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post

    The US intervenes in the markets all the time. And our markets (especially in health insurance) are heavily regulated.

    We may not agree with the system itself, or the specific regulations, or other details, but the ongoing FHC fantasy that the US is some kind of unregulated pure Capitalist state that never gets involved in the 'invisible hand" of the market is just........yeah. Ideologues gonna ideologue.
    One of the central premises of the ACA was offering better choices to the healthcare consumer (lol) so insurance companies would have to compete for these customers. In the market logic, more competition means prices would go down, lower prices means happier consumers. But we know the opposite has happened since the ACA went into effect

    The Netherlands and Switzerland have a similar system, where you are mandated to buy insurance. So where's the difference? Well, they regulate these insurance companies to death. They have a functioning civil service that can set price controls for procedures and plans. That's a little different from the mindset of "Well...the markets will sort it out"

    Nice try though!
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    Alistair thinks all of the neoliberalese in our laws is actual regulation instead of padding and regulatory carveouts for the 1,000 different interests who have influence in Congress

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